[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Earth, created PERFECTLY for us.

We evolved perfectly for Earth. And we're not in the centre. Earth has a slightly eccentric orbit and our orbit varies by 3 million miles. People can survive at an altitude of 16,000 feet where the air is only half as thick. If there as longer or shorter days Humans would adapt to fit the requirements, also 30 hours is not that big a difference. Gravity could vary slightly and we would still thrive. Also most of the water on Earth is salt water which we cannot drink. Your idea just got shot down. Stay sane

You mean we were created perfectly for Earth, dear. By your logic, we could evolve to live on Mars because humans would adapt to fit the requirements.

But the truth is we were created to exist on a planet created perfectly for us!

[Mars Survivor]

Re: Earth, created PERFECTLY for us.

Now dumb atheists tell us that everything just happens by accident, but you only have to look at Earth to see how foolish this view is. Earth is created PERFECTLY for us. This could not be just chance.

We need water to survive. Earth is covered in water. We cannot see anything else in the firmanent that has the water we need.

The air mixture is perfectly tuned to match our lungs. A slight difference and we would die.

Intelligent pulling (or gravity) is perfectly adjusted so we are not a bloody puddle on the floor or floating into the firmanent.

The Sun orbits us at exactly the right distance to keep us comfortable. If it was 700 miles away the Earth would be a frozen wasteland.

The Sun orbits us in 24 hours. The exact time period we need to match our sleep patterns. Can you imagine the havoc if it was a 30 hour day. One day you would be waking as the Sun rises, a few days later you would be waking and going to work in in the late afternoon. A few days later you would be going to work at Sunset. But no, it PERFECTLY tuned for us.

Atheists may scoff but I will ask you this question. You say that space goes on for infinity in any direction you travel. Up =infinity, down= infinity, left= infinity, right= infinity. So even with the false secular view of things we are EXACTLY IN THE CENTRE! Is this just chance as well???

I couldn't be an atheist, I haven't got that much faith,

YIC

Jack.

(feel free to add other examples of how God has fined tuned Earth just for us)

We evolved perfectly for Earth. And we're not in the centre. Earth has a slightly eccentric orbit and our orbit varies by 3 million miles. People can survive at an altitude of 16,000 feet where the air is only half as thick. If there as longer or shorter days Humans would adapt to fit the requirements, also 30 hours is not that big a difference. Gravity could vary slightly and we would still thrive. Also most of the water on Earth is salt water which we cannot drink. Your idea just got shot down. Stay sane

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Earth, created PERFECTLY for us.

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Amen, friend!

The Bible talks about the sun going up, going down, and sitting still (Joshua 10:13, for a whole day!!!), but it never mentions any nonsense about the Earth spinning around.

Can you imagine? We'd be as dizzy as a meth temptress on a Tilt-A-Whirl.



Yours in Christ,

Z. Smyth

The Bible does describe the sun arising & the sun going down Ecclesiastes 1:5 but does not mention any orbit. After going down the sun is described as hastening back to the place of rising.

The firmament is a solid structure holding the waters above in check (except when God opens the windows in the solid dome he made to flood the earth)

GENESIS 1:6-8 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters: and let it diuide the waters from the waters. And God made the firmament; and diuided the waters, which were vnder the firmament, from the waters, which were aboue the firmament: and it was so. And God called the firmament, Heauen: and the euening and the morning were the second day.
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NOTE: NOT ..and Noah called the firmament OR ..and Rudyard Kipling called the firmament OR ..and Queen Esther called the firmament

GOD named the firmament.
GOD made the firmament.
GOD knows what it is.

W A T E R S . . A B O V E

W A T E R S . . B E L O W

GENESIS 7:11,19-20 In the sixe hundredth yeere of Noahs life, in the second moneth, the seuenteenth day of the moneth, the same day, were al the fountaines of the great deepe broken vp, and the windowes of heauen were opened...And the waters preuailed exceedingly vpon the earth, and all the high hils, that were vnder the whole heauen, were couered. Fifteene cubits vpward, did the waters preuaile; and the mountaines were couered.
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NOTE: the firmament HAS WINDOWS IN IT — like THIS:

THE EARTH DOES NOT MOVE

I SAMUEL 2:8 He raiseth vp the poore out of the dust, and lifteth vp the begger from the dunghill, to set them among princes, and to make them inherit the throne of glory: for the pillars of the earth are the Lords, and hee hath set the world vpon them.
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PSALM 104:5-6 Who laid the foundations of the earth: that it should not be remoued for euer. Thou coueredst it with the deepe as with a garment: the waters stood aboue the mountaines.
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God explains how, after he had made fruit trees and grasses, he made the sun and fixed it in the solid firmament.

