[SibSpi]

Re: Hello, I noticed that many of you don't understand evolution.

We enjoy sane posts by people as yourself. However you are mistaken.
The Bible says 6,000 years and God created everything. Have you ever witnessed this so called "evolving" in action?

So in other words you know nothing. You come in here shooting your mouth off at us True Christians when you really have zero to back yourself up with.

We have a book dictated by God. We have two thousand years of documented, irrefutable proof of the power of Christ and his wonderous miracles. You eviloutionists are a joke. Once you can explain to me how Christ walked on water or raised people from the dead I might take you a little more serious.

Ok, I find this all rather amusing.

If your god (yes, lowercase 'g') created the earth some 6000 years ago, where did dinosaurs fit into the picture?

If your god created adam, who went on to create lilith (yes, lilith, demon, whore, whatever), and eve in this so called 'garden of eden', tell me, where is the evidence to support the existence of this garden? Show me on a map where it is located.


You say the book was 'dictated by god'; As far as I'm concerned, it could have been written up by a man living out his years in a prison cell. Some pretty impressive novels have come from lifetime prisoners before.

You accept your bible as irrefutable proof of the existence of your god. You subscribe to all its laws, as vague as they may be. Some of your members go on to have direct references to passages in your bible, citing those as the laws of life. Let me list for you the things I've seen you people do in videos, that are in direct contradiction to what you say. (And don't you even DARE suggest that your god is going to forgive you for your actions, because it is in its service (yes, 'it', not 'he', not 'she', not 'god', just 'it')

1. Hypocrites: You guys are the biggest hypocrites I have seen in my life.
2. The Unforgiving: Judging someone to eternal damnation and forgiving them their trespasses are two separate actions. You can't follow the former with the latter, or you are suggesting they will not suffer eternal damnation. It's not even your place to judge them, it's your god's place to judge them.
3. Homosexuals: I've seen some devout christians who are homosexual. But wait, they're damned for eternity, right? Why bother being christian then? If they lead christian lives, bar homosexuality, shouldn't your god be hard-coding their brains to drive their ill begotten ways from their minds?
4. Romans 1:29: "Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers," You guys are full of unrighteousness, wickedness, debate, deceit and malice. To try deny these would for you to lie, another sin, as per your bible. You actively picket the burial processions of fallen soldiers; you are wicked and malevolent. You are hardly righteous through your basic defiance of your own religious laws. You are, right now, engaged in debate (the right thing for a 'true christian' would be to just suck it up and let people trample them, not argue the point).
5. Romans 1:30: "Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents," You are spiteful, you are proud and you boast. You are spiteful against those not of your church, that do not practise your ways. You are proud and boast of your self-proclaimed 'true christian' status.
6. Romans 1:31 "Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful" You are both implacable and unmerciful. You don't have mercy on those who's burials you picket, you judge them (unrighteously so) to eternal damnation. You are implacable, in that you can't be content to constrain your activities to your own group, you feel the need to damn everyone around you you judge unworthy, yet again, unrighteously so.
7. 1Corinthians 6:9 " Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind," Unrighteous as you are, you've all pretty much damned yourselves to hell, already. Great going. You are idolators; did your supposed jesus or god EVER, ONCE in your bible, which you claim is dictated by your god, ask you to idolise it? I'm fairly certain, having been forced to read through it several times myself, that neither your jesus or god did, once.
8. 1Corinthians 6:10 "Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God." You frequently revile anyone against your ways. Great going, yet again.
9. Revelation 21:8 "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." You are abominable. You lie. I hear NASA has specialised heat-shields that might protect your bottoms from those lakes which burneth with fire and brimstone (and maybe some tequila)


You've your own 'Pastor Ezekiel' to thank for all the above. It's in his own signature on these forums, after all.

You people are not quite so 'true' as you may believe yourselves to be. From what I've studied of your bible, during my time as a christian, I have met only one person who, from a third person perspective, it seemed subscribed in full to the 'laws' of your bible. He wasn't any of the above that I was aware of. He led a life of helping those who would try murder him in the street, if given the opportunity. He never once handed out judgment unto anyone, citing it as the will of god. He didn't even ever say that something was 'the will of god'. Whatever your god's silly whims and wills may be, ONLY YOUR GOD IS ALLOWED TO DECIDE WHAT THEY ARE, NOT A SINGLE ONE OF HIS LITTLE 'SHEEP'.


