[Brother Helge]

Re: Water Proves Atheism is False!

Again why have Jesus birthday on a pagan holiday when he wasn't even born in December?

And how do you know that Jesus wasn't born in December?
The Bible doesn't tell us what date precisely that baby Jesus was born, but the Apostles and the disciples would have known for sure, so I have no reason to doubt that He in fact was born in December.

[Carl the wop]

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"Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots." - Luke 23:34

[Pastor Ed Lowman]

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Oh man, ignorance must be bliss for you retarded sheep.

Your god is a pathetic piece of shit...... You're all cowards who fear anything different than you. So you grasp any hate mongrel straws you can.....

To live in a world where you so blatantly deny the obvious. You can't even explain your own hypocrisies or your Gods shortcomings. It's pathetic, you're all pathetic creatures.

I expect full we'll to be banned and not sucked back in to this stupid hole you've created here. Besides none of you know how to debate. You're all racists hate mongrels, who reflect your own internal hate on to others. I'm so glad religion is losing its ground, I'm so glad our younger generations aren't falling for your bullshit. Only a few more generations for your ignorance to be wiped out..... And we can move on from this faux god you all blindly follow.....

You yourself are a testimony to your own vile deceit--you believe we are racist hatemongers who can't debate, and yet here you are back again trying to convince us. Why?

Because it stirs up the demons in you to contemplate our righteousness and truth and decency, and the influences of the Holy Spirit cry out from within you to become Saved™. Your cries manifest themselves in your angry posts, even though they mock what is holy and pure.

That is Jesus trying to come through...

"Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me." (Revelation 3:20)

Won't you let go of the hate just long enough to let Jesus in???

Pastor Ed

[Didymus Much]

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I'm not making up any gods...

Then clarify this statement:

...I am in fact a theist. I believe in a God/Gods...

What God/Gods do believe in, and why? If you're not making anything up, then you must have proof of their existence?

...You believe fairytales sir...

I'm atheist. Assume much?

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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See, you avoid the question because you can't answer it.... Muahahahaha, and then you insult me because you can't answer.

Pathetic peons you are.....

You had a question? All I saw was the typical flood of vulgarity and insults we expect from God-mocking atheists like you.

Oh, wait. You claim to be "a theist". So what god do you believe in, and how do you know it exists?

[A-theist69]

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I have no proof of god, because there is none. We are not meant to know what happens after deaths. That's what makes life so precious.

I have no proof their is a god or gods, an dim not going to sit here and pretend I do, like you all. I just have faith that there is something more. I just know in my heart of hearts it can't be what the Christian bible claims. There is no heaven and there is no hell. It's illogical and makes no sense. No one deserves to suffer in eternal damnation. Again, a very useful and successful tool to get the masses to fall in line.

How do I know Jesus wasn't born on December 25th, I don't but neither do you. Most however do think he was born in the fall, by using the only clues in the bible. The all point to him being born in the fall.

http://www.cgg.org/index.cfm/fuseact...Jesus-Born.htm and that comes from a Christian source......

Not to mention, it's very odd Jesus was born the same day that every other religious messiah before him was born. All these dieties were also born December 25th to a virgin..

Horus (c. 3000 BCE)
Osiris (c. 3000 BCE)
Attis of Phrygia (c.1400 BCE)
Krishna (c. 1400 BCE)
Zoroaster/Zarathustra (c. 1000 BCE)
Mithra of Persia (c. 600 BCE)
Heracles (c. 800 BCE)
Dionysus (c. 186 BCE)
Tammuz (c. 400 BCE)
Adonis (c. 200 BCE)
Hermes
Bacchus
Prometheus

Coincidence much, or just the same people using religion to control the masses. There isn't one single idea in the Christian religion that is original or unique...... Get over it.

[Brother Helge]

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How do I know Jesus wasn't born on December 25th, I don't but neither do you. Most however do think he was born in the fall, by using the only clues in the bible. The all point to him being born in the fall.

http://www.cgg.org/index.cfm/fuseact...Jesus-Born.htm and that comes from a Christian source......

