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  • Levi Jones
    Pastor of Hermeneutics and Apologetics
    Bathed in Christ's Precious Blood
    Apostle to the Cactuses, Tumbleweeds and Jackrabbits
     
    • Jul 2009
    • 13930

    #301
    Re: Why is the Bible the ONLY True Word of God?

    Originally posted by God's Nephew View Post
    The Bible, in fact KJV 1611 IS the only True word of the Lord, now how can you even question that ??
    Hello, friend. Why don't you head over to The introduction forum, so we can get to know a little bit more about you, like what Church you attend and etc.?
    Christians are superior because we possess an understanding that unbelievers lack. It is through the Power of Jesus only the converted mind is able to understand what is going on in the world; what the Communists are really up to; what Satan's intentions are. Most unbelievers do not even believe in Satan and cannot understand his tactics.

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    • Sacred Heart
      Unsaved trash, teenaged mary-worshiper
      • Oct 2009
      • 151

      #302
      Re: Why is the Bible the ONLY True Word of God?

      Originally posted by God's Nephew View Post
      The Bible, in fact KJV 1611 IS the only True word of the Lord, now how can you even question that ??
      Quite easily actually.

      No where does the Bible state the KJV is the only inspired scripture. How could it possibly be the only true word of God when it indeed was not around until 1600 years after Christs death?

      No where does the Bible state it must be written in English.

      King James has zero authority to "authorize" a bible.

      The KJV rejects the deuterocanon, which was considered inspired Scripture by the Apostles. Thus, the KJV is an incomplete bible at best.
      It's time to come Home

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      • Levi Jones
        Pastor of Hermeneutics and Apologetics
        Bathed in Christ's Precious Blood
        Apostle to the Cactuses, Tumbleweeds and Jackrabbits
         
        • Jul 2009
        • 13930

        #303
        Re: Why is the Bible the ONLY True Word of God?

        Originally posted by Sacred Heart View Post
        Quite easily actually.

        No where does the Bible state the KJV is the only inspired scripture. How could it possibly be the only true word of God when it indeed was not around until 1600 years after Christs death?
        The KJV is the only accepted Bible here unless you know Greek.
        Do you know Greek? You're welcome to post directly from the Textus Receptus if you want to, but you might get an infraction for not posting in American.


        Originally posted by Sacred Heart View Post
        No where does the Bible state it must be written in English.
        Now you're just being a troll.

        Originally posted by Sacred Heart View Post
        King James has zero authority to "authorize" a bible.
        Yes, we know how angry you catlicks are to this day over the original Protestants who spread literacy and learning throughout Europe. You're still angry that your monopoly of the Dark Ages was broken.


        Originally posted by Sacred Heart View Post
        The KJV rejects the deuterocanon, which was considered inspired Scripture by the Apostles. Thus, the KJV is an incomplete bible at best.
        Actually, the KJV1611 included all the Apocrypha. Modern KJV Bibles don't include them, because they are secular texts and do nothing to further our understanding of God's will.

        No True Christian™ is prevented from reading them for educational purposes.

        I find it funny that you mention the deuterocanon, which adds 12 books, when the full Apocrypha is 15 books.

        By your logic, your bible is incomplete as well. You guys should hurry up and add the text fragments of the Gospel of Judas Iscariot and the Gospel of Mary Magdelene while you're at it.

        One can never have too many books, right?
        Christians are superior because we possess an understanding that unbelievers lack. It is through the Power of Jesus only the converted mind is able to understand what is going on in the world; what the Communists are really up to; what Satan's intentions are. Most unbelievers do not even believe in Satan and cannot understand his tactics.

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        • Sacred Heart
          Unsaved trash, teenaged mary-worshiper
          • Oct 2009
          • 151

          #304
          Re: Why is the Bible the ONLY True Word of God?

          Originally posted by Levi Jones View Post
          The KJV is the only accepted Bible here unless you know Greek.
          Do you know Greek? You're welcome to post directly from the Textus Receptus if you want to, but you might get an infraction for not posting in American.
          You didn't answer the accusation. "The Bible itself does not declare the KJV the final authority." Your answer is that your website declares it so and, while that may be reason enough for you to stray from God, I need to see scriptural references.

