[SalvationSeeker]

Re: Cigarettes help prove evolution!

Smoking causes different types of cancer. Don't even bother to argue, even the tobacco companies have been forced to admit it, and it is now printed on boxes, along with graphic pictures. Don't even start there, you can't win.

So what? I could force you to claim you love Jesus but what would that prove? You obviously don't really love Him.

Life evolved from bacteria, not rocks. That rocks were around at the time doesn't mean we evolved from them. And our very nature is evident of this...study the effect of bacteria and viruses, then study ours. The two are disturbingly similar (as pointed out in The Matrix) but that's beside the point.

And what did these so-called "bacteria" (whatever that is) came from then?
Face it, if evilution would have been true, then they must have came from rocks or another kind of dead matter.
Have you ever seen a stone turn into "bacteria"?

I believe we have souls and that animals do as well. But the spiritual/metaphysical world and the physical ones are two seperate things entirely. We're talking about the evolution of the PHYSICAL world here. Please pay attention in class!

If evilution would be correct then at some point;
ALL LIFE must have came from dead matter, so rocks must then, logically, have souls too.
And so must this "bacteria" you keep talking about too.

Not only is smoking extremely bad for you, but doesn't that particular brand of cigarettes give people migraines? One of them does, I forget which.

What else is new? Of course you keep forgetting everything, being the stupid harlot that you are.

Ok, so how about the many skeletons, fossils, and remnants of ancient civilizations that they have dug up and dated, for a start?

Planted by SATAN to try and disprove the Holy KJV1611 Bible.
Then his servants (scientists) "dated" them according to his wishes.

You know very well I'm talking about the KJV1611 (and any other version of the bible that's floating around).

The KJV1611 is the only true version.

There are many religious texts, each one with its own theory of creationism. Just what proof do you have that yours is any more valid than the Aztec one? The Ancient Greek one? The Egyptian one? And what's more, those others came first!

God wrote the Bible, He didn't write their texts.
That's proof enough for any reasonable person.

There is utterly no proof, and a bunch of people like you clutching their bibles, stamping their feet and saying 'because we say so!', does not count!

No, it is so because GOD SAYS SO!

If one day you ever got accused of a crime you did not commit, I'm sure you would care, very much.

I for one would help free brother Remy from the clutches of evil, and any lieberal that would get in my way would be sent to eternal damnation.
But of course, it would never really come to that, God Himselfs protects brother Remy.
I doubt he would ever be brought before a sickular court.

May my words of wisdom open your eyes, Rachael.
Stop being a pawn for satan, and start being a servant for the LORD.

[Rachael Van Helsing]

Re: Cigarettes help prove evolution!

So what? I could force you to claim you love Jesus but what would that prove? You obviously don't really love Him.

Heh, one, no you couldn't. Second, do you think the cigarette companies would have gone out without a fight? If they didn't cause cancer, then they would very successfully be able to sue whoever said so for libel. Warnings were not put on there until the cancer connection was proven. Have you any idea how many people in the past have tried to sue the tobacco companies and failed?

And what did these so-called "bacteria" (whatever that is) came from then?
Face it, if evilution would have been true, then they must have came from rocks or another kind of dead matter.
Have you ever seen a stone turn into "bacteria"?

Conditions in the atmosphere. The elements, water, they formed, they evolved, from the primordial soup of life. Not from dry rocks.

If evilution would be correct then at some point;
ALL LIFE must have came from dead matter, so rocks must then, logically, have souls too.
And so must this "bacteria" you keep talking about too.

Did you understand what I said? I said, the spiritual and physical world are two seperate things. A living soul wouldn't enter a dead object. But that's a discussion for another time. We are talking about the evolution of physical life here, not souls.

Planted by SATAN to try and disprove the Holy KJV1611 Bible.
Then his servants (scientists) "dated" them according to his wishes.

That's utterly stupid. You truly think humans are that important that they are worth that much of a fuss over? HA! And yis that the best you can do? 'They were planted there' ?

The KJV1611 is the only true version.

Still just a book created by humans.

God wrote the Bible, He didn't write their texts.
That's proof enough for any reasonable person.

