[tomdstone]

Re: False Religions And Cults

that may be

And it may not be also. Until the evidence becomes substantial.
I am not sure if you can have 100% certainty of causation. It is often said that cigarette smoking causes lung cancer. There is a correlation of course and the probability of causation is high especially in the western countries. However, I know several people in Eastern Europe who were heavy smokers, but who have not died of lung cancer, and some, when they did die, died from some other cause, not lung cancer.

[Basilissa]

Re: False Religions And Cults

Drinking red wine may be correlated with some health benefits, but it does not prove that drinking red wine causes health benefits. Further, drinking red wine is correlated with an increase in certain types of cancer.

But as correlation is not causation, that may be just a meaningless correlation. OK, got it!

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: False Religions And Cults

The other two links are just for decoration, they are just meaningless assertions without actual data, so I just glanced over them without reading.

Your "scientific method" is not something endorsed in The Bible where it's identified as foolishness. But method or not, in its own terms the second link is meaningless. In the following excerpt I will highlight the salient items in yellow.

-	-	DECREASES RISK	..INCREASES RISK..
.STRONG .EVIDENCE..	.Probable––.––	.Vigorous physical activity.	.Alcoholic drinks..........

.LIMITED .EVIDENCE..

.Limited – .no.conclusion.

.Cereals (grains) and their products; dietary fibre; .potatoes; non-starchy vegetables (ER+ breast cancers); .fruits; pulses (legumes); soya and soya products; red .and processed meat; poultry; fish; eggs; fats and .oils; total fat; vegetable fat; fatty acid composition; .saturated fatty acids; mono-unsaturated fatty acids; .polyunsaturated fatty acids; trans-fatty acids; cholesterol; .sugar (sucrose); other sugars; sugary foods and drinks; .coffee; tea; carbohydrate; starch; glycaemic index; .glycaemic load; protein; vitamin A; riboflavin; vitamin .B6; folate; vitamin B12; vitamin C; vitamin D; vitamin E; .calcium supplements; iron; selenium; phytoestrogens; .isoflavones; dichlorodiphenyldichloroethylene; .dichlorodiphenyltrichloroethane; dieldrin; .hexachlorobenzene; hexachlorocyclohexane; trans- .nonachlor; polychlorinated biphenyls; acrylamide; dietary .patterns; culturally defined diets; sedentary behaviour; .adult weight gain; energy intake

.4...No threshold was identified.............................................–.... ......................

In summary, then, there's strong evidence that alcoholic drinks probably increase risk but no threshold could be identified.

No threshold means anything from a drop of Angostura bitters in fizzy water with a slice of lemon (quite refreshing) to that vintage Sauternes with your afternoon trifle or even a pint of Cocoroco before breakfast. Who knows? No threshold was identified.

Probable means that although any amount of Alcoholic drinks may or may not have an effect it also may or may not have no effect.

Could anything get more vague?

Yes.

THE BLUE SECTON

This is the blue section. It's the same chart which you can read again if you'd like but this time I'm highlighting something different. In yellow as before but with blue writing.

-	-	DECREASES RISK	..INCREASES RISK..
.STRONG .EVIDENCE..	.Probable––.––	.Vigorous physical activity.	.Alcoholic drinks..........

.LIMITED–. .EVIDENCE..

.Limited – .no.conclusion.

.Cereals (grains) and their products; dietary fibre; .potatoes; non-starchy vegetables (ER+ breast cancers); .fruits; pulses (legumes); soya and soya products; red .and processed meat; poultry; fish; eggs; fats and .oils; total fat; vegetable fat; fatty acid composition; .saturated fatty acids; mono-unsaturated fatty acids; .polyunsaturated fatty acids; trans-fatty acids; cholesterol; .sugar (sucrose); other sugars; sugary foods and drinks; .coffee; tea; carbohydrate; starch; glycaemic index; .glycaemic load; protein; vitamin A; riboflavin; vitamin .B6; folate; vitamin B12; vitamin C; vitamin D; vitamin E; .calcium supplements; iron; selenium; phytoestrogens; .isoflavones; dichlorodiphenyldichloroethylene; .dichlorodiphenyltrichloroethane; dieldrin; .hexachlorobenzene; hexachlorocyclohexane; trans- .nonachlor; polychlorinated biphenyls; acrylamide; dietary .patterns; culturally defined diets; sedentary behaviour; .adult weigh; energy intake

.4...No threshold was identified.............................................–.... ......................

That's right. Just when you thought it couldn't get any more nebulous up pop the culturally defined diets with LIMITED EVIDENCE that no conclusion could be drawn regarding risk factors. Let's start with France. Their culture defines a diet where wine is served to all family members regardless of age. Are French people at a greater or lesser risk level?

Betel nut. Not something I'm likely to include in a salad because it's not part of the diet my culture defines. It is. considered risky however and banned as an import in many countries. Is it risky for people whose culture defines the stuff as a valid dietary component?

Without dwelling on places where poisonous berries are consumed or toadstools or toxic fish, all within the aegis of a culturally defined diet, according to our source the level of risk is inconclusive and based on limited evidence even if it's 100% certain for anyone else to get cancer of everything.

The Bible was right.

I Corinthians 3:19 The wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.

____________

THE LINK.-. https://www.wcrf.org/dietandcancer/breast-cancer

THE CHART https://www.wcrf.org/sites/default/files/Premenopausal-breast-cancer-matrix.png

[tomdstone]

Re: False Religions And Cults

all of this rambling supports your original point how, exactly?