Not to mention, it's very odd Jesus was born the same day that every other religious messiah before him was born. All these dieties were also born December 25th to a virgin..

Horus (c. 3000 BCE)
Osiris (c. 3000 BCE)
Attis of Phrygia (c.1400 BCE)
Krishna (c. 1400 BCE)
Zoroaster/Zarathustra (c. 1000 BCE)
Mithra of Persia (c. 600 BCE)
Heracles (c. 800 BCE)
Dionysus (c. 186 BCE)
Tammuz (c. 400 BCE)
Adonis (c. 200 BCE)
Hermes
Bacchus
Prometheus

Been watching Zeitgeist a little to much, have we?

It's obvious that Satan pre-stole the 25th of December as he knew that Jesus would be born that day.

[John North]

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There is no heaven and there is no hell. It's illogical and makes no sense.

You make no sense, yet you exist. Unless of course you’re some kind of God mocking Java script or similar.

[Didymus Much]

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I have no proof of god, because there is none. We are not meant to know what happens after deaths. That's what makes life so precious...

The only way for life to be precious is if it's the only thing we've got. If an afterlife exists, how could our 70-80 years (if we're lucky) on this globe compare to the BILLIONS of years afterward, if not to pale into complete and total insignificance?

...I have no proof their is a god or gods, an dim not going to sit here and pretend I do, like you all...

I asked for your evidence. Believing in something based on no evidence is insane.

...I just have faith that there is something more. I just know in my heart of hearts it can't be what the Christian bible claims...

So why is your "heart of hearts" (I love that phrase, it's always followed by complete self-serving bullshit) such a better guide than those of billions of others?

...There is no heaven and there is no hell. It's illogical and makes no sense...

Yet you believe in an afterlife. So where do souls go? What name do you attach to those places? Who decides our destination, and on what basis? If there's only one place for us to go, then Hitler is there, and so is John Wayne Gacy, and Ted Bundy, and your dear sweet old grandmother who'd never hurt a fly. What justice is served in that case, and wouldn't that remove even more "meaning" from this life?

...No one deserves to suffer in eternal damnation...

Ah, the "I refuse to believe in the God of the Bible because I'm smarter than the being who created and is responsible for the trillions of planets in billions of galaxies". Yawn.

...How do I know Jesus wasn't born on December 25th...

If that's your only reason for not believing the Bible...

...and that comes from a Christian source...

Someone says they're a Christian, that means they are? Ooooh, look I'm a ninja!!

...Zeitgeist bullshit (and it is bullshit, check it out) snipped...

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=zeitgeist+bullshit

[A-theist69]

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The only way for life to be precious is if it's the only thing we've got. If an afterlife exists, how could our 70-80 years (if we're lucky) on this globe compare to the BILLIONS of years afterward, if not to pale into complete and total insignificance?

I never said once that I believed in an afterlife. If you'd like to debate, at least get your facts straight. I said I believe in something more, and my beliefs lean towards reincarnation.....

I asked for your evidence. Believing in something based on no evidence is insane.

The only evidence I need to present, is energy can never die. It can only be transformed into new energy. We are nothing more then energy, so if we are transformed into something new after death, is that not the afterlife? Our new state of energy.....?

So why is your "heart of hearts" (I love that phrase, it's always followed by complete self-serving bullshit) such a better guide than those of billions of others?

I didn't say it was, but I'm certainly not going to believe the hypocrisy of religion over my own instincts. Once you do that, you let go of every part of you that makes you human, if god wanted us all to be the exact same, we wouldn't have a conscious or awareness. We wold be no different than any other animal roaming this planet. We are different because we're suppose to be..... End of story.

Yet you believe in an afterlife. So where do souls go? What name do you attach to those places? Who decides our destination, and on what basis? If there's only one place for us to go, then Hitler is there, and so is John Wayne Gacy, and Ted Bundy, and your dear sweet old grandmother who'd never hurt a fly. What justice is served in that case, and wouldn't that remove even more "meaning" from this life?