          Now you're just being a troll.
          Were my statements really that difficult for you? Tell me how the KJV can be the only acceptable bible when we were told to preach to "all nations", and in Revelation people of "all tongues" were seen.

          Is that easier for you to understand?

          Yes, we know how angry you catlicks are to this day over the original Protestants who spread literacy and learning throughout Europe. You're still angry that your monopoly of the Dark Ages was broken.
          Again. You avoid what i said. Stop dancing around what scares you and face it head on.

          Fact is, KJV had no more authority to say "this bible is right" than Obama would today.

          Actually, the KJV1611 included all the Apocrypha. Modern KJV Bibles don't include them, because they are secular texts and do nothing to further our understanding of God's will.

          No True Christian™ is prevented from reading them for educational purposes.

          I find it funny that you mention the deuterocanon, which adds 12 books, when the full Apocrypha is 15 books.

          By your logic, your bible is incomplete as well. You guys should hurry up and add the text fragments of the Gospel of Judas Iscariot and the Gospel of Mary Magdelene while you're at it.

          One can never have too many books, right?
          One problem. That's not my logic. The Apocrypha is not recognized as canonical by the council of trent. Catholics recognize the deuterocanon.

          Why?

          Because it was in the Greek Septuagint. The septuagint is the orignal greek translation of the jewish bible some 200 years BC. Over 75% of all instances when the NT quotes the OT, they are quoting directly from the Septuagint. This means that the authors of the NT read and studied the Septuagint, which included the Deuterocanon.
          It's time to come Home

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          • Sacred Heart
            Unsaved trash, teenaged mary-worshiper
            • Oct 2009
            • 151

            #305
            Re: Why is the Bible the ONLY True Word of God?

            Sorry I forgot a quick point....

            All early Christians rejected the Apocrypha as uninspired scripture. This was all determined at the council of trent which officially decided which books were in the bible.

            Here's a question: Why do you trust their word on the other books of the NT but not with the Deuterocanon?
            It's time to come Home

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            • Levi Jones
              Pastor of Hermeneutics and Apologetics
              Bathed in Christ's Precious Blood
              Apostle to the Cactuses, Tumbleweeds and Jackrabbits
               
              • Jul 2009
              • 13930

              #306
              Re: Why is the Bible the ONLY True Word of God?

              Originally posted by Sacred Heart View Post
              You didn't answer the accusation. "The Bible itself does not declare the KJV the final authority." Your answer is that your website declares it so and, while that may be reason enough for you to stray from God, I need to see scriptural references.
              Since when have you pointy heads needed to see Scripture for anything?

              I would like to see Scripture for papal infallibility. I would like to see Scripture that says Peter died in Rome, but I've never gotten any.

              The reason we believe in the KJV is that it is based off the Greek texts and not the version edited edited by the whore of Babylon a.k.a the Latin Vulgate. It has also not been watered down and liberalised by fluffy bunny christains.


              Originally posted by Sacred Heart View Post
              Were my statements really that difficult for you? Tell me how the KJV can be the only acceptable bible when we were told to preach to "all nations", and in Revelation people of "all tongues" were seen.

              Is that easier for you to understand?
              You aren't very bright are you?

              It is the only acceptable English Language Bible. As for what versions are acceptable in other languages, you would have to tell me the source material it was translated from and then have a True Christian™ proficient in that language check it for errors.



              Originally posted by Sacred Heart View Post
              Again. You avoid what i said. Stop dancing around what scares you and face it head on.
              True, I'm practically shaking in my boots. You're the first catlick I have ever run across.


              Originally posted by Sacred Heart View Post
              One problem. That's not my logic. The Apocrypha is not recognized as canonical by the council of trent.
              When was the Council of Trent? Wasn't it in the 1540's-1560's? Wasn't your opening salvo whining that the KJV only came into existence less than 40 years later?

              Game, set, match. Another catlick greasestain for Jesus!
              Christians are superior because we possess an understanding that unbelievers lack. It is through the Power of Jesus only the converted mind is able to understand what is going on in the world; what the Communists are really up to; what Satan's intentions are. Most unbelievers do not even believe in Satan and cannot understand his tactics.

