New Crackpot Theory on Grand Canyon's Age

[Pastor Ezekiel]

As if the crazy theories put forth by the darwinistas weren't already silly enough, now they have pulled THIS one out of their behinds. According to the latest antiChristian propaganda, the Grand Canyon has TWO DIFFERENT AGES, neither of which add up to the correct age according to the Holy Bible (6,000).

It took eons to make Grand Canyon grand

Gazing into the majestic Grand Canyon, awe-struck visitors inevitably ask: "How old is it?" Far older than generally thought, says new evidence that scientists culled from caves lining the canyon's red limestone cliffs.

The Grand Canyon often is referred to as about 6 million years old — but its western half actually began to open at least 17 million years ago, a University of New Mexico team reports Friday in the journal Science.

Wait: The western side of the canyon is the downstream end of the Colorado River, so how could it be older than the arguably more spectacular eastern side?

Remember, geologists caution, that the Grand Canyon was carved from drainage systems that didn't turn into the single river we now know as the Colorado until roughly 6 million years ago. The new research suggests two canyons formed that eventually joined. And it makes sense that the older side would even look different, less jagged, thanks to more years of gravity and wind erosion to soften its edges.

"This is really exciting for those of us who work in the stories and theories of how the Grand Canyon has evolved," Arizona geologist Wayne Ranney, author of "Carving the Grand Canyon," said of the new work. "This paper helps us to more clearly understand that different parts of the canyon formed at different times. That's how big the Grand Canyon is."

How and when the Grand Canyon formed has been a question of both geologists and average visitors since John Wesley Powell's famous first expedition in 1869.

Dating the canyon's carving has been difficult because it has largely depended on evidence from exposed rock and mineral deposits that themselves erode over time.

What utter and complete nonsense. The earth is approximately 6,000 years old, so therefore the Grand Canyon cannot possibly be older than the earth, right?

[Nobar King]

Re: New Crackpot Theory on Grand Canyon's Age

No one ever takes into account "The Great Flood" when discussing the erosion and the Grand Canyon.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: New Crackpot Theory on Grand Canyon's Age

These "scientists" really do need to go back to Bible School. There's a Creation Tour taking place in April and for $1,750, I see it as money well spent.

(I'm thinking of taking Mrs Bathfire, she told me that she has always wanted to visit the Grand Canyon and go down on a donkey.)

[Nobar King]

Re: New Crackpot Theory on Grand Canyon's Age

(I'm thinking of taking Mrs Bathfire, she told me that she has always wanted to visit the Grand Canyon and go down on a donkey.)

That's a great journey, I highly recommending bringing Mrs. Bathfire along if you get the chance.

[One-eyed Jack]

Re: New Crackpot Theory on Grand Canyon's Age

You know, I read the Christian version of "The Man Who Walked Through Time" and found the chapter on finding traces of Noah's kitchen waste in the Temple Butte Limestone most convincing.

I have never much favored taking the Grand Canyon concessionaire's option of going down on a donkey, however. It seems to me that exploring the Canyon ''sur l'eau'' -- taking the wet route, so to speak -- is more attractive. As I recall John Wesley Powell first licked the Big Gash, and I would very much enjoy going down on a similar adventure.

Of course this titanic erosional cut can only have been created by the waters of the Great Flood. The revisionist nonsense about canyons squirming their way across the landscape and joining up to form a mega-slot is unconvincing.

~~ OEJ

[ayerea]

Re: New Crackpot Theory on Grand Canyon's Age

If there was a great flood.
Why didnt ALL of the Colorado Plateau erode like that? Its all made up of the same kind of rock, if there were a great flood, then all of the area should of ended up like that. (And i know it didnt, i live on the Colorado Plateau)

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: New Crackpot Theory on Grand Canyon's Age

If there was a great flood.
Why didnt ALL of the Colorado Plateau erode like that? Its all made up of the same kind of rock, if there were a great flood, then all of the area should of ended up like that. (And i know it didnt, i live on the Colorado Plateau)

The answer to this is that the stuff that made up the Grand Canyon before the flood was clearly softer than the stuff that remains.

So when the waters returned to the Fountain of the Deep, it rushed over the soft stuff and washed it away

Proverb:8:28: When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:

[One-eyed Jack]

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Ayerea, it's simple fluid dynamics. The pre-Flood landscape was not likely to have been perfectly flat. There were undoubtedly some pre-existing valley systems. As the great waters returned to the Fountain of the Deep they of course flowed through whatever valleys already existed.

The immense volume of runoff during the retreat of the Flood simply eroded the canyon much more quickly than secular geologists believe.

Then, after the Flood, glaciers formed in Antarctica and Greenland and on high mountains worldwide. (These ice masses -- if they existed in pre-Noachian times -- would have been floated off their foundations and wandered the global sea as immense icebergs.) Noah grounded the Ark on Mount Ararat and released the animals; the kangaroos went to Australia; the sloths to South America and grizzly bears to North America; and so forth and so on.

