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  • Re: Is Your Child A Goth?

    Originally posted by Jo Feddie View Post
    Would you care to cite them? just saying they exist does not carry any weight.
    I always based my belief on the existance of a Christus, the son of God on this:
    Suetonius (written AD 120) - "Since the [Christian] Jews were continually making disturbances at the instigation of Christus, he [Claudius] expelled them from Rome."

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    http://www.geocities.com/metacrock2000/Jesus_pages/HistJesus4.htm

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    Because the bible says so

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    Because there are there is a gnostic church with books said to contain the description of Jesus' entire life.

    That's it really, prove to me that any of those is wrong, not by interpretation but by facts, and that will convince me that there was no Christ.
    In Godes vrees te leven heb ick altyt betracht, daerom ben ick verdreven om Landt om Luyd ghebracht: maer God sal mij regeren als een goet Instrument, dat ick zal wederkeeren in mijnen Regiment.

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    • Re: Why is the Bible the ONLY True Word of God?

      Originally posted by Jo Feddie View Post
      Josephus was not there at the time (born 37 AD) so how could he have given a first person account? he just wrote up nothing the made up stories people told him. No one at the time Jesus was meant to do his stuff wrote anything about it so can't have been that great. You would think if someone was raising the dead and turning water into wine someone would have mentioned it at the time.
      How about all written first person accounts on what the apostles told.
      They are indirect first person accounts of Jesus' existence.
      In Godes vrees te leven heb ick altyt betracht, daerom ben ick verdreven om Landt om Luyd ghebracht: maer God sal mij regeren als een goet Instrument, dat ick zal wederkeeren in mijnen Regiment.

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      • Re: Is Your Child A Goth?

        Originally posted by Vincentius Pius View Post
        I always based my belief on the existance of a Christus, the son of God on this:
        Suetonius (written AD 120) - "Since the [Christian] Jews were continually making disturbances at the instigation of Christus, he [Claudius] expelled them from Rome."

        &

        http://www.geocities.com/metacrock2000/Jesus_pages/HistJesus4.htm
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        Tacitus was a Roman historian writing early in the 2nd century A.D.

        Not written at the time
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        • Re: Why is the Bible the ONLY True Word of God?

          Originally posted by Vincentius Pius View Post
          How about all written first person accounts on what the apostles told.
          They are indirect first person accounts of Jesus' existence.
          Still hearsay, not accounts written at the time.

          Raise the dead, walk on water, feed 5000 with one fish supper, these are things that if they happened someone would have noticed and made a note of at the time.
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          • Re: Why is the Bible the ONLY True Word of God?

            It doesn't matter that the accounts of jesus's life aren't firsthand accounts. All that matters is that they were selected and compiled in the 17th century by some guy who claimed that god chose him to rule England and who also apparently wasn't chosen by god to have any sons to continue ruling England. Right?

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            • Re: Why is the Bible the ONLY True Word of God?

              Originally posted by ricksic View Post
              It doesn't matter that the accounts of jesus's life aren't firsthand accounts. All that matters is that they were selected and compiled in the 17th century by some guy who claimed that god chose him to rule England and who also apparently wasn't chosen by god to have any sons to continue ruling England. Right?
              You can read about how God caused the KJV Bible to be written HERE.

              And you will kindly show respect for our Savior while posting on His favorite forum. That includes capitalizing His name.
              Who Will Jesus Damn?

              Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:

              Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)

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              • Re: Why is the Bible the ONLY True Word of God?

                Originally posted by Jo Feddie View Post
                No one at the time Jesus was meant to do his stuff wrote anything about it so can't have been that great. You would think if someone was raising the dead and turning water into wine someone would have mentioned it at the time.
                Originally posted by Jo Feddie View Post
                Raise the dead, walk on water, feed 5000 with one fish supper, these are things that if they happened someone would have noticed and made a note of at the time.
                I can understand your skepticism, but if you look closely at your argument, it's ultimately meaningless. Several extraordinary things happened to me and I've done: Astronaut Jesus appeared to me in a motel room in 1974 and healed me from my veneral diseases, I've had KGB spies dress up as grocery store workers and try to kill me while I shopped for my groceries, Elton John and the Eagles have written prophecies in songs about me that have come true, etc. etc.