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              • Sacred Heart
                Unsaved trash, teenaged mary-worshiper
                • Oct 2009
                • 151

                #307
                Re: Why is the Bible the ONLY True Word of God?

                Originally posted by Levi Jones View Post
                Since when have you pointy heads needed to see Scripture for anything?
                Well if you can show me to a Catholic Doctrine, I can accept that too

                I would like to see Scripture for papal infallibility.
                The Church is Infallible
                Matthew 28:20
                - Jesus tells them: I am with you always
                Luke 10:16 - speaks with Christ's own voice
                John 14:26 - Holy Spirit is to teach and remind them of everything
                John 16:13 - guided by the Holy Spirit into all Truth
                Acts 15:28 - Apostles speak with the voice of the Holy Spirit
                1 Timothy 3:15 - Church is called the "pillar and foundation of truth"
                1 John 2:27 - anointing of the Holy Spirit remains in you


                I would like to see Scripture that says Peter died in Rome, but I've never gotten any.
                You landovers seem to like links. Here's one for you:

                Search the world's largest database of answers about the beliefs and practices of the Catholic faith. Learn more about Catholicism through articles, books, videos and more.


                NOW, show me biblical proof of Sola Scriptura.

                The reason we believe in the KJV is that it is based off the Greek texts and not the version edited edited by the whore of Babylon a.k.a the Latin Vulgate. It has also not been watered down and liberalised by fluffy bunny christains.
                What errors did you find in the Latin Vulgate?

                It is the only acceptable English Language Bible. As for what versions are acceptable in other languages, you would have to tell me the source material it was translated from and then have a True Christian™ proficient in that language check it for errors.
                Wait. I thought this website was KJV only?


                When was the Council of Trent? Wasn't it in the 1540's-1560's? Wasn't your opening salvo whining that the KJV only came into existence less than 40 years later?
                In 381 AD the Council of Rome under Pope Damusus officially established the canon of the Bible. This included the Deuterocanon but NOT the gnostic writings of the Apocrypha such as the Gospel of Peter.

                It was in the Council of Trent that this canon was reaffirmed. This reaffirmation was only necessary then because of disputes raised at that time. Until about 1500 AD, this canon went undisputed.
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                • Levi Jones
                  Pastor of Hermeneutics and Apologetics
                  Bathed in Christ's Precious Blood
                  Apostle to the Cactuses, Tumbleweeds and Jackrabbits
                   
                  • Jul 2009
                  • 13930

                  #308
                  Re: Why is the Bible the ONLY True Word of God?

                  Originally posted by Sacred Heart View Post
                  Well if you can show me to a Catholic Doctrine, I can accept that too

                  The Church is Infallible
                  Matthew 28:20
                  - Jesus tells them: I am with you always
                  Luke 10:16 - speaks with Christ's own voice
                  John 14:26 - Holy Spirit is to teach and remind them of everything
                  John 16:13 - guided by the Holy Spirit into all Truth
                  Acts 15:28 - Apostles speak with the voice of the Holy Spirit
                  1 Timothy 3:15 - Church is called the "pillar and foundation of truth"
                  1 John 2:27 - anointing of the Holy Spirit remains in you


                  You landovers seem to like links. Here's one for you:

                  http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/1999/9905fea4.asp
                  Sigh,

                  Could someone please slap this guy? He's copying and pasting from catlixs.com.

                  The only thing that gets more tiresome is atheists copying and pasting from the Skeptics Annotated Bible.


                  Originally posted by Sacred Heart View Post
                  Wait. I thought this website was KJV only?
                  We only post in English. The only English language Bible we accept is the KJV.

                  Any questions or is reading comprehension not your strong suit?

                  Originally posted by Sacred Heart View Post
                  In 381 AD the Council of Rome under Pope Damusus officially established the canon of the Bible.
                  They began working on the Latin Vulgate then.
                  The Greek Texts are much older.

                  Jesus wins again.