And yet these others can say that their gods also wrote theirs, what's to stop them saying that? And they came first, so why do you favor this deity over any of the others? Because you like the vicious, violent, killing factor?
Maybe you might want to look into the religion of the ancient Mayans.

No, it is so because GOD SAYS SO!

No, a book says so. Unless the sky opened up and I saw it for myself, I won't be believing it. And even if that happened I'd still have my doubts.

I for one would help free brother Remy from the clutches of evil, and any lieberal that would get in my way would be sent to eternal damnation.
But of course, it would never really come to that, God Himselfs protects brother Remy.
I doubt he would ever be brought before a sickular court.

That was not the point. The point is....oh, never mind, you wouldn't get it.

May my words of wisdom open your eyes, Rachael.
Stop being a pawn for satan, and start being a servant for the LORD.

Nah, I prefer being sensible, thanks.

[Remy Lebeau]

Re: Cigarettes help prove evolution!

Ok, so how about the many skeletons, fossils, and remnants of ancient civilizations that they have dug up and dated, for a start?

Egyptian tombs don't prove evilution. Those mummies and ruins were by made by human beings. The same human beings who exist to this day. No retarded fish men or monkey people built any of it.

No transitionary fossils.
No record of any animal species breaking off into a completely different species.
Nothing but bones of completely distinct and non related species which you arbitrarily claim descend from one another.

Try again.


You know very well I'm talking about the KJV1611 (and any other version of the bible that's floating around).

The Holy Bible KJV 1611 is the Word of God and not authored by man. Therefore, logic dictates that you are not referring to the KJV1611. I hope your simple female mind can comprehend basic logic.


There are many religious texts, each one with its own theory of creationism. Just what proof do you have that yours is any more valid than the Aztec one? The Ancient Greek one? The Egyptian one? And what's more, those others came first!

Adam was the first man and therefore came before any other civilization and their made up hokey pokey creation theories. God created Adam within the first days of creation per the Bible's description. Therefore, the Biblical account is the oldest and truest.


There is utterly no proof, and a bunch of people like you clutching their bibles, stamping their feet and saying 'because we say so!', does not count!

It's God who says the Bible is the Infallable Truth™. If the Master and Creator of the universe says He authored the Bible and it is flawless then it more than likely is.


If one day you ever got accused of a crime you did not commit, I'm sure you would care, very much.

Ha! Our joo lawyers eat judges for lunch.

[Rachael Van Helsing]

Re: Cigarettes help prove evolution!

Egyptian tombs don't prove evilution. Those mummies and ruins were by made by human beings. The same human beings who exist to this day. No retarded fish men or monkey people built any of it.

And what about neanderthals? And skeletons like Lucy? And iceman? And cave paintings? They've even found footprints here dated around 50,000 years ago, many times older than what you claim the earth is. And then there's dinosaurs. Proof that the earth is older than you say it is.

No transitionary fossils.
No record of any animal species breaking off into a completely different species.
Nothing but bones of completely distinct and non related species which you arbitrarily claim descend from one another.

Again you keep going to the only thing you can use. The missing link. Yes, there's a missing link. But there are still other fossils around, and we may one day find more. I've noticed that your main argument is the missing link. Because you HAVE no other argument.

Try again.

Ditto.

The Holy Bible KJV 1611 is the Word of God and not authored by man. Therefore, logic dictates that you are not referring to the KJV1611. I hope your simple female mind can comprehend basic logic.

And how do you know? As I said, unless I could go back in time and personally see it being written by this big dude in the sky, I won't be believing that any divine being wrote it.
You know, the bible, what it consists of, is in actuality a mishmash of old documents and scrolls thrown together. It was never really intended to be put together in that way or as a guide.

Adam was the first man and therefore came before any other civilization and their made up hokey pokey creation theories. God created Adam within the first days of creation per the Bible's description. Therefore, the Biblical account is the oldest and truest.

Provide physical evidence Adam existed? You're always going on about 'transitory fossils being missing', well, Adam's bones are also missing! 6000 year old bones shouldn't be hard to find if that were the case! You have NO evidence of anything in genesis actually happening except what it says in some dumb book!
Which a monkey with a typewriter could have written! And the bible you use is not even the oldest version anyway. It was written 1611, only 395 years ago. Surely that in itself shows the problems facing your claims?