Please oh so smart one, point out where I said I believe in an afterlife? I find it odd you claim to be an Atheist, yet you're defending their beliefs and acting like one. Don't put words in my mouth, thanks.

Ah, the "I refuse to believe in the God of the Bible because I'm smarter than the being who created and is responsible for the trillions of planets in billions of galaxies". Yawn.

No I refuse to believe in the bible because the same story pre-dates Christianity and no I am not speaking of just Zeitgeist. I have seen the movie but have done my own research as well. I took astrology and I loved it. You can easily trace every aspect of modern religion to a pre-existing one and then all the way back to pagans worshipping the stars.

The bible got where we came from wrong!
It said we were the center of the universe!
It said we were 6000 years old!

I don' t believe in the bible for a numerous amount of reasons. Assume some more, it's really working well for you.

If that's your only reason for not believing the Bible...

Yup as you can see that's it, not that I have pointed out how plagiarized it really is. Not because I am a gay man and I know no God would condemn love. Seriously, I've debated with better 3rd graders......l.

Someone says they're a Christian, that means they are? Ooooh, look I'm a ninja!!

Congratulations.....

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=zeitgeist+bullshit

Some of it is inaccurate, but there is not one aspect of Jesus Christ that wasn't already used before. He's a conglomerate of previous religions used to control the masses. Religion has done far greater evil, than it will ever do good. That's a fact.....


Also the lame excuse the Devil came before Jesus and planted false incriminating evidence, is nothing more than a lazy cop out. If the Devil could do that, he would have already won this battle.....

[Didymus Much]

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I never said once that I believed in an afterlife. If you'd like to debate, at least get your facts straight. I said I believe in something more, and my beliefs lean towards reincarnation...

Reincarnation, seriously? I'm gonna guess karma, too (forced to guess because you won't volunteer anything, aside from the fact you think everyone else is wrong about everything)?

...The only evidence I need to present, is energy can never die...

Energy is never alive to begin with.

...We are nothing more then energy...

Side quibble (my internal grammar nazi is screaming in Hochdeutsche right now): "Than" is used for comparisons, "then" is used like "subsequently".

We are nothing more than energy? You're trying to take this conversation down the metaphysical path, where you redefine words on the fly to keep moving the goalposts, and never say anything that actually means anything so no one can prove that you're just pulling shit from your ass and therefore you can declare "victory".

... so if we are transformed into something new after death, is that not the afterlife? Our new state of energy.....?...

Anything can be anything if words mean whatever you want them to.

...I didn't say it was, but I'm certainly not going to believe the hypocrisy of religion over my own instincts...

How about trying to learn what religion has to say before you decide it's "hypocritical"? How about learning what "hypocritical" means before you try to use it in a sentence?

...Once you do that, you let go of every part of you that makes you human, if god wanted us all to be the exact same, we wouldn't have a conscious or awareness...

Or (I love this bit of logic), God made us all different because some of us have to go to Hell, because He made Hell, and what would be the point of making Hell if no one ever got sent there?

...We wold be no different than any other animal roaming this planet. We are different because we're suppose to be..... End of story...

Not end of story, only the end of your mind's ability to cope.

...Please oh so smart one, point out where I said I believe in an afterlife?...

It kinda follows from a belief in a deity. If no afterlife, why worship anything? There's not going to be a reward or punishment waiting, so why let it affect your life in the slightest?

... I find it odd you claim to be an Atheist, yet you're defending their beliefs and acting like one...

Grammar nazi screaming again. Don't capitalize atheist (unless it's the first word of a sentence, or part of a title of a group like American Atheists), it's not a proper noun.

How have I defended their beliefs? Can't you distinguish between trying to help you understand what they believe, and actually holding those beliefs myself?

...Not because I am a gay man and I know no God would condemn love...

I'd like to see the evidence for this "knowledge". You have to have it, because you used the word "knowledge" and not "belief". So put up or admit you're full of shit.

...Seriously, I've debated with better 3rd graders...

Oh nooooooeees, he used the ultimate ad hominem counterattack. Everything anyone says has been pre-refuted. We've lost.

