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  • Brother_Percy
    Honorary True Christian™
    Forum Member
    • May 2008
    • 1359

    #1

    SCIENCE GONE MAD - Cow-Human Clones!

    THESE scientists have gone too far!

    Cow - Human Clones : Human cloning from human cell and cows egg

    World's best kept secret in cloning research

    The world's first human clone of an adult has now been made, by an American biotechnology company in Massachusetts, Advanced Cell Technology. They took a cell from Dr Jose Cibelli, a research scientist and combined it with a cows egg from which the genes had already been removed. (News November 1998)

    The genes activated and the egg began to divide in the normal way up to the 32 cell stage at which it was destroyed. If the clone had been allowed to continue beyond implantation it would have developed as Dr Cibelli's identical twin. Technically 1% of the human clone genes would have belonged to the cow - the mitochondria genes. Mitochondria are power generators in the cytoplasm of the cell. They grow and divide inside cells and are passed on from one generation to another. They are present in sperm and eggs. Judging by the successful growth of the combined human-cow clone creation it appears that cow mitochondria may well be compatible with human embryonic development.

    However the biggest piece of news is not what they did in human cloning - sensational enough - but the fact that they kept cloning secret for three years after doing it, and presumably they were trying to do it at least a couple of years before that.

    Let's wind back the clock: these scientists had already carried out successful human nuclear transfer into an unfertilised egg before Dolly the sheep clone had been made. In other words, the huge media rush about Dolly came only because the Dolly scientists in Edinburgh came clean sooner. But even they omitted to tell us anything until Dolly was seven months old, well over a year after the cloning technique was successfully carried out and a good two to three years perhaps after they began their secretive work.

    The lesson is this: today's headlines on human cloning tell us history. The big question is what's going on now? What experiments were completed in 1996, 1997 and 1998 that we won't know about until 1999 to 2001 - if then?

    there are many ethical issues. For a start it raises the biggest question of all: how many human genes does a cow or monkey have to gain before we give it human rights? In these human-cow clones one imagines every court in the world would agree that the child born would be capable of being prosecuted for murder, even though it would technically be 1% cow.

    But what about other proportions? Humonkeys are within our capability and have been for several years. Scientists have already made geep (combined sheep and goat), and camas (combined camels and lamas) simply by rolling two balls of cells together after fertilisation. Monkeys and humans have 97% of genes in common so if the right 1.6% were transferred from a human to a monkey we could land up with a monkey more human than animal.

    These questions will need facing sooner than you may think. And for the theologians another question: how many human genes does an animal have to have to need salvation? Christians, Muslims and Jews believe that humans are made in the image of God. What does that mean in the light of these extraordinary developments?
  • snottyduck
    Confirmed Enemy of God
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    • Apr 2008
    • 564

    #2
    Re: SCIENCE GONE MAD - Cow-Human Clones!

    I'm afraid that it's on the tip of the iceberg that we see, God knows how many other weird experiments are undergoing right now or have already been put on ice to use in the future.

    I find this all quite scary research with little of no real value, those resources could have been used for better things.

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    • Rev. M. Rodimer
      Honorary True Christian™
      Forum Member
      • May 2008
      • 13996

      #3
      Re: SCIENCE GONE MAD - Cow-Human Clones!

      Originally posted by Brother_Percy View Post
      THESE scientists have gone too far!
      Er, Mr. Percy (or is it Miss? I can't tell, with the long, girly hair . . . quite unbefitting for a Christian man), would it be possible to quote exciting news headlines from the current decade?

      Originally posted by Miss Percy Longhair Hippie's article
      The lesson is this: today's headlines on human cloning tell us history. The big question is what's going on now? What experiments were completed in 1996, 1997 and 1998 that we won't know about until 1999 to 2001 - if then?
      Meanwhile, from the title of the thread, I thought an attempt was underway to clone Rosie O'Donnell.
      Bible boring? Nonsense!
      Try Bible in a Year with Brother V, or join Shirlee and the kids as they discuss Real Bible Stories!
      You can't be a Christian if you don't know God's Word!

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      • Kyeb20
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        • Sep 2008
        • 26

        #4
        Re: SCIENCE GONE MAD - Cow-Human Clones!

        To be honest I think its amazing, if god did not intend us to do such things, why did he give us the ablity to do so?

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        • Ebenezer Wright
          True Christian™
          True Christian™
          • Jul 2008
          • 1021

          #5
          Re: SCIENCE GONE MAD - Cow-Human Clones!