It's God who says the Bible is the Infallable Truth™. If the Master and Creator of the universe says He authored the Bible and it is flawless then it more than likely is.

Like I said, I sure don't see the clouds opening up and some big sky dude saying so in a booming voice. I see only your claims, and the claims of others like you.

Ha! Our joo lawyers eat judges for lunch.

I thought you hated Jews, yet they are your lawyers..?

[Brother Temperance]

Re: Cigarettes help prove evolution!

Conditions in the atmosphere. The elements, water, they formed, they evolved, from the primordial soup of life. Not from dry rocks.

I'm sorry. We've obviously misinterpreted your demonic gibberish completely. It's not that life came from dry rocks. Soup came from dry rocks, and life came from soup. Of course, it all makes perfect sense now.

[Rachael Van Helsing]

Re: Cigarettes help prove evolution!

Time to post that link again, I see.

From this link:

The Primordial Soup Theory states that Life began in a warm pond/ocean from a combination of chemicals that forms amino acids, which then make proteins. This is suppose to happen at least 3.8 billion to 3.55 billion years ago.

The Russian Chemist A.I. Oparin and English Geneticist J.B.S. Haldane first conceived of this idea. Both developed this theory independently in 1920.

In this theory, the basic building blocks of life came from simple molecule which formed in the atmosphere (w/o oxygen). This was then energized by lightning and the rain from the atmosphere created the "organic soup". The first organisms would have to be simple heterotrophs in order to survive by consuming other organisms for energy before means of photosynthesis. They would become autotrophs by mutation. Evidence now suggest the first organisms were autotrophs

Chemist Stanley Miller and physicist Harold Urey did a famous experiment in 1950 to test this theory. They mixed gases thought to be present on primitive earth:

Methane (CH4)

Ammonia (NH3)


Water (H2O)


Hydrogen (H2)


No Oxygen

They then electrically sparked the mixture to signify lightning. The results were amino acids, the building blocks of proteins. It was later discovered that other energies also can excite gases and produce all 20 amino acids:

Electricity

Ultraviolet light


Heat


Shock

[Remy Lebeau]

Re: Cigarettes help prove evolution!

And what about neanderthals? And skeletons like Lucy? And iceman? And cave paintings? They've even found footprints here dated around 50,000 years ago, many times older than what you claim the earth is. And then there's dinosaurs. Proof that the earth is older than you say it is.

They've also dated human bones and early tools at millions of years old. What is your point? Faulty dating methods which assume the psuedo-scientist know how much of a given element was in a certain area and that no unknown factors attributed to element lose or gain.

Neanderthals are now called aborigines. You're from Australia. You should know this. Lucy is a plain old ape species that died off. What I find to be your most ignorant assumption is that we are descended from this extinct ape species. All I see are various bones of distinct and completely seperate creatures who hold no relation to one another. How on earth do you get the nerve to claim that one distinct species evolved from another? Where is your proof, harlot?

How many times must I repeat myself?

!!!!!NO TRANSITIONARY FOSSILS!!!!!
!!!!!NO PHYSICAL EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER THAT ONE SPECIES CAN TRANSFROM INTO ANOTHER!!!!!

By your logic I can argue that man evolved from roaches. And since a praying mantis is more humanoid in shape than a roach it must be a closer ancestor. See, I can arbitraily make outrageous claims too.


Again you keep going to the only thing you can use. The missing link. Yes, there's a missing link. But there are still other fossils around, and we may one day find more. I've noticed that your main argument is the missing link. Because you HAVE no other argument.

Who needs any other argument?

You have no proof for evilution. I could see you now as a lawyer in a statutory rape trial, "Your honor, the prosecution keeps harping on the fact that the 14 year old girl's baby was fathered by my client. Why don't they use any other argument to prove his guilt? Ha! They can't!!! All they have is a patternity test." Silly woman....

[/COLOR]Ditto.


And how do you know? As I said, unless I could go back in time and personally see it being written by this big dude in the sky, I won't be believing that any divine being wrote it.