NOTE: the sun DID NOT EXIST before flowering plants were created (fruit trees were made first: the sun was made later on)

it is NOT above the firmament
it is NOT floating somewhere in the waters being held back by that solid dome
it is NOT in the "outer space" of mythology. The Bible tells us that:

GENESIS 1:12-17a,19 ..the earth brought foorth grasse, and herbe yeelding seed after his kinde, and the tree yeelding fruit, whose seed was in it selfe, after his kinde: and God saw that it was good. And the euening and the morning were the third day. And God said, Let there bee lights in the firmament of the heauen, to diuide the day from the night: and let them be for signes and for seasons, and for dayes and yeeres. And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heauen, to giue light vpon the earth: and it was so. And God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the starres also.
And God set them in the firmament of the heauen...And the euening and the morning were the fourth day.

. . . . . . . . . .


The word orbit is not found in The Bible.

[ChristWithinYou]

Re: Earth, created PERFECTLY for us.

Can you imagine? We'd be as dizzy as a meth temptress on a Tilt-A-Whirl

The thought alone makes me feel dizy! But it seems like another atheist crumbles before the Lord's Word! First one for me in this forum. Seems so weird to think that I was like that once but not a day goes by that I don't thank our Lord Jesus Christ for awakening me and showing me His eternal truth!

YiC

Daniel

[Zechariah Smyth]

Re: Earth, created PERFECTLY for us.

Maybe you should have a look at THIS, especially experiment number 1 to see how stupid your idea of a spinning earth really is.
And again, show me where in the Bible it says that the earth is spinning.

Amen, friend!

The Bible talks about the sun going up, going down, and sitting still (Joshua 10:13, for a whole day!!!), but it never mentions any nonsense about the Earth spinning around.

Can you imagine? We'd be as dizzy as a meth temptress on a Tilt-A-Whirl.



Yours in Christ,

Z. Smyth

[ChristWithinYou]

Re: Earth, created PERFECTLY for us.

Ask yourself whether it would look different to us if we spun around our own axis? By using you own eyesight you could not conclude either way (Geocentric or Heliocentric), but luckily for us there are other ways to observe this, or rather, how to arrive at this conclusion. Kepler laws and and the accountability of gravity are some ways.

Maybe you should have a look at THIS, especially experiment number 1 to see how stupid your idea of a spinning earth really is.
And again, show me where in the Bible it says that the earth is spinning.

[Zechariah Smyth]

Re: Earth, created PERFECTLY for us.

Oh well I suppose I will take my leave... Christians who do not even desire to defend their beliefs or assertions are of no interest to me . However, whether you like it or not, the opposition will always be there slowly but surely eroding away the religious institutions which people like you so carefully guard. People are slowly awaking to the light of reason. Again, censorship is not a response, but an act of cowardice (regardless of what the rules state).




"In a time of Universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act!"
-George Orwell

You do realize that censorship is not possible in a private setting, right? That is a governmental function.

Oh, and George Orwell was a sodomite.



Yours in Christ,

Z. Smyth

[Josue Pineiro]

Re: Earth, created PERFECTLY for us.

Is it really observable though? As many of your kind have been asked in this forum before: Have you actually observed it to be as you claim it is? With your own eyes? Have you been to space?
Didn't think so.
I tell you what is observable: The fact that the sun rises in the East and sets in the West. And what about that talk of geocentric "theory"? How about geocentric FACT?

Psalms 93:1 The Lord reigneth, he is clothed with Maiestie, the Lord is clothed with strength, wherewith hee hath girded himselfe: the world also is stablished, that it cannot be moued.



Can you provide proof in Scripture about your hypothetical civilisation? Did I miss the bit in Genesis where God creates little green men on the eighth day?



No, I'd rather not. Your so-called 'alternative' is a train of thought straight to Hell. I've been on this train before and I'm glad to have managed to jump off before it was to late for my soul.
Also, how does GOD fine-tuning the Earth for us constitute an alternative the, as you foolishly call it, GOD hypothesis? That's like saying not believing in God is an alternative for atheism. Bit stupid, don't you think?

Ask yourself whether it would look different to us if we spun around our own axis? By using you own eyesight you could not conclude either way (Geocentric or Heliocentric), but luckily for us there are other ways to observe this, or rather, how to arrive at this conclusion. Kepler laws and and the accountability of gravity are some ways.

[Josue Pineiro]

Re: Earth, created PERFECTLY for us.