Anyway, I find you people rather pathetic. I'm an agnostic, myself. I'm just going to go through life trying to make it as comfortable for those around me that I would spend time with, regardless of whether it construes sinning or being devout to any given faith. If there's such a thing as a 'hell', chances are I'll be second in command down there, so I'll make sure to get you guys front-row seats on the rollercoaster down through the ninth gate.

[One-eyed Jack]

GodSpoons, your logic is not correct.

GodSpoons, I want to take on a few of your points for a moment if I may.

Most of what you write about causation is not logically tenable. If there is an omnipotent being which exists independent of time and external to our universe, then by virtue of His omnipotence He certainly can intervene in causality. Therefore an omnipotent being can be the Prime Mover, or the first cause in the creation of the universe.

Likewise, being external to the universe is not the same thing as non-existence. See, for example, the various multiverse theories of Hugh Everett, Andrei Linde and others; or 'brane theory. In these theories other universes exist, and though they are external to ours they may "touch" at some points and influence our universe. ('Brane theory hypothesizes that the momentary contact between our universe and another universe on a separate 'brane was the event astrophysicists call the Big Bang.) Gerardus Bouw, the self-titled "Biblical Astronomer", posits a "Throne of God" which is external to the universe, but from which God created and rules the universe. Again, it is omnipotence which makes this possible.

(Supernatural omnipotence is kind an ace-in-the-hole for God; since He can do anything, most arguments from causation, extra-universal non-existence, and so forth can be deflected simply by appealing to awesome supernatural powers.)

All that said, I am much in sympathy with your use of logic to approach the problem of God and creation. Many kudos for your effort!

The argument from perfection is problematic because we do not have a full understanding of God's history and psychology. If God is in fact timeless and all-knowing, we really can't understand His being -- mind, if He has a mind -- with our cheap, Sears-Roebuck human minds.

I guess in this context we really don't know what a "perfect" being would be like. Maybe perfection requires the externalization of some aesthetic drama involving the perfect being's complex psyche.

Then again, maybe God was just lonely. As the dynamic philosophical team Three Dog Night reminds us, one is the loneliest number.

This is a fairly long post. I'll follow it up in a minute.

~~ OEJ

[One-eyed Jack]

Continuation of reply to GodSpoons

If I may continue to bore you, GodSpoons:

I suspect the root problem here is the hypothetical failure of logic as a guide to reality.

I believe it was the Greek philosopher Parmenides who noted that logic cannot be used to prove that logic itself is a reliable guide to any Reality worth a capital "R". (A logical proof of the reliability of logic inevitably fails on grounds of self-referential circularity.)

For most pragmatic purposes people assume that logic does say something about Reality. But in the World of the Faithful, it is not assumed that logic adequately describes Matters of High Faith.

In other words, you can hit a Christian with a logical proof that would make that argumentative b*stard Socrates nod in agreement, and the Christian will just smile tightly and say, "That is not what my faith tells me, and so you are wrong."

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Once upon a time a great Christian king coveted the riches of a far-away kingdom. But he knew that the Bible condemns unjust war, and so he sought a justification for the invasion of that far-away kingdom. There were in his retinue certain unscrupulous men -- liars, thieves, spoonbenders, chicken-molesters -- and they presented him with falsified evidence that the distant country planned to attack the king.

Wise and clearseeing advisers told the king that the evidence was false, indeed that, logically speaking, it was laughable; but the king just smiled tightly and said, "That's not what my faith tells me, and so you are wrong." Thus the nation went to war based on faith instead of logic and evidence, and hundreds of thousands of innocent people lost their lives.

The point of this story is that faith-think has a very, VERY powerful influence in the world right now, this very instant.

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Often this dichotomy is cast as superstition versus science, because superstition is illogical while science relies on logic...although science, like logic, has to make an initial leap of faith: it assumes that the evidence actually says something about a some external reality.

Now then! Historically I think humans have used logic in very solid, very pragmatic day-to-day decisions. (Fire HOT yesterday, burn Moop's hand! Moop not put hand in fire today.) Where elements of chance or chaos obscure logical causality, magical thinking and superstition comes into play. (Lightning strike Moop's sister, smoke come out of her ears. Moop not know why lightning do that! Moop pray to god Gorblenok, maybe lightning not strike Moop.)