But a divine being has told you already through the Bible. Duh!!! Hello?!?! anyone in there?? You are making a complete fool of yourself.

You know, the bible, what it consists of, is in actuality a mishmash of old documents and scrolls thrown together. It was never really intended to be put together in that way or as a guide.

You don't claim not to know if God authored the Bible yet you have detailed information on how it was written? You are a hypocritical liar. You believe in anything anti-christian in a heartbeat while stubbornly ignoring the truth of the KJV1611.


Provide physical evidence Adam existed? You're always going on about 'transitory fossils being missing', well, Adam's bones are also missing! 6000 year old bones shouldn't be hard to find if that were the case! You have NO evidence of anything in genesis actually happening except what it says in some dumb book!


Adams bones could be any human bones. Duh!!

[I]Which a monkey with a typewriter could have written! And the bible you use is not even the oldest version anyway. It was written 1611, only 395 years ago. Surely that in itself shows the problems facing your claims?

Inspired by God to wash away the catholic taint.

Chalk up another victory to me...

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Cigarettes help prove evolution!

Just a question for you VanHellbound; do you wake up in a new world every 20 minutes?

I've posted this before, but apparently your chicken-sized brain has expelled all recollection of it and has to be reminded....

Care to explain the contradictions illustrated below? Man-made items embedded in rock that has been "carbon tested" for millions of years ago?

[SalvationSeeker]

Re: Cigarettes help prove evolution!

The Primordial Soup Theory states that Life began in a warm pond/ocean from a combination of chemicals that forms amino acids, which then make proteins. This is suppose to happen at least 3.8 billion to 3.55 billion years ago.
The Russian Chemist A.I. Oparin and English Geneticist J.B.S. Haldane first conceived of this idea. Both developed this theory independently in 1920.

Exactly, it says theory. That means it is unproved. NO PROOF.
Stop acting like it would be some absolute truth, like the holy KJV1611 Bible is.

Second, the earth is 6000years old, not 3.8billion years old.
That alone discredits this stupid idea.

In this theory, the basic building blocks of life came from simple molecule which formed in the atmosphere (w/o oxygen). This was then energized by lightning and the rain from the atmosphere created the "organic soup". The first organisms would have to be simple heterotrophs in order to survive by consuming other organisms for energy before means of photosynthesis. They would become autotrophs by mutation. Evidence now suggest the first organisms were autotrophs
Chemist Stanley Miller and physicist Harold Urey did a famous experiment in 1950 to test this theory. They mixed gases thought to be present on primitive earth:

'THEY MIXED GASES THOUGHT TO BE PRESENT ON PRIMITIVE EARTH.'
Exactly, the think they were present, but as usual, they have no proof whatsover. What a bunch of morons.

Methane (CH4)
Ammonia (NH3)
Water (H2O)
Hydrogen (H2)
No Oxygen

So I suppose these chemicals, as well as the amino acids must have souls.
You're really missing the point, our souls are us, our very selfs as humans.
If humans evolved our souls MUST have evolved too, it's simple logic. You cannot separate the two.

And since we all know that we have souls, while animals don't, rocks don't, and this "promodial soup" as sure as your eternal damnation don't..
Then we can quickly conclude this is more satanic propaganda.
I cannot believe you believe this crap over the holy KJV1611 Bible.

They then electrically sparked the mixture to signify lightning. The results were amino acids, the building blocks of proteins. It was later discovered that other energies also can excite gases and produce all 20 amino acids:

Wow.. So let me get this straight, they took some chemicals they BELIEVED to be present that long time ago.
They then put some electricity through it and created yet more chemicals? How spectacular.

In case you didn't know, amino acids is nothing but chemicals, amino acids aren't alive. And proteins isn't alive either.

Electricity
Ultraviolet light
Heat
Shock

The only light that could create true life is the light of God allmighty, praise Him!
The satanic scientists will never be able to duplicate His Glory!

PRAISE JESUS!

[Brother Temperance]

Re: Cigarettes help prove evolution!

The Russian Chemist A.I. Oparin and English Geneticist J.B.S. Haldane first conceived of this idea. Both developed this theory independently in 1920.