Oh well I suppose I will take my leave... Christians who do not even desire to defend their beliefs or assertions are of no interest to me . However, whether you like it or not, the opposition will always be there slowly but surely eroding away the religious institutions which people like you so carefully guard. People are slowly awaking to the light of reason. Again, censorship is not a response, but an act of cowardice (regardless of what the rules state).




"In a time of Universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act!"
-George Orwell

[ChristWithinYou]

Re: Earth, created PERFECTLY for us.

However, you make a grave mistake by stating that the sun revolves around us. The exact opposite is a fact. Heliocentric theory is an observable fact. I will assume that you made a simple error, and not that you really believe in the geocentric theory. Everything else in this paragraph is correct (though the earth takes more or less than exactly 24 hours to spin in its own axis).

Is it really observable though? As many of your kind have been asked in this forum before: Have you actually observed it to be as you claim it is? With your own eyes? Have you been to space?
Didn't think so.
I tell you what is observable: The fact that the sun rises in the East and sets in the West. And what about that talk of geocentric "theory"? How about geocentric FACT?

Psalms 93:1 The Lord reigneth, he is clothed with Maiestie, the Lord is clothed with strength, wherewith hee hath girded himselfe: the world also is stablished, that it cannot be moued.

As for the centrist view of earth, this is an error in observation. Imagine if you would a different civilization at the edge of our galaxy looking at the infinite in all directions. From their perspective they would arrive at the same incorrect conclusion that you did, that they are at the center. The truth is that the infinite has no center. Think about it this way, 1,000 is no more closer to the infinite than 1 is.

Can you provide proof in Scripture about your hypothetical civilisation? Did I miss the bit in Genesis where God creates little green men on the eighth day?

Therefore, you have postulated unintended, I imagine, an alternative to the God hypothesis. Follow me on this train of though if you would

No, I'd rather not. Your so-called 'alternative' is a train of thought straight to Hell. I've been on this train before and I'm glad to have managed to jump off before it was to late for my soul.
Also, how does GOD fine-tuning the Earth for us constitute an alternative the, as you foolishly call it, GOD hypothesis? That's like saying not believing in God is an alternative for atheism. Bit stupid, don't you think?

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Earth, created PERFECTLY for us.

"A long wetback rant?" Now that is rich! I suppose that you came up with that by yourself? No, it was not a rant. It was just a counterpoint, another hand to clap with. Am I to suppose that you do not like inquiry? BTW censorship is not a response, rather a form of cowardice.

First of all, this is NOT a debate forum. Please read THIS thread before making an even bigger fool of yourself.

Secondly, while the internets might seem to be "free" to you, this particular corner of the internets is a privately owned Christian forum. The rights you have on this forum are listed HERE. Please contact a Pastor immediately if you feel that any of your rights have been violated.

Finally, your unsaved opinions or tantrums are not even slightly of interest to us. We follow the Holy Word of God TO THE LETTER, and make no apologies for that. One of the most important commandments in the Bible tells us to avoid unsaved scum such as yourself. You wandered in here uninvited, and unwelcome .

If you want to debate people, THIS is the place to go.

Please make a thread of your own in the "Introductions" section of the forum, so that we can properly greet you. Tell us about yourself, your church, and how you came to find Jesus.

And if you're here to flame us, better take a look at THIS before making an even bigger ass out of yourself.

I will pray that the Holy Spirit enter you and chase the demons out of your rectum and let Jesus fill you with His Grace. If you use your God-given free will to reject Christ and His temporary death on the cross for my sins, then you are sending yourself to hellfire.

[Josue Pineiro]

Re: Earth, created PERFECTLY for us.

"A long wetback rant?" Now that is rich! I suppose that you came up with that by yourself? No, it was not a rant. It was just a counterpoint, another hand to clap with. Am I to suppose that you do not like inquiry? BTW censorship is not a response, rather a form of cowardice.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Earth, created PERFECTLY for us.

..Long wetback rant deleted....

Hey boy, we aren't hiring any gardeners. You're too late. Come back next Spring and we might have work for you.

[Josue Pineiro]

Re: Earth, created PERFECTLY for us.

Now dumb atheists tell us that everything just happens by accident, but you only have to look at Earth to see how foolish this view is. Earth is created PERFECTLY for us. This could not be just chance.

We need water to survive. Earth is covered in water. We cannot see anything else in the firmanent that has the water we need.

The air mixture is perfectly tuned to match our lungs. A slight difference and we would die.

Intelligent pulling (or gravity) is perfectly adjusted so we are not a bloody puddle on the floor or floating into the firmanent.

The Sun orbits us at exactly the right distance to keep us comfortable. If it was 700 miles away the Earth would be a frozen wasteland.