That pattern persists today, but it is overlaid with very powerful social constructs which encourage patterns of faith-think. I can go into that if you want; or you can Google terms like "Dawkins meme religion". Caution: you are probably damned to Hell just by looking these things up. God loveth not Google when it is used against Him.

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Evangelical part: Of course, Christianity stands outside and above all logic and all false faiths. There is one God, and we Christians know who He is!

Art thou not from everlasting, O LORD my God, mine Holy One? we shall not die. O LORD, thou hast ordained them for judgment; and, O mighty God, thou hast established them for correction. Habakkuk 1:12

Depart from us, O logic! Trouble us not, O rules of evidentiary science -- yea, science falsely so-called! For the proper science is the study of the Lord's creation, and not the denial of the Lord! Let not our Godly faith be troubled by the snares of Socrates, far less the doomclangers of Darwin and the dorkery of Dawkins!

Amen.

~~ OEJ

[gidalo]

Re: Hello, I noticed that many of you don't understand evolution.

ART THOU RETARDED?

[Talitha]

Re: Hello, I noticed that many of you don't understand evolution.

ART THOU RETARDED?

To whom do you refer?

[Wh1te p0w3r]

Re: Hello, I noticed that many of you don't understand evolution.

They are both true.

White people came from God.

Black people evolved from monkeys.

[Sauron]

Re: Hello, I noticed that many of you don't understand evolution.

Though no concrete proof exists for evolution with respect to the origin of species, you can observe evolution in action. The most common example is that of pesticide resistance. The reason why we have to keep developing new pesticides is because the insects keep developing resistances to them, but this doesn't happen magically. Because of genetic variation, a small percentage of insects are naturally resistant to a given pesticide. If you kill the ones that aren't resistant, that small percentage of resistant insects are the only ones that will reproduce, and then the entire population is resistant.

[RebelWithACause]

Re: Hello, I noticed that many of you don't understand evolution.

I noticed that when in a topic someone mentions evolution, most reactions quickly become agressive, but also uninformed. Believing in evolution doesn't necisarely mean God doesn't exist. God could have also created the first animals, wich later evolved into new animals.

One of the things angry people around here say, is that evolution happened in one or two generations (a.i., a monkey gave birth to a human.), wich is not what the evolution theory says. It says that slowly, over thousands of generations the monkey-race turned into humans.

The reason as to why animals evolve is also easily explainable. Example:
A group of rodents is split in two by an act of nature, for example a river. The two groups now can't mate with each other, and continue on on seperate ways. One group keeps living the same way as they did before, just finding random fruit and plants on the ground. The other group has more trouble finding the same food, and now has to dig underground for food. Over time the digging group gets better at digging and grows better claws. The other group just keeps living like they did before and evolve whatever is useful for that kind of lifestyle. This proces goes on until the two groups cannot mate with each other anymore, even if they were put back together anymore -> they are now two seperate species of animals.

Above stuff happening is a matter of luck, or to those of you that don't believe in luck, I guess it could be because of God wanting it. But seriously people, don't scream random jibberish all the time, it makes you look stupid.

Well, nice way to ban my account I guess. Cheers.

actually proto-apes, monkeys are a divergence off the human line, as are gorillas and babboons. Also the invverse is true, our species ancestors are a divergence of the monkey/great ape line.

[not_your_god]

Re: Hello, I noticed that many of you don't understand evolution.

Dont ban me, I want to have a talk with all of you.

First off, I feel sorry for how you "True Christian's" have no idea how to have an intelligent debate. Someone asks you a question that could possibly help their understand of the universe, evolution, and God. You completely deny the fact of evolution and dont think "well maybe it happened" So therefore you are narrowminded and cant possibly think for yourselves. And instead of helping them you simply throw false idea's at them and tell them to prove their points with fact. Which they do, but you still ingore and call them a demon. So let me ask you this...

What fact do you have that the bible is correct?

You suggest God gave divine dictation. So the bible was written by man, and man is liable to make mistakes. A simple mistake could be how we intrepret what the authors wrote down and what we think they mean. The bible was written thousands of years ago and with a complete different society and idealogy, the reference's in the bible back then could have a different meaning. But since you were born into this religion you automatically accept what you here and dont try to figure things out for yourself, therefore you are weak-minded. Since the bible was written by man and not directly from god, you people are fool's for follow its text word for word. You use it to make law's without intrepreting anything for yourself, instead you should use it as a guideline.