It's all quite simple and logical.

That's why Christianity is the preferred religion of serious scientists and rationalists worldwide.

~~ OEJ

[Underpants Gnome]

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The answer to this is that the stuff that made up the Grand Canyon before the flood was clearly softer than the stuff that remains.

So when the waters returned to the Fountain of the Deep, it rushed over the soft stuff and washed it away

Proverb:8:28: When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:

I see, so that lava flow the cuts the cayon cuts right threw is part of the soft stuff in that "deep wet gash"?

So let's see, the flood happens 2348 BCE according to you guys' magic book.

http://www.users.bigpond.com/rdoolan/flooddate.html

and the Great Pyramid was completed in 2560 BCE

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Pyramid_of_Giza

So we have these here Egyptian stuff that was built 100 years before your' alleged flood not buried under miles of sediment. Care to explain?


This ought to be good.

[One-eyed Jack]

Re: New Crackpot Theory on Grand Canyon's Age

The tide comes in over a beach, submerging a rock. The tide retreats. Are all the rocks on the beach covered with sediment?

Or: A flood comes ripping down a river. When the flood recedes new mudbars exist in some places; but old ones have been destroyed.

Sediment accumulates differentially.

Obviously the Egyptian basin, for whatever reason, did not accumulate a great whopping pile of sediment right on top of the pyramids. Any veneer of silt and mud which clung to the heathen stone structures simply washed off in the rains of succeeding centuries. The sands of the Sahara may well be where the major deposition in the southern Mediterranean region occurred, however.

I can think of several lines of argument you haven't broached, my friend. Some of them would probably require us to resort to the Nuclear Bomb of Young-Earth Creationism to refute. See if you can put your finger on one.

Out of whose womb came the ice? and the hoary frost of heaven, who hath gendered it? Job 38:29

~~ OEJ

[Underpants Gnome]

Re: New Crackpot Theory on Grand Canyon's Age

The tide comes in over a beach, submerging a rock. The tide retreats. Are all the rocks on the beach covered with sediment?

Or: A flood comes ripping down a river. When the flood recedes new mudbars exist in some places; but old ones have been destroyed.

Sediment accumulates differentially.

Obviously the Egyptian basin, for whatever reason, did not accumulate a great whopping pile of sediment right on top of the pyramids. Any veneer of silt and mud which clung to the heathen stone structures simply washed off in the rains of succeeding centuries. The sands of the Sahara may well be where the major deposition in the southern Mediterranean region occurred, however.~~ OEJ

I see, so the flood deposited miles of sediment in some places and pretty much next to nothing in just about every major ancient site you can mention (including some in the New World).

I can think of several lines of argument you haven't broached, my friend. Some of them would probably require us to resort to the Nuclear Bomb of Young-Earth Creationism to refute. See if you can put your finger on one.

Out of whose womb came the ice? and the hoary frost of heaven, who hath gendered it? Job 38:29

~~ OEJ

This also brings up another question. Why weren't those pesky Egyptians downed since they merrily went on doing these massive public works projects when they were all supposed to be fish food. This wouldn't be why you guys hate Egypt so much since they refused to die during the Flood?

[Brother Temperance]

Re: New Crackpot Theory on Grand Canyon's Age

I see, so that lava flow the cuts the cayon cuts right threw is part of the soft stuff in that "deep wet gash"?

So let's see, the flood happens 2348 BCE according to you guys' magic book.

http://www.users.bigpond.com/rdoolan/flooddate.html

and the Great Pyramid was completed in 2560 BCE

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Pyramid_of_Giza

So we have these here Egyptian stuff that was built 100 years before your' alleged flood not buried under miles of sediment. Care to explain?

The Egyptians probably scrubbed all the sediment off with a cloth at some point after the earth was repopulated.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: New Crackpot Theory on Grand Canyon's Age

This also brings up another question. Why weren't those pesky Egyptians downed since they merrily went on doing these massive public works projects when they were all supposed to be fish food. This wouldn't be why you guys hate Egypt so much since they refused to die during the Flood?

They did, the sons of Noah repopulated the earth:

Ge:7:11: In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.
Ge:7:13: In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark;
Ge:7:15: And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life.
Ge:7:23: And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.

[The ark sails around, comes to ground on Mount Ararat.]

Ge:9:19: These are the three sons of Noah: and of them was the whole earth overspread.

[Pastor Al E Pistle]

Re: New Crackpot Theory on Grand Canyon's Age

You know, I read the Christian version of "The Man Who Walked Through Time"

~~ OEJ

Geez, Jack.....That was 1968. I was in the 'Nam. But I made the trip after I came back. Colin Fletcher! It's not the same now. Nothing is the same anymore.