                  Originally posted by Sacred Heart View Post
                  It was in the Council of Trent that this canon was reaffirmed. This reaffirmation was only necessary then because of disputes raised at that time. Until about 1500 AD, this canon went undisputed.
                  Because you catlix were being called out on your heresies. It was your attempt at putting your fingers in the dyke, so to speak. It was an attempt to hold a "blue ribbon council" that comes back with the decision that the catlix were right all along.

                  Amazing isn't it?
                  Christians are superior because we possess an understanding that unbelievers lack. It is through the Power of Jesus only the converted mind is able to understand what is going on in the world; what the Communists are really up to; what Satan's intentions are. Most unbelievers do not even believe in Satan and cannot understand his tactics.

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                  • Sacred Heart
                    Unsaved trash, teenaged mary-worshiper
                    • Oct 2009
                    • 151

                    #309
                    Re: Why is the Bible the ONLY True Word of God?

                    Originally posted by Levi Jones View Post
                    Sigh,

                    Could someone please slap this guy? He's copying and pasting from catlixs.com.

                    The only thing that gets more tiresome is atheists copying and pasting from the Skeptics Annotated Bible.
                    So you have no dispute with Papal Infallibility any more?
                    Same goes for Peter being in Rome?

                    We only post in English. The only English language Bible we accept is the KJV.
                    The problem is that you deny the Deuterocanon.

                    They began working on the Latin Vulgate then.
                    The Greek Texts are much older.

                    Jesus wins again.
                    Ok. First of all the Latin Vulgate was also based on these Greek texts.

                    Second, the Council of Rome established the official canon. The "table of contents" if you will. It was at this council that the texts of the New Testament were officially declared. Without the Catholic Church, you would be at a loss for what books you consider inspired scripture.
                    It's time to come Home

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                    • Levi Jones
                      Pastor of Hermeneutics and Apologetics
                      Bathed in Christ's Precious Blood
                      Apostle to the Cactuses, Tumbleweeds and Jackrabbits
                       
                      • Jul 2009
                      • 13930

                      #310
                      Re: Why is the Bible the ONLY True Word of God?

                      Originally posted by Sacred Heart View Post
                      So you have no dispute with Papal Infallibility any more?
                      Same goes for Peter being in Rome?
                      You called it Church infallibility before. You still haven't posted Scripture that says he died in Rome or that he wanted it to be the headquarters.

                      Originally posted by Sacred Heart View Post
                      The problem is that you deny the Deuterocanon.
                      Yeah, and you call whatever texts you disagree with gnostic.

                      Originally posted by Sacred Heart View Post
                      Ok. First of all the Latin Vulgate was also based on these Greek texts.
                      And hand scribed to fit the catlick way of thinking under the supervision of the whore of babylon.

                      Originally posted by Sacred Heart View Post
                      Second, the Council of Rome established the official canon.
                      And other things that never happened. You don't think we know of your devil lies, papist?

                      Now it's my turn to copy paste.

                      "This historical synod at Rome gained additional importance long afterwards. According to a document appended to some manuscripts of the so-called Decretum Gelasianum or "Gelasian Decretal" and given separately in others, at this council the authority of the Old and New Testament canon would have been affirmed in a decretal. The document was first connected to this council of Rome in 1794,"

                      Originally posted by Sacred Heart View Post
                      The "table of contents" if you will. It was at this council that the texts of the New Testament were officially declared. Without the Catholic Church, you would be at a loss for what books you consider inspired scripture.
                      You're getting brutalized here, but it's fun to keep smacking you around.
                      Christians are superior because we possess an understanding that unbelievers lack. It is through the Power of Jesus only the converted mind is able to understand what is going on in the world; what the Communists are really up to; what Satan's intentions are. Most unbelievers do not even believe in Satan and cannot understand his tactics.

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                      • Sacred Heart
                        Unsaved trash, teenaged mary-worshiper
                        • Oct 2009
                        • 151

                        #311
                        Re: Why is the Bible the ONLY True Word of God?

                        Originally posted by Levi Jones View Post
                        You called it Church infallibility before. You still haven't posted Scripture that says he died in Rome or that he wanted it to be the headquarters.
                        Of course you know that Church Infallibility and Papal Infallibility are often interchangeable?