We've lost to a guy who debates 3rd graders.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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I didn't say it was, but I'm certainly not going to believe the hypocrisy of religion over my own instincts.

Ah yes, "instincts"... that is what the Unsaved have after 6000 years of not thinking.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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I have no proof of god, because there is none. We are not meant to know what happens after deaths. That's what makes life so precious.

I have no proof their is a god or gods, an dim not going to sit here and pretend I do, like you all. I just have faith that there is something more.

Based on what, then? What feels good?

I never said once that I believed in an afterlife. If you'd like to debate, at least get your facts straight. I said I believe in something more, and my beliefs lean towards reincarnation.....

Reincarnation IS an afterlife; it requires transmigration and continued existence of the soul.

Here's a great discourse on Karma. I'll give you a sample:

“So, Shirlee, we don’t need to hear about why atheists can’t believe in karma. But you said karma is hateful; how about you tell us what it is and why it’s hateful?”


“Of course, John! I’ll use a resource even Mark there can respect as ‘unbiased’.” Shirlee handed out a sheet to the class:

From http://www.skepdic.com/karma.html
Karma is a law in Hinduism which maintains that every act done, no matter how insignificant, will eventually return to the doer with equal impact. Good will be returned with good; evil with evil. Since Hindus believe in reincarnation, karma knows no simple birth/death boundaries. If good or evil befall you, it is because of something you did in this or a previous lifetime.
Karma is sometimes referred to as a “moral law of cause and effect.” Karma is both an encouragement to do good and to avoid evil, as well as an explanation for whatever good or evil befalls a person.
…
On one level, karma serves to explain why good things happen to bad people and bad things happen to good people. The injustices of the world, the seeming random distribution of good and evil, are only apparent. In reality, everybody is getting what he or she deserves. Even the child brutalized by drugged adults deserves the horror. The mentally ill, the retarded, and the millions of Jews killed by the Nazis deserved it for evil they must have done in the past. The slave beaten to within a breath of death deserved it, if not for what he did today, then for what he did in some previous lifetime. Likewise for the rape victim. She is just getting what she deserves. All suffering is deserved, according to the law of karma.

The class sat silent, dumbfounded.

“Do you realize what that means, John? According to your belief in Karma, you should never help the mentally ill, or Jews, or the sick, or the poor. As the Skeptic’s Dictionary plainly states, the mentally ill are mentally ill because they did bad things in a prior life and are getting what they deserve. Toddlers dying of dysentery-induced diarrhea (basically, pooping themselves to death) because they lack clean water, or born addicted to crack or with AIDS or blinded by Mommy’s gonorrhea infection deserve it, because of bad karma. They did something bad in a ‘prior life’.

“That’s what you believe in, John. Does it sound hateful yet?”

“Well, it’s . . . I can see how . . . um . . .”

Shirlee wasn’t finished. “Did you know that karma is also the foundation of the Hindu caste system?”

The bible got where we came from wrong!
It said we were the center of the universe!
It said we were 6000 years old!

Please show me where the Bible says we are the center of the universe, and where it says anybody is 6,000 years old.

Yup as you can see that's it, not that I have pointed out how plagiarized it really is. Not because I am a gay man and I know no God would condemn love.

So you know better not just than the Abrahamic religions, but every religion in the world that was not invented within the last century (and some that were, like Scientology)?

Where do you get your knowledge of your god?

Does it not strike you as the least bit convenient that your god happens to agree with you on everything, and that you are the only one who knows what it really wants and feels?

[jared the fool]

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LOL! This thread was hilarious. Thanks for the laughs! It's amazing how religious people will completely deny science just to fit their views.

[Zechariah Smyth]

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LOL! This thread was hilarious. Thanks for the laughs! It's amazing how religious people will completely deny science just to fit their views.

It's amazing how Jesus-haters will completely deny His temporary sacrifice in order to pursue their secular activities, namely narcotics use, anal sex, and abortion-for-sport.



Yours in Christ,

Z. Smyth