          Originally posted by Kyeb20 View Post
          To be honest I think its amazing, if god did not intend us to do such things, why did he give us the ablity to do so?
          Idiot, God gave you the ability to eat babies and commit suicide as well, I don't suppose you do those?
          Gather around so that I can read to you from my book of TRUTH. Genesis thru Revelations....Pick one!

          Luke 12:5- But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.

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          • Kyeb20
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            • Sep 2008
            • 26

            #6
            Re: SCIENCE GONE MAD - Cow-Human Clones!

            Originally posted by Ebenezer Wright View Post
            Idiot, God gave you the ability to eat babies and commit suicide as well, I don't suppose you do those?

            Idiot? Your a bit harsh there are you not?
            Well of corse I don't commit suicide or else I would not be here dumb dumb!

            Why did God (The all mighty!) create us so so imperfect then my friend?

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            • Squidward
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              • Sep 2008
              • 36

              #7
              Re: SCIENCE GONE MAD - Cow-Human Clones!

              Look, God gave us free will. That's like telling a dog it can dig up the garden but when it does, you kick hell outta it.

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              • Ebenezer Wright
                True Christian™
                True Christian™
                • Jul 2008
                • 1021

                #8
                Re: SCIENCE GONE MAD - Cow-Human Clones!

                Originally posted by Kyeb20 View Post
                Idiot? Your a bit harsh there are you not?
                Well of corse I don't commit suicide or else I would not be here dumb dumb!

                Why did God (The all mighty!) create us so so imperfect then my friend?
                I just call them as I see them. I was being facetious you twit, OBVIOUSLY you haven't commited suicide because you CHOOSE not to. I was just making my point.

                Have you ever even heard of the Bible. How can you say He created us so imperfectly?

                God created us in HIS own image. And He even said it was good Himself.

                Genesis 1:

                27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

                31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.


                Originally posted by Squidward View Post
                Look, God gave us free will. That's like telling a dog it can dig up the garden but when it does, you kick hell outta it.
                This is stupid! God does not punish us for things He said we CAN do! HELLO!!
                Gather around so that I can read to you from my book of TRUTH. Genesis thru Revelations....Pick one!

                Luke 12:5- But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.

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                • Billybob Sunday
                  True Christian™
                  True Christian™
                  • Jul 2008
                  • 261

                  #9
                  Re: SCIENCE GONE MAD - Cow-Human Clones!

                  They made a movie about this very subject:

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                  • Kyeb20
                    Confirmed Enemy of God
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                    • Sep 2008
                    • 26

                    #10
                    Re: SCIENCE GONE MAD - Cow-Human Clones!

                    Originally posted by Ebenezer Wright View Post
                    I just call them as I see them. I was being facetious you twit, OBVIOUSLY you haven't commited suicide because you CHOOSE not to. I was just making my point.

                    Have you ever even heard of the Bible. How can you say He created us so imperfectly?

                    God created us in HIS own image. And He even said it was good Himself.

                    Genesis 1:

                    27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

                    31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.




                    This is stupid! God does not punish us for things He said we CAN do! HELLO!!
                    Considering you can not see me, it shows that you infact are an idiot.
                    So God has thoughts of murder and what not? Or you just going to blame this on satan then? How can you have a day before evening and the morning? Lol. No, god says we have free will yes? DO WHAT YOU WANT = FREEWILL.

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                    • Ezekiel Bathfire
                      Pastor for Diversity and Tolerance
                      Christ's Rottweiler
                       
                      • Jan 2008
                      • 22889

                      #11
                      Re: SCIENCE GONE MAD - Cow-Human Clones!

                      Originally posted by Kyeb20 View Post
                      Idiot? Your a bit harsh there are you not?
                      Well of corse I don't commit suicide or else I would not be here dumb dumb!

                      Why did God (The all mighty!) create us so so imperfect then my friend?
                      Originally posted by Squidward View Post
                      Look, God gave us free will. That's like telling a dog it can dig up the garden but when it does, you kick hell outta it.
                      (Dear Lord, give me patience, there are 2 of them. Who would have thought that Jesus would have brought both here at the same time?) God created us as perfect beings. We were immortal, there was no hunger or sickness, food was abundant and the weather was particularly fine being cool in the morning.

                      Then God saw Adam mooching about and thought He'd give him a wife - so He made Eve. Eve was a bimbo of the first order - she listened to the snake and ate of the Tree of Knowledge, which God had specifically said she should not do. Then, typical woman, she has Adam eat the fruit too.

                      God sees them, is mightily ticked off and expels them from Eden and makes them mortal.