                        Of course I will admit to you that the Bible does not state that Peter died in Rome (History does, but this was not important to Scripture), nor does it state explicitly that God wanted Rome. However, there is an OT prophesy concerning the Papacy in Isaiah 22:15-25.

                        But I can walk you through this logically.

                        Peter was a smart guy. Of course you would know of the Roman persecutions of the time? How could they ever cease until the Roman Emperor was Christian? That is why Peter went to Rome.

                        Why did God choose Rome? Maybe because of it's central location, it's wealth and other obvious reasons. But furthermore, think of how other Christians may have seen the great conversion of Rome... a little inspiring wouldn't you say? You ever heard that God had a sense of humor? Well, by taking a pagan city and converting it to the Capital of His Church... seems pretty funny to me

                        Yeah, and you call whatever texts you disagree with gnostic.
                        Are you defending the Gospel of Thomas et. al.? Do you agree with their teachings?

                        And hand scribed to fit the catlick way of thinking under the supervision of the whore of babylon.
                        You cannot outright reject the Latin Vulgate for the mere reason that it doesn't say what you think it "should" say. That is the root of all sects of Protestantism.

                        And other things that never happened. You don't think we know of your devil lies, papist?

                        Now it's my turn to copy paste.

                        "This historical synod at Rome gained additional importance long afterwards. According to a document appended to some manuscripts of the so-called Decretum Gelasianum or "Gelasian Decretal" and given separately in others, at this council the authority of the Old and New Testament canon would have been affirmed in a decretal. The document was first connected to this council of Rome in 1794,"
                        WIKIPEDIA???

                        That is the most ridiculous support for an argument you come up with so far!!

                        Find a credible source. Then we'll talk.
                        It's time to come Home

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                        • Levi Jones
                          Pastor of Hermeneutics and Apologetics
                          Bathed in Christ's Precious Blood
                          Apostle to the Cactuses, Tumbleweeds and Jackrabbits
                           
                          • Jul 2009
                          • 13930

                          #312
                          Re: Why is the Bible the ONLY True Word of God?

                          Originally posted by Sacred Heart View Post

                          That is the most ridiculous support for an argument you come up with so far!!

                          Find a credible source. Then we'll talk.
                          Since you asked

                          In 1794 F. Arevalo, the editor of Sedulius, started the theory that the first three of these five chapters were really the decrees of a Roman Council held a century earlier than Gelasius, under Damasus, in 382 A.D. Certain MSS seemed to give this earlier document separately, and Arevalo's conclusions have been widely accepted, notably by Maassen and Zahn. Readers of this JOURNAL will remember that in vol. i pp. 554-560, Mr C. H. Turner edited from four MSS of the eighth and ninth centuries the text of these first three chapters with the title of 'The Roman Council under Damasus'. On this theory the 'Damasine' List is the earliest Conciliar Western List of the Canonical Books, a List, in fact, two years earlier than the publication of the first instalment of the Latin Vulgate. It had been Professor v. Dobschütz's intention to publish the Damasine and Gelasian forms side by side (i. e. I, II, III and III, IV, V, c. III being common to both), but in the course of his investigation he came to very different conclusions. According to v. Dobschütz all five chapters belong to the same original work, which is no genuine decree or letter either of Damasus or Gelasius, but a pseudonymous literary production of the first half of the sixth century (between 519 and 553).


                          There can, I think, be little doubt that v. Dobschütz has made out his case. The really decisive point is that in I 3, in the part most directly associated with Damasus, there is a quotation of some length from Augustine in Joh. ix 7 (Migne, xxxv 146l). As Augustine was writing about 416, it is evident that the Title Incipit Concilium Vrbis Romae sub Damaso Papa de Explanatione Fidei is of no historical value.


                          The proof that the document is not a real Decretal of Gelasius or any other Pope is almost as decisive, if not quite so startling. In the first place v. Dobschütz makes it clear (p. 213) that the shorter form I-III implies the longer form, and therefore is derived from it. Further, the short form III-V, which was supposed to contain the genuine decree of Gelasius, turns out to be a recension of the whole work, in which the phrases which refer back to I and II have been carefully suppressed or altered (p. 214). This recension appears to |471 have been made in Gaul in the seventh century (p. 399) : that known as Hormisdas, containing II-V, is a Spanish recension, but the Spaniard Isidor used chap. I, in fact he is the earliest witness to the work. Had it been an official decree of Gelasius it would have been known and used by Dionysius Exiguus and Cassiodorus.