We have a book dictated by God. We have two thousand years of documented, irrefutable proof of the power of Christ and his wonderous miracles. You eviloutionists are a joke. Once you can explain to me how Christ walked on water or raised people from the dead I might take you a little more serious.

What proof? Show me this proof. And what are you talking about, Christ walking on water or raising people from the dead has no relevance to Evolution. So next time dont bring up something that has nothing to to with the topic.

God Himself gave us the Holy KJV1611 Bible.

God using divine dictation.

You say god handed us the bible, Sister Maria says god dictated it to us. Which one is it, two members of the same community have a different idea.



For us who believe in evolution, we have evidence such as fossil records, core samples, and carbon dating to understand how old the world is. Since your Bible was written by man.

How does he know the world is 6000 years old? Where is his proof?

Here is something simple to let you know the world is over 6000 years old.
Look at a map of the world, notice how if you put all the continents together they fit like a jig-saw. Tectonic plates are moving, always.. slowly but surely, at milla meters a year. And its not the devil doing it. Now if you do basic math, lets just take the length of the ocean, and work backwards.. You can see it takes WAY over 6000 years for those plates to move back to their original location. Easily from observing this, you can tell the world is older then you say it is.

If y'all read the amount of years lived by Adam, Methuselah, and such, you get the exact amount of years.
Have you ever read the bible, honey, or are y'all another like that Ultima silly thing?

Please quote where it says exactly how old Adam was in the bible and his offspring, and then tell me how you got an accurate number on how old the earth is. Have you ever read the bible? Your so silly you dont even know what your talking about.

Then I found the Lord, and now I live in a large, well heated house and when I leave it, I make sure I wear a good amount of furs modestly covering as much of me as possible, and I haven't had a cold in ages!

You might not have a cold, but there are poor little kids who do have colds. And since you have a good amount of fur, why dont you share some and help a little kid? Or is it just up to god to help keep that kid warm? Because God would want you to help someone. But no, you would rather just stay warm inside your big house that is probably too big for you. Instead of wasting money on a oversized house that could fit plently of people, move into a smaller house and donate that money you would have spent on your too-big-of-a-house towards a needy family. Bitch.

Sister Maria you also think your better then Nigra's and Indians. People were born into that race just as you were. So how could you judge someone who had no choice of their color? You ugly racist bitch. God wants you to be kind and caring to everyone.


Bobby-joe assumes that a child never exposed to religion will go to hell. But in the eyes of god all children are innocent. So your idea is wrong billy joe. How could God be so negative to someone who never even had the fair chance to understand religion like you? He could be the most kind, caring, loving person to his family and the world. He could have sacrificed his own body to save someone close to him, but yet since he doesnt know Jesus as his savior he will spend a eternity in hell.

That's rich coming from a troll who worships a queer video game invented by chinks.

I am a True Christian™ Pastor, and it is my duty to rebuke demons like you. Anything I say can be backed up with a little research on your part.

Wrong, your duty as a True Pastor is to spread the word of god, and the life and teachings of Jesus. You are not the hand of god who smites us down. Only God will deside our fate. And by the way you talk and think your better then most people by calling someone a chink, I think god will slap you in the face. He might let you in to heaven, but your going to stand in the corner with the rest of the dumbasses.

Every member on this website makes me sick. You force us to prove our facts with evidence, but you cannot do the same thing to prove your idea's. Hypocrits. Go watch more Joel Osteen on tv and say praise him for all his money he has and his giant golden globe he stands behind.

Which reminds me, I love how alot of churches try make things look fancy by WASTING money that could feed a random family. Go have service outside in the world that God gave you.

I was raised in a Christian family, and because of how narrow minded everyone of you is, it has pushed me away from the religion. I believe in god and believed he created everything through the process of evolution. And I might even believe in Jesus Christ. But I surely dont believe how you people can lecture back to us about nothing have no actual knowledge of. Just words from a book written by a imperfect human being.

[Mrs. Mary Whitford]

Re: Hello, I noticed that many of you don't understand evolution.

Dont ban me, I want to have a talk with all of you.