Drinking red wine may be correlated with some health benefits, but it does not prove that drinking red wine causes health benefits. Further, drinking red wine is correlated with an increase in certain types of cancer.

[Basilissa]

Re: False Religions And Cults

Yes it is true, as has been discussed many times. After a correlation has been found, further investigation is needed to determine whether or not there is a causal relation. All of this is studied in detail in many places; for example:
(snip)

Sweetie, and all of this rambling supports your original point how, exactly?

[tomdstone]

Re: False Religions And Cults

"Cause" is a really big word there Toadstone, and there's a big difference between "correlated" and "cause"....
People who moderately drink wine may have other lifestyle factors that are not controlled for in a study that increase the risk - but it may have nothing to do with the wine. Cause and effect are always tenuous with these studies because we don't know the mechanism by which wine "causes" cancer - so there is no hard and fast "proof".

Yes it is true, as has been discussed many times. After a correlation has been found, further investigation is needed to determine whether or not there is a causal relation. All of this is studied in detail in many places; for example:
Causal inference in Statistics: A Primer by Judea Pearl, et. al.
An introduction to Causal Inference by Judea Pearl, et. al.
Causality, Models, reasoning and Inference by Judea Pearl, et. al.
Probabilistic Reasoning in Intelligent systems - Networks of Plausible Inference by Judea Pearl
The Book of Why - The New Science of Cause and effect By judea Pearl, et. al. BTW, this book has won the Turing award.
A Probabilistic theory of causality, by Suppes, P.
How the laws of physics lie by Cartwright, N.
Causal inference in nonexperimental Research by H. Blalock,Jr.
Correlation and Causation, by S. Wright
and many others.BTW, the name is Tomdstone. As a bible fearing Christian, you should learn to call people by their correct name and not mock them by addressing them with a silly name. That is, if you are really a Bible fearing Christian.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: False Religions And Cults

There's certainly a lot to be said for homeschooling.

[WilliamJenningsBryan]

Re: False Religions Register

Got a problem with what the Bible says, boy? It's hard to pick an actual meaning or point out of all those logic fails.

It could be something as simple as Tourette Syndrome, but then again it would be God's punishment.

[Elmer G. White]

Re: False Religions Register

Oh also Baptist rhymes with rapist

Dear sinner,
Actually, Baptist does not rhyme with "rapist". Let us look at the pronunciations:

• Baptist - IPA: /bapˈtɪst/
• Rapist - IPA: /ɹˈe͡ɪpɪst/

As you can now see, the vowels are totally different, and in the middle of the word "Baptist" has "pt" while "rapist" has only a "p". The differences in the phonetic values of the vowels are caused by, e.g., the great vowel shift that occurred just around the time of King James and is one of the things that finally evolved peasant English into the civilized and Godly American tongue. If you look at some of the most expressive and elegant phrases of the American language, you'll know what I mean, such as the timeless "You're fired!".

Hebrews 12:28
Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:

All this makes our pastors and Church Godly and you seriously need to educate yourself.


Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[Didymus Much]

Re: False Religions Register

Jesus is a piffleing shity mother piffleing god dame slut. same with all you bitches who hate other religions, homos, and all the other god dame shit!! piffleing pissed by all this god dame mother piffleing hate on others and all you god dame mother piffleing pieces of shit!!!!! And this is coming from a 12 year old gay boy. So shame on all you god dame mother piffleing shity ass hoes. Oh also Baptist rhymes with rapist just to let you know how shity this is. I have never been so upset by some god dame religion.

Got a problem with what the Bible says, boy? It's hard to pick an actual meaning or point out of all those logic fails.

[bojoe3]

Re: False Religions Register

Jesus is a fucking shity mother fucking god dame slut. same with all you bitches who hate other religions, homos, and all the other god dame shit!! fucking pissed by all this god dame mother fucking hate on others and all you god dame mother fucking pieces of shit!!!!! And this is coming from a 12 year old gay boy. So shame on all you god dame mother fucking shity ass hoes. Oh also Baptist rhymes with rapist just to let you know how shity this is. I have never been so upset by some god dame religion.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: False Religions And Cults

Sometimes I fret over the ignorance coming from secular education. No sooner had I shared the Scripture

II Thessalonians 2:12a They all might be damned who believed not the truth..

which seems pretty unambiguous (groups comprising 0 persons are never referred to as "They all..") than right there in the very next post we got:

Originally Posted by FriendsTogether
God will accept everyone into Heaven, regardless of looks, beliefs, or interests.

Whether that's a made up "god" such as Neptune or Tekkeitsertok I don't know but what's certain is that those who reject The Truth will be damned by actual. God as He has explained for us in The Bible.

There is no other source presenting God's Perfect Love or describing how the Plan For Salvation has been revealed through history and fulfilled in Jesus Christ. There are. plenty of false doctrines but obviously they do not contain any truth so accepting them is the same as rejecting God. That's how we know that false religions and cults exist. Most people will not make it to Heaven.

Matthew 7:13b-15a Wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

[FriendsTogether]

Re: False Religions And Cults

Even the Dutch?

Even the Dutch.

[Didymus Much]

Re: False Religions And Cults

God will accept everyone into Heaven, regardless of looks, beliefs, or interests.

Even the Dutch?

[FriendsTogether]

Re: False Religions And Cults

God will accept everyone into Heaven, regardless of looks, beliefs, or interests.