                      God then tells them to obey Him in future but, so they can obey him, he gives them free will - instead of being immortal automatons, they are now people with minds. (How did you 2 get left out when they were handing brains out?)
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                      “We must reassert that the essence of Christianity is the love of obedience to God’s Laws and that how that complete obedience is used or implemented does not concern us.”

                      Author of such illuminating essays as,
                      Map of the Known World; Periodic Table of Elements; The History of Linguistics; The Errors of Wicca; Dolphins and Evolution; The History of Landover (The Apology); Landover and the Civil War; 2000 Racial Slurs.

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                      • Kyeb20
                        Confirmed Enemy of God
                        BANNED from Landover -- Aeternal Damnation Assured
                        • Sep 2008
                        • 26

                        #12
                        Re: SCIENCE GONE MAD - Cow-Human Clones!

                        Originally posted by Ezekiel Bathfire View Post
                        (Dear Lord, give me patience, there are 2 of them. Who would have thought that Jesus would have brought both here at the same time?)God created us as perfect beings. We were immortal, there was no hunger or sickness, food was abundant and the weather was particularly fine being cool in the morning.

                        Then God saw Adam mooching about and thought He'd give him a wife - so He made Eve. Eve was a bimbo of the first order - she listened to the snake and ate of the Tree of Knowledge, which God had specifically said she should not do. Then, typical woman, she has Adam eat the fruit too.

                        God sees them, is mightily ticked off and expels them from Eden and makes them mortal.

                        God then tells them to obey Him in future but, so they can obey him, he gives them free will - instead of being immortal automatons, they are now people with minds. (How did you 2 get left out when they were handing brains out?)
                        Woah, so if the world is based off two people then, how is it we are not imbread, how is it that we have different colour skins? That story makes no sence at all! It seems like a fairy tale to me to be honest. A talking snake woah! If we were created perfect beings in the first place... how is it she was such a bimbo then?

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                        • Squidward
                          Confirmed Enemy of God
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                          • Sep 2008
                          • 36

                          #13
                          Re: SCIENCE GONE MAD - Cow-Human Clones!

                          Originally posted by Ezekiel Bathfire View Post
                          (Dear Lord, give me patience, there are 2 of them. Who would have thought that Jesus would have brought both here at the same time?) God created us as perfect beings. We were immortal, there was no hunger or sickness, food was abundant and the weather was particularly fine being cool in the morning.

                          Then God saw Adam mooching about and thought He'd give him a wife - so He made Eve. Eve was a bimbo of the first order - she listened to the snake and ate of the Tree of Knowledge, which God had specifically said she should not do. Then, typical woman, she has Adam eat the fruit too.

                          God sees them, is mightily ticked off and expels them from Eden and makes them mortal.

                          God then tells them to obey Him in future but, so they can obey him, he gives them free will - instead of being immortal automatons, they are now people with minds. (How did you 2 get left out when they were handing brains out?)
                          That makes no sense what so ever. The amount of contradictions is baffling. So since God knows what is going to happen, since he has a plan, he makes a tree that he knows Eve and Adam are going to eat from that makes us what we are today and gets annoyed? Please elaborate.

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                          • Talitha
                            Deaconess
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                            • Apr 2026
                            • 15118

                            #14
                            Re: SCIENCE GONE MAD - Cow-Human Clones!

                            Originally posted by Squidward View Post
                            That makes no sense what so ever. The amount of contradictions is baffling. So since God knows what is going to happen, since he has a plan, he makes a tree that he knows Eve and Adam are going to eat from that makes us what we are today and gets annoyed? Please elaborate.
                            Originally posted by Kyeb20 View Post
                            Woah, so if the world is based off two people then, how is it we are not imbread, how is it that we have different colour skins? That story makes no sence at all! It seems like a fairy tale to me to be honest. A talking snake woah! If we were created perfect beings in the first place... how is it she was such a bimbo then?
                            See how Faith is such a wonderful thing to behold?

                            Sister Talitha

                            Markswoman, Circumcisionist, Platinum Tither.


                            HE took the damsel by the hand, and said unto her, Talitha Cumi; which is,
                            being interpreted, Damsel, I say unto thee, arise!...Mark 5:41



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                            • Squidward
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                              • Sep 2008
                              • 36

                              #15
                              Re: SCIENCE GONE MAD - Cow-Human Clones!

                              Originally posted by Talitha View Post
                              See how Faith is such a wonderful thing to behold?
                              Yes it was; until I stumbled among this forum. Thats when I lost faith.

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