Instead of wasting money on a oversized house that could fit plently of people, move into a smaller house and donate that money you would have spent on your too-big-of-a-house towards a needy family. B***h.

You ugly racist b***h.

"Don't ban me, I want to have a talk with all of you." If you had stayed civil, there wouldn't have been an issue, but you couldn't even make it through one post without sin grabbing hold of you and making you type out obscenities.

I'll pray for you, but I'm also going to ban you. Goodbye.

[Ahimaaz Smith]

Re: Hello, I noticed that many of you don't understand evolution.

You completely deny the fact of evolution and dont think "well maybe it happened" So therefore you are narrowminded and cant possibly think for yourselves.

As opposed to all of the athiests and liberal Christians who deny the creation in six days instead of thinking well, it may have happened? Who does their thinking for them?

What fact do you have that the bible is correct?

Prophecy. There are many predictions in the Bible that nobody could have known 3,000 years ago, but that have come true (e.g., the formation of the State of Israel in 1948!).

Yet there is not a single case of a prophecy in the Bible that has proved false. What fact do you have that the Bible is incorrect? Name one prophecy that was wrong and I will concede that the entire Bible is garbage.

You suggest God gave divine dictation. So the bible was written by man, and man is liable to make mistakes.

The Bible was inspired by God. Surely God wouldn't go through the trouble of inspiring a book if he was just going to let it be corrupted by human hands. That's just illogical.

For us who believe in evolution, we have evidence such as fossil records, core samples, and carbon dating to understand how old the world is. Since your Bible was written by man.

I was a biologist before I was saved, so I do know a thing or two about the science (the shabby state of the evidence for evolution is one of the reasons that I was saved).

If you had a clue what you were talking about, you would know that even the secular geologists say that carbon dating is only useful to date samples back to 50,000 years, so no way can carbon dating prove the Earth is billions of years old.

The big problem with radiological dating generally is that it all assumes that the rate of decay of radioactive elements has remained constant. How can we possibly know that? Geiger counters have only been around for 100 years or so.

As for fossils, we don't deny that there are animals that went extinct. Many did in the Great Flood. Others have gone extinct more recently, e.g., the dodo (last seen by Pacific Islanders in the late 1660's) and the unicorn (last seen by the prophet Isaiah around 800 BC).

I'm not exactly sure what core samples have to do with the age of the Earth, could you please elaborate?

Look at a map of the world, notice how if you put all the continents together they fit like a jig-saw. Tectonic plates are moving, always.. slowly but surely, at milla meters a year. And its not the devil doing it. Now if you do basic math, lets just take the length of the ocean, and work backwards.. You can see it takes WAY over 6000 years for those plates to move back to their original location.

God created a single continent (what modern geologists call Pangea, though they are wrong about the timing by a billion years or so). That continent split apart into the several continents we see today when God opened the gates of the Earth to let the flood waters rise at the time of Noah. If there had been multiple continents back then, then how would Noah's sons have been able to collect the animals from the other continents? It would have been impossible.

How does he know the world is 6000 years old? Where is his proof? Please quote where it says exactly how old Adam was in the bible and his offspring, and then tell me how you got an accurate number on how old the earth is. Have you ever read the bible? Your so silly you dont even know what your talking about.

Yes, we have read the Bible. Have you? If so, then why do you need us to point this out to you?

And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died. And Seth lived an hundred and five years, and begat Enos: And Seth lived after he begat Enos eight hundred and seven years, and begat sons and daughters.... Genesis 5:5

James Ussher added up all of the generations in the Bible, and came up with creation starting on October 23, 4004 BC. He published his results in a massive work, The Annals of the World, in 1658. It's all set forth there in great detail. What part of his argument do you disagree with?

Anyway, it's very clear from the Bible that the Earth is nowhere near four billion years old:

So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations. Matthew 1:17

And since you have a good amount of fur, why dont you share some and help a little kid?

Surely you're not saying we have the resources to save the poor from their lot. Jesus did not mean for us to spend all of our time or all of our money on the poor: For ye have the poor with you always, and whensoever ye will ye may do them good.... Mark 14:7

Bitch.

You aren't a Christian, you are a mysogenist bigot, and I'm sure you will be banned momentarily. You're just like all of the other people who, knowing that they have no evidence to back up their arguments, resort to name calling. Sister Mary Maria is one of the kindest persons I know. You, obviously, are not.