                Yet, 99.999% of the world doesn't believe me. So just because something extraordinary happens, doesn't mean the rest of the world will pay attention and believe it.
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                SPACESHIP JESUS appeared to me in Astronaut form when I was staying in a motel in 1974. He then told me the TRUTH about our world and what illusions the SATANIC ALLIANCE uses to control us! To this day, I still receive SPACESHIP RADIO SIGNALS INTO MY BRAIN. Absolve yourself of your limited Matrix existence.

                Hosea 9:7
                The days of visitation are come, the days of recompence are come; Israel shall know it: the prophet is a fool, the spiritual man is mad, for the multitude of thine iniquity, and the great hatred.

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                • Re: Why is the Bible the ONLY True Word of God?

                  Originally posted by Mad Prophet Helmholtz View Post
                  Yet, 99.999% of the world doesn't believe me.
                  Have the other 0.001% been given the same medication as yourself in the past?
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                  • Re: Why is the Bible the ONLY True Word of God?

                    I'm still trying to understand how one can prove the truth of anything with the evidence coming from the article in question. Not saying I don't believe, but wouldn't it be more helpful to LBC if some effort were made to actually help people learn, as opposed to mocking them and calling them silly names? And from way back in the beginning of this post arguments were made about rules changing, etc...didn't the whole sacrifice thing change after Jesus was killed? In the Old Testament people would offer up sacrifices, and Jesus was the last one, after that you don't read about any more sacrifices, so is that not a change? Also, the other book thing, from what I understand where it says that in the Bible, historical proven fact tells us that that book was written before some of the other gospels, so should we disregard them?

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                    • Re: Is Your Child A Goth?

                      Has anyone read a book called The Jesus Papers, excellent book

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                      • Re: Is Your Child A Goth?

                        Pure blaspheme.

                        Repent now sinner, before it is too late!
                        Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
                        Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
                        Numbers 21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.
                        Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
                        Matthew 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
                        Matthew 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

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                        • Re: Why is the Bible the ONLY True Word of God?

                          Originally posted by The Hortons View Post
                          I'm still trying to understand how one can prove the truth of anything with the evidence coming from the article in question. Not saying I don't believe, but wouldn't it be more helpful to LBC if some effort were made to actually help people learn, as opposed to mocking them and calling them silly names? And from way back in the beginning of this post arguments were made about rules changing, etc...didn't the whole sacrifice thing change after Jesus was killed? In the Old Testament people would offer up sacrifices, and Jesus was the last one, after that you don't read about any more sacrifices, so is that not a change? Also, the other book thing, from what I understand where it says that in the Bible, historical proven fact tells us that that book was written before some of the other gospels, so should we disregard them?
                          You don't understand because you lack discernment. Unless and until you are Saved(c), you have no real way of comprehending God's Word.

                          John 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 8:45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
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                          Who Will Jesus Damn?

                          Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:

                          Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)

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                          • Re: Why is the Bible the ONLY True Word of God?

                            Originally posted by Pastor Ezekiel View Post
                            You can read about how God caused the KJV Bible to be written HERE.
                            thank you pastor ezekiel!

                            this is great, ive always wondered why there are a bazillion different bibles.

                            in fact, it may be why im so confused all the time about this stuff.


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                            Ezekiel 23:20: For she doted upon their paramours, whose flesh is as the flesh of asses, and whose issue is like the issue of horses.

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                            • Re: Why is the Bible the ONLY True Word of God?

                              if the bible is the "only true word of god" why are there contradictions? if god inspired the bible it would be constant.

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                              • Re: Why is the Bible the ONLY True Word of God?

                                Originally posted by the alternative View Post
                                if the bible is the "only true word of god" why are there contradictions? if god inspired the bible it would be constant.
                                Kindly post these supposed contradictions that you have uncovered, miss Bible scholar.

                                And start capitalizing words like "God" or you will be asked to leave.
                                Who Will Jesus Damn?

                                Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:

                                Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)

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