So, your theory was developed by a Russian in 1920? You'd rather take Communist propaganda over the word of the Lord God, King of Kings, the Rock of our salvation? You are truly doomed, deluded and disgraceful.

[Rachael Van Helsing]

Re: Cigarettes help prove evolution!

They've also dated human bones and early tools at millions of years old. What is your point? Faulty dating methods which assume the psuedo-scientist know how much of a given element was in a certain area and that no unknown factors attributed to element lose or gain.

Neanderthals are now called aborigines. You're from Australia. You should know this. Lucy is a plain old ape species that died off. What I find to be your most ignorant assumption is that we are descended from this extinct ape species. All I see are various bones of distinct and completely seperate creatures who hold no relation to one another. How on earth do you get the nerve to claim that one distinct species evolved from another? Where is your proof, harlot?

How many times must I repeat myself?

!!!!!NO TRANSITIONARY FOSSILS!!!!!
!!!!!NO PHYSICAL EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER THAT ONE SPECIES CAN TRANSFROM INTO ANOTHER!!!!!

On and on you go about that and how there's nothing to prove transition, evolution. Well I've got news for you, THERE IS!!

Paleontologists know of many detailed examples of fossils intermediate in form between various taxonomic groups. One example is 'Archaeopteryx', which combines feathers and skeletal structures peculiar to birds with features of dinosaurs. A flock's worth of other feathered fossil species, some more avian and some less, has also been found.
Then there are the fossils which show how modern horses from the tiny Eohippus.
Whales descended from four-legged ancestors that walked on land, and creatures known as Ambulocetus and Rodhocetus helped to make that transition.
Fossil seashells how how mollusks evolved through millions of years. Perhaps 20 or more hominids (not all of them our ancestors) fill the gap between Lucy the australopithecine and modern humans.
Creationists like you, however, somehow look at these above examples and refuse to see what's right in front of you, hoping instead for us to produce some completely newfangled skeleton of some previously unknown species. Look at the evidence, no transitory fossils, BAH!

By your logic I can argue that man evolved from roaches. And since a praying mantis is more humanoid in shape than a roach it must be a closer ancestor. See, I can arbitraily make outrageous claims too.

Read what I said above. You're clearly taking nonsense. A roach is far more seperate than just a species.

Who needs any other argument?

You do, seeing as I've clearly just proved you wrong. Don't believe me? Look this information up, it's all true.

You have no proof for evilution. I could see you now as a lawyer in a statutory rape trial, "Your honor, the prosecution keeps harping on the fact that the 14 year old girl's baby was fathered by my client. Why don't they use any other argument to prove his guilt? Ha! They can't!!! All they have is a patternity test." Silly woman....

Again, read my above response about the fossils. That is clearly proof that evolution can, and has occured.

But a divine being has told you already through the Bible. Duh!!! Hello?!?! anyone in there?? You are making a complete fool of yourself.

Humans wrote the bible. And no divine being has ever shown up to claim otherwise. So until that happens, and I'm guessing it never will, that claim is completely invalid.

You don't claim not to know if God authored the Bible yet you have detailed information on how it was written? You are a hypocritical liar. You believe in anything anti-christian in a heartbeat while stubbornly ignoring the truth of the KJV1611.

That doesn't make me hypocritical or a liar, it just means I've done my research more than you. Knowing how it was written BY HUMANS is simply research. Something which it seems is a foreign concept to you.

Adams bones could be any human bones. Duh!!

You're really grasping at straws here, aren't you?

Inspired by God to wash away the catholic taint.

]
Such an imagination. You should consider writing children's stories, about the boogeyman and such. There's as much evidence that the boogeyman is real as their is for your 'god'.

Chalk up another victory to me...

I think not.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Cigarettes help prove evolution!

So, you are willing to believe that we "evolved" from communist monkey soup, but the idea that we "evolved" from a cockroach, why THAT would be ridiculous? HA HA HA HA! Oh you crack me up you empty-headed females!

[SalvationSeeker]

Re: Cigarettes help prove evolution!

How about answering me, Roachel?
Stop trying to dodge the real issues.

Your satanic theory is, as all such theories, extremely flawed.

[Remy Lebeau]

Re: Cigarettes help prove evolution!

