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  • Scientists: Genetics show that Arabs are really Christians

    If the Muslim extremists really plan to wipe out all Christian blood, they might just as well start off with themselves:

    Crusaders 'left genetic legacy'

    The genetic signature can be traced to Europe

    Scientists have detected the faint genetic traces left by medieval crusaders in the Middle East. The team says it found a particular DNA signature which recently appeared in Lebanon and is probably linked to the crusades. The finding comes from the Genographic Project, a major effort to track human migrations through DNA. Details of the research have been published in the American Journal of Human Genetics. The researchers found that some Christian men in Lebanon carry a DNA signature hailing from Western Europe.


    The scientists also found that Lebanese Muslim men were more likely than Christians to carry a particular genetic signature. But this one is linked to expansions from the Arabian Peninsula which brought Islam to the area in the 7th and 8th Centuries. But they emphasise that the differences between the two communities are minor, and that Christians and Muslim Arabs in Lebanon overwhelmingly share a common heritage.


    Genetic 'surname'
    The legacy of the Muslim expansion has been demonstrated in other studies which looked at the genetics of Middle Eastern and North African populations. But signs of recent European migration to the region is more unusual. The study focused on the Y, or male, chromosome, a package of genetic material carried only by men that is passed down from father to son more or less unchanged, just like a surname. But over many generations, the chromosome accumulates small changes, or copying errors, in its DNA sequence. So Y chromosomes can be classified into different groups (called haplogroups) which, to some extent, reflect a person's geographical ancestry.


    The team analysed the Y chromosomes of 926 Lebanese males and found that patterns of male genetic variation in Lebanon fell more along religious lines than along geographical lines. A genetic signature on the male chromosome called WES1, which is usually only found in European populations, was found among the Lebanese men included in the study.


    Science and history
    "It seems to have come in from Europe and is found mostly in the Christian population," said Dr Spencer Wells, director of the Genographic Project.
    "This is odd because typically we don't see this sort of stratification by religion when we are looking at the relative proportions of these lineages - and particularly immigration events." He told BBC News: "Looking at the same data set, we saw a similar enrichment of lineages coming in from the Arabian Peninsula in the Muslim population which we didn't see [as often] in the Christian population." Lebanese Muslim men were found to have high frequencies of a Y chromosome grouping known as J1. This is typical of populations originating from the Arabian Peninsula, who were involved in the Muslim expansion.


    "The goal of the study was to put some science to the history of this country - which is very rich," said Pierre Zalloua, a co-author on the paper, from the Lebanese American University in Beirut. He added: "To have these great civilisations - with the Islamic expansion and the migration from Europe - coming to Lebanon, leaving not only their genes but also some of their culture and way of life, it can only make us feel richer."


    The Genographic Project was launched by National Geographic in 2005 to help piece together a picture of how the Earth was colonised. The consortium has sold 250,000 DNA test kits and regional centres have taken samples of genetic material from 31,000 indigeous people.



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    Re: Scientists: Genetics show that Arabs are really Christians

    True Christian(TM) blood in a mooslim? Well, that just proves that genetics=bullocks...
    Bringing Geology back to Christ!

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    • #3
      Re: Scientists: Genetics show that Arabs are really Christians

      Originally posted by SanzSolo View Post
      True Christian™ blood in a mooslim? Well, that just proves that genetics=bullocks...
      I love Christian logic.
      I would like you to meet my imaginary friend, God.

      "...as Christians we deal with the truth, just because something is written down in a book doesn't mean it happened." - Bobby-Joe

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        Re: Scientists: Genetics show that Arabs are really Christians

        The consortium has sold 250,000 DNA test kits and regional centres have taken samples of genetic material from 31,000 indigeous people.
        I wonder what what happened to the other kits? It sounds to me like they excluded the 219,000 data points that didn't fit their hypothesis.

        Of course, Arabs and most white people are related, with the lines diverging around 4,500 years ago when Noah's sons scattered to repopulate the Earth. Jews and Arabs diverged even later, when Jacob bought the promised land from Ishmael for a bowl of soup (oh, those clever, clever, Jews). We don't need genetic tests for this, it's all right there in the Bible.

        Pour out thy fury upon the heathen that know thee not, and upon the families that call not on thy name.... Jeremiah 10:25

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          Re: Scientists: Genetics show that Arabs are really Christians

          Originally posted by Ahimaaz Smith View Post
          I wonder what what happened to the other kits? It sounds to me like they excluded the 219,000 data points that didn't fit their hypothesis.

          Of course, Arabs and most white people are related, with the lines diverging around 4,500 years ago when Noah's sons scattered to repopulate the Earth. Jews and Arabs diverged even later, when Jacob bought the promised land from Ishmael for a bowl of soup (oh, those clever, clever, Jews). We don't need genetic tests for this, it's all right there in the Bible.
          Praise Brother Ahimaaz - another blow for the science of the gaps!
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            Re: Scientists: Genetics show that Arabs are really Christians

            Originally posted by SanzSolo View Post
            True Christian™ blood in a mooslim? Well, that just proves that genetics=bullocks...


            Sounds like it proves that Christian Crusaders raped Muslim women...no surprise there.
            Now that Obama has won the election there will be big black cock for every white woman!!!