                          You have been savagely owned yet again, papist dog.
                          Christians are superior because we possess an understanding that unbelievers lack. It is through the Power of Jesus only the converted mind is able to understand what is going on in the world; what the Communists are really up to; what Satan's intentions are. Most unbelievers do not even believe in Satan and cannot understand his tactics.

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                          • Sacred Heart
                            Unsaved trash, teenaged mary-worshiper
                            • Oct 2009
                            • 151

                            #313
                            Re: Why is the Bible the ONLY True Word of God?

                            Originally posted by Levi Jones View Post
                            Since you asked




                            You have been savagely owned yet again, papist dog.
                            You'll have to forgive me if I am missing your point here. But is what you're saying that the Council of Rome was not what declared the official canon of Scripture but rather this occurred 100 years later.

                            So... why does this matter?

                            Weren't you trying to prove somehow that the Catholic Church did not decided what was canonical? Somehow wasn't this supposed to disprove the Deuterocanon?
                            It's time to come Home

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                            • Levi Jones
                              Pastor of Hermeneutics and Apologetics
                              Bathed in Christ's Precious Blood
                              Apostle to the Cactuses, Tumbleweeds and Jackrabbits
                               
                              • Jul 2009
                              • 13930

                              #314
                              Re: Why is the Bible the ONLY True Word of God?

                              Originally posted by Sacred Heart View Post
                              You'll have to forgive me if I am missing your point here. But is what you're saying that the Council of Rome was not what declared the official canon of Scripture but rather this occurred 100 years later.

                              So... why does this matter?
                              It matters because your "church" continues to spread lies about events that never took place to this very day.

                              Originally posted by Sacred Heart View Post
                              Weren't you trying to prove somehow that the Catholic Church did not decided what was canonical? Somehow wasn't this supposed to disprove the Deuterocanon?
                              The point was to prove that the roman church had nothing to do with deciding on any canon. The earliest version of any modern canon comes from Athanasius, Bishop of Alexandria, in 367.

                              There is no mention of canon from the romans until 904 under Damasus.

                              Then, there is the fable of Ignatius that is still used as "proof" of rome's early leadership of the Church.
                              Christians are superior because we possess an understanding that unbelievers lack. It is through the Power of Jesus only the converted mind is able to understand what is going on in the world; what the Communists are really up to; what Satan's intentions are. Most unbelievers do not even believe in Satan and cannot understand his tactics.

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                              • Levi Jones
                                Pastor of Hermeneutics and Apologetics
                                Bathed in Christ's Precious Blood
                                Apostle to the Cactuses, Tumbleweeds and Jackrabbits
                                 
                                • Jul 2009
                                • 13930

                                #315
                                Re: Why is the Bible the ONLY True Word of God?

                                Originally posted by Sacred Heart View Post
                                Somehow wasn't this supposed to disprove the Deuterocanon?
                                Jerome (a well known prodigious womanizer) wanted to get rid of the Deuterocanon as he saw the books in the same light the Hebrews did. Nice works, but not Scripture.

                                The pope at the time, Damasus, was a murderer of his rival to get the job. He also put aside his wife and children to become a shining example of clerical purity.

                                So lecherous was Damasus, he was given the nickname matronarum auriscalpius or the matrons' ear-tickler. So corrupt was he that the Emporer decreed that Damasus' clergy was no longer allowed to accept gifts from widows they were bilking out of their life savings.

                                He's the one who came up with the idea of papal succession. He's also the one who insisted that they be left in the vulgate.
                                Christians are superior because we possess an understanding that unbelievers lack. It is through the Power of Jesus only the converted mind is able to understand what is going on in the world; what the Communists are really up to; what Satan's intentions are. Most unbelievers do not even believe in Satan and cannot understand his tactics.

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