On and on you go about that and how there's nothing to prove transition, evolution. Well I've got news for you, THERE IS!!

Paleontologists know of many detailed examples of fossils intermediate in form between various taxonomic groups. One example is 'Archaeopteryx', which combines feathers and skeletal structures peculiar to birds with features of dinosaurs. A flock's worth of other feathered fossil species, some more avian and some less, has also been found.

What do you not understand about the words "distinct", "separate", "unrelated" and "species". There is no evidence that this feathered behemoth evolved from a scaled behemoth. For all we know those can be demon fossils. The ancient wetbacks had tales of pre flood feathered serpents and even foolishly worshiped them. They called them Quetzalcoatl or something like that.

Let's recap: Pseudo-scientist dig up the bones of distinct separate unrelated species. The idea that different species are related because one mutated into the other is CONJECTURE!!!!

If you cannot prove that these distinct species did not appear out of nowhere as they were then you cannot claim evilution is fact. You can BELIEVE in evilution. You can think it's the greatest theory since gravity. But you cannot PROVE it.

I can prove that the world is roughly 6,000 years old and that all life that is and was created as is. Read the KJV1611, wench.

Then there are the fossils which show how modern horses from the tiny Eohippus.

No, there are distinct bones of separate non-related species which you claim are related without any proof.

Whales descended from four-legged ancestors that walked on land, and creatures known as Ambulocetus and Rodhocetus helped to make that transition.

So where is the transition between all this so-called in between species?

Why can pseudo-scientist find tons of Ambulocetus and Rodhocetus(whatever the heck those are) yet no physical evidence to link one to the other? Like I said; NO TRANSITIONAL FOSSILS.

Dear simply minded woman,

A praying mantis is more humanoid than a roach. Do you now believe that humans evolved from roaches? Sure, there is no physical evidence linking the roach to the praying mantis, but apparently you don't need evidence.

Creationists like you, however, somehow look at these above examples and refuse to see what's right in front of you, hoping instead for us to produce some completely newfangled skeleton of some previously unknown species. Look at the evidence, no transitory fossils, BAH![/I]

"Bah!" indeed.

You refuse to look at what's right in front of you. A world designed by an intelligence. Yet I'm supposed to see how a dog evolved into a hyena, and a hyena into a tiger? The platypus is hairy, lays eggs, a flat wide tail, and has a bill. I guess we can claim that beavers evolved into ducks or ducks into beavers, right. Conjecture!!! Conjecture!! Conjecture!!!

You do, seeing as I've clearly just proved you wrong. Don't believe me? Look this information up, it's all true.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! You haven't proved anything. In that case I've clearly proved that humans evolved from roaches and the praying mantis is a missing link.

Again, read my above response about the fossils. That is clearly proof that evolution can, and has occurred.

You have yet to dispute the fact that you cannot disprove creationism as told in the Holy Bible KJV1611. If you can prove evilution then you can disprove creationism. You have yet to prove that all species, past and present, did not simply appear on earth as they are.

Humans wrote the bible. And no divine being has ever shown up to claim otherwise. So until that happens, and I'm guessing it never will, that claim is completely invalid.

Jesus did show up. Duh!!! President Bush has spoken with Jesus about world events and how he should proceed. Duh!!!

That doesn't make me hypocritical or a liar, it just means I've done my research more than you. Knowing how it was written BY HUMANS is simply research. Something which it seems is a foreign concept to you.

Unless you have a time machine you're full of it

Such an imagination. You should consider writing children's stories, about the boogeyman and such. There's as much evidence that the boogeyman is real as their is for your 'god'.

The boogey man never wrote a book.

How many times must a out debate you, Van Hellbound. When will you realize my True Christian™ mind is too great for that of a retarded female Australian? If Steve Erwin was a larger brained male of you people what does that say about the smaller brained females of Australia?

[Remy Lebeau]

Re: Cigarettes help prove evolution!

So, you are willing to believe that we "evolved" from communist monkey soup, but the idea that we "evolved" from a cockroach, why THAT would be ridiculous? HA HA HA HA! Oh you crack me up you empty-headed females!

She sure did skip your post. I wonder why?