The Sun orbits us in 24 hours. The exact time period we need to match our sleep patterns. Can you imagine the havoc if it was a 30 hour day. One day you would be waking as the Sun rises, a few days later you would be waking and going to work in in the late afternoon. A few days later you would be going to work at Sunset. But no, it PERFECTLY tuned for us.

Atheists may scoff but I will ask you this question. You say that space goes on for infinity in any direction you travel. Up =infinity, down= infinity, left= infinity, right= infinity. So even with the false secular view of things we are EXACTLY IN THE CENTRE! Is this just chance as well???

I couldn't be an atheist, I haven't got that much faith,

YIC

Jack.

(feel free to add other examples of how God has fined tuned Earth just for us)

You are correct by stating that we need water to survive and in the observation that earth (most of it) is covered by water. You are, however, incorrect in stating that nothing in the observable universe has water. To point to some examples, the Galilean moons (some of them) are though to have water; Other bodies like: Rhea, Titania, Oberon, Triton, Pluto, Eris, Sedna, and Orcus are also though to have water under their surface.

You might be correct in stating that the oxygen ratio is perfect (well, good enough) to match our lungs. And that in gravity keeps us “planted” on earth.

You are also correct in writing that “the Sun orbits us at exactly the right distance to keep us comfortable.” And in the following conclusion: “if it was 700 miles away the Earth would be a frozen wasteland.”

However, you make a grave mistake by stating that the sun revolves around us. The exact opposite is a fact. Heliocentric theory is an observable fact. I will assume that you made a simple error, and not that you really believe in the geocentric theory. Everything else in this paragraph is correct (though the earth takes more or less than exactly 24 hours to spin in its own axis).

As for the centrist view of earth, this is an error in observation. Imagine if you would a different civilization at the edge of our galaxy looking at the infinite in all directions. From their perspective they would arrive at the same incorrect conclusion that you did, that they are at the center. The truth is that the infinite has no center. Think about it this way, 1,000 is no more closer to the infinite than 1 is.

Now for the refutation of your “fine tuning proves God” conclusion. First thing to point out is that the fine tuning argument, or anthropic principle is an *alternative* to the God hypothesis. In the case of the goldilocks zone you have at least two possibilities: First that God placed earth in the Goldilocks zone (God hypothesis) or that this is one of the few (perhaps?) planets in the Universe that managed, by natural means, to settle in a goldilocks zone and as a consequence evolved life; The conditions, however unlikely (after all most planets are not found in goldilocks zones), were met and here we are raising the question (This is the anthropic principle/ fine tuning principle: we are here because the conditions are right).

Therefore, you have postulated unintended, I imagine, an alternative to the God hypothesis. Follow me on this train of though if you would: Here we find beings that need water, gravity, a right temperature, and other things to exist, found in a planet that meets the exact requirements for their existence. We could assume that they were put here by a caring being, or created by a curious being with good intentions. But we can, now, also assume in contrast that these conditions (the ones already existing on the planet) could have allowed for a certain type of life to evolve (the one that we observe), the conditions being right for the improbable to happen.

It is also equally correct to point out, as you have done, that these conditions also allow for earth-quakes, viruses, Tsunamis, Hurricanes and many other calamities here on earth to exist. Our placement in the solar system also puts us at a high risk for asteroid impact, and solar flares. Earth is a relative safe place to live, with a high death toll among humans due to natural causes, like the ones mentioned above, that befall the criminal as well as the innocent, the adult as well as the child. So, be careful at arriving at a conclusion with the notion of what you are trying to prove already grabbed in one hand, you may not like what lies at the end of the analyses.

[ChristWithinYou]

Re: Earth, created PERFECTLY for us.

He has made snakes to kill wicked people:

JOB 20 4-5;16
4 Knowest thou not this of old, since man was placed vpon earth,
5 That the triumphing of the wicked is short, and the ioy of the hypocrite but for a moment? …
16 He shall sucke the poison of Aspes: the vipers tongue shall slay him.
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cf ACTS 28 3,5
3 And when Paul had gathered a bundle of stickes, and layde them on the fire, there came a Uiper out of the heat, and fastened on his hand. …
5 And hee shooke off the beast into the fire, and felt no harme.
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And he put the worst ones with the nigras in Africa and Austarlia. He even made it so that we would be able to make anti-venoms, for the ways of the heathens are wicked and twisted and they would bring their snakes to us but the Lord has seen to it that they wouldn't be able to afford the cure. Not only for snakebites but for pretty much everything. No wonder that monkey president Obama is after free healthcare so much. He just wants to help his people get what isn't theirs.

Praise be Jesus Christ now and forever!

YiC
Daniel