But in the eyes of god all children are innocent.

How do you know that? That's not what the Bible says.

Go watch more Joel Osteen on tv and say praise him for all his money he has and his giant golden globe he stands behind.

Joel Osteen is a con man who makes his money by convincing poor people that the way to become rich is to send their money to him. He doesn't save souls, he saves receipts.

I was raised in a Christian family, and because of how narrow minded everyone of you is, it has pushed me away from the religion.

It sounds like your real problem is with God and the Bible, not with us.

[Roger_Clark_Smith]

Re: Hello, I noticed that many of you don't understand evolution.

I've noticed many insults and mindless arguing and very little thoughtful debate in this thread.

I would like to address one point that many Christians like to make about evolution. The first point is that it can't be seen. Which is correct, Evolution does not just happen in an instant. This process takes million of years to develop and finalize. Evolution is a change in the inherited traits of a population from one generation to the next. Of course, none of us live long enough to observe this process begin and finish, yet we can look back. This a list of fossils found that seem to have a relation to primates and to modern-day humans: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ominin_fossils

I understand many of you will disagree with my statement of evolution taking millions of years, as you believe the earth is 6,000 years old. Yet, there is much evidence supporting the idea of the earth being AT LEAST 4 billion years old. I see no evidence of the Earth being 6,000 years old.

The other point I am seeing quite frequently is the fact that evolution is a theory. That is correct, it is a theory, but that doesn't make it completely wrong. Gravity is a theory, it is not a law, does that make it wrong? Gravity used to be considered a law yet when Black Holes were discovered, the same Law of Gravity does not apply to them so it is no longer a law. A scientific theory is not 100% yet to have it be a theory is must be accepted by most of the scientific community, which it is. New evidence of Evolution is being found all the time, so it cannot be made a law quite yet.

Also, I see many of you will put the burden of proof on those supporting Evolution. Yet, when they bring in some facts then you completely shoot them down with no facts at all to back your statements. Yes, I do not believe in God, but I am not narrow-minded and if someone can bring a good, supported argument backed up with evidence, then I will be glad to listen.

[One-eyed Jack]

Re: Hello, I noticed that many of you don't understand evolution.

I posted in another thread to explain the Creationist view that it is impossible to distinguish a newly-created but ancient-appearing Earth from a genuinely ancient one. See this post: http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showp...90&postcount=5

As to positive evidence for creationism, it is very difficult to see how the actions of God could be documented in the fossil record if His intent was to create an ancient-seeming world right from the get-go. If He intended to hide his fingerprints and make the world natural-seeming, then -- being of course omnipotent -- He could do it.

As with much in Christian theology, the faithful believe creationism because, well, we are the people of faith! The people of reason are across the room examining fossils and checking isotopic ratios.

So to speak.

If you want more discussion I will oblige if I can...but read the post linked above to get an idea of what you deal with when you deal with Christian faith in creationism. Please.

Very tired and ready to drift off to sleep in the arms of Jesus,

~~ OEJ

[Sauron]

Re: Hello, I noticed that many of you don't understand evolution.

For those who don't know how carbon dating is based, it is based off differential equations which give closed-form solutions that are exact unlike contrived models. Even if some scientists claim that it's only useful dating up to 50000 years, there are more ways than one to determine the age of something. Tidal rhythymites show how quickly the tides rose and fell, or how long the day was. We know that the Earth originally had a 6-hour day and has been steadily slowing. This slowing rotation can be measured by how fast the Moon's orbit is widening every year, which is not slowing.

[Enigmatic Harpo Marx]

Re: Hello, I noticed that many of you don't understand evolution.

OEJ:

I understand the point you are trying to make in the link you posted, but I fail to see what God's motive would be.

You make a reference to the Earth as an 18 year old kid and that God had to give him memories but I really don't see why God would need to make him that age in the first place. Why couldn't God just start the earth, better yet the whole universe, from the beginning. Why all the alleged nonsense about making a deceptive past for us? It seems like a whole lot of wasted energy if you think about it. If God did create the world from the beginning then evolution and all of its the fossil records and corbon dating that go along with it would be true. Then it would take even more faith than you Christians have now to believe in God since the scientists would be right.