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            • #7
              Re: Scientists: Genetics show that Arabs are really Christians

              Originally posted by Dances without Joy View Post
              Sounds like it proves that Christian Crusaders raped Muslim women...no surprise there.
              More likely, those disgusting Muslim whordes raped the Godly Crusaders!
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              • #8
                Re: Scientists: Genetics show that Arabs are really Christians

                I must say, this is a christian forum. But I must ask, why waste all your time? It's been up for awhile....

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                • #9
                  Re: Scientists: Genetics show that Arabs are really Christians

                  Originally posted by n0thing View Post
                  Why waste all your time?
                  What do you think is a waste of time? Honoring Jesus? I suppose you don't celebrate Christmas, either?
                  May you be a blessing to every life you touch.

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                    Re: Scientists: Genetics show that Arabs are really Christians

                    Originally posted by Ahimaaz Smith View Post
                    I wonder what what happened to the other kits? It sounds to me like they excluded the 219,000 data points that didn't fit their hypothesis.

                    Of course, Arabs and most white people are related, with the lines diverging around 4,500 years ago when Noah's sons scattered to repopulate the Earth. Jews and Arabs diverged even later, when Jacob bought the promised land from Ishmael for a bowl of soup (oh, those clever, clever, Jews). We don't need genetic tests for this, it's all right there in the Bible.
                    Well i think you misread that, 250000 were sold and used for data with the 31000 on top of it also used, LERN TWO REID
                    I want to make it with chu

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                    • #11
                      Re: Scientists: Genetics show that Arabs are really Christians

                      Originally posted by Heroine View Post
                      Well i think you misread that, 250000 were sold and used for data with the 31000 on top of it also used, LERN TWO REID
                      Here is their scientific paper. Add up all of the numbers in Figure 4, and you will see that the "scientists" used fewer than 10,000 samples in their analysis, including only 926 in Lebanon. So, when their press release talks about 250,000 kits and 31,000 samples, it is unadulterated bulldroppings designed only to make it sound like they did some real science.

                      So, Herioine, LERN TWO KAUNT before you criticize.

                      Pour out thy fury upon the heathen that know thee not, and upon the families that call not on thy name.... Jeremiah 10:25

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                      • #12
                        Re: Scientists: Genetics show that Arabs are really Christians

                        I thought you Looney Baptists didn't believe in DNA? "Secular Pseudo-Scientific Mumbo Jumbo", and what have you. Seems to me you people called DNA a myth because it lends credence to evolution. Or is that only when DNA is used to prove something you don't like?
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                        • #13
                          Re: Scientists: Genetics show that Arabs are really Christians

                          Originally posted by WickedWitch View Post
                          I thought you Looney Baptists didn't believe in DNA? "Secular Pseudo-Scientific Mumbo Jumbo", and what have you. Seems to me you people called DNA a myth because it lends credence to evolution. Or is that only when DNA is used to prove something you don't like?
                          Brother Ahimaaz is a genius. He is an ex-scientist. As a True Christian, he has dismissed DNA as bogus but (and there's always a "but") he has not lost his ability for mathematics - adding up the number of Commandments, Apostles or the age of the Earth; he is at the forefront.

                          What you are adding up does not matter, one may add up anything without believing in the thing.

                          Can I interest you in some pithy sayings by Christ?
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                          “We must reassert that the essence of Christianity is the love of obedience to God’s Laws and that how that complete obedience is used or implemented does not concern us.”

                          Author of such illuminating essays as,
                          Map of the Known World; Periodic Table of Elements; The History of Linguistics; The Errors of Wicca; Dolphins and Evolution; The History of Landover (The Apology); Landover and the Civil War; 2000 Racial Slurs.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Scientists: Genetics show that Arabs are really Christians

                            Originally posted by Ezekiel Bathfire View Post
                            Brother Ahimaaz is a genius. He is an ex-scientist. As a True Christian, he has dismissed DNA as bogus but (and there's always a "but") he has not lost his ability for mathematics - adding up the number of Commandments, Apostles or the age of the Earth; he is at the forefront.

                            What you are adding up does not matter, one may add up anything without believing in the thing. Oh, I wasn't posting in reference to Mr. Smith. I was talking about the original post in this thread. Sorry for the confusion.

                            Can I interest you in some pithy sayings by Christ?
                            No, thank you, but you're very kind to offer.
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                            • #15
                              Re: Scientists: Genetics show that Arabs are really Christians

                              Originally posted by WickedWitch View Post
                              I thought you Looney Baptists didn't believe in DNA? "Secular Pseudo-Scientific Mumbo Jumbo", and what have you. Seems to me you people called DNA a myth because it lends credence to evolution. Or is that only when DNA is used to prove something you don't like?
                              Sometimes for the purpose of debate, I will stake out a position that is accepted by modern science (DNA, evolution, relativity, etc.) to show how, if one follows that view to its logical conclusion, it leads to a huge inconsistency. That's the case here, since even by "scientific" standards the work as presented simply falls flat. That doesn't mean that I buy into the so-called science that I'm discussing. If I actually believe some piece of so-called science that I'm discussing, I'll let you know.

                              Of course, it isn't surprising to me that A-rabs have white ancestors, and you don't need a test tube to prove it, either. The colored peoples of the world have a long history of kidnapping white women for use as harem-slaves. If you've ever seen A-rab women, you'll understand why--they wear those veils because the are just butt ugly, not because their precious Allah told them to.

                              Pour out thy fury upon the heathen that know thee not, and upon the families that call not on thy name.... Jeremiah 10:25

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