[Bobby-Joe]

Re: oops...

which gospel is it?

Mark, from what I have been told the earliest existent copy dates from the late 1st century and scholars argue for it being written between 50 to 70AD.

that's not quite correct, if i may say...the first records are on egyptian temples. since he conquered egypt he became pharao and the founding father of the ptolemaic dynasty (kleopatra etc.). we have contemporary inscriptions of him. i've read them

vadkutya

Obviously with the persecution the Christians were suffering from the Jews there would be neither children or inscriptions. We are talking about writing here. Now if Arrian is considered trustworthy on Alexander why ins’t Matthew, Mark, John and James given the same leeway? I think we are seeing someone’s anti-Christian neo-pagan bigotry rear its ugly head here.

Testimonium Flavianum is from an earlier suppressed document so it wasn’t faked. The 2nd Century Christians were merely correcting Joesphus’ work from another primary source.

[vadkutya]

Re: Why is the Bible the ONLY True Word of God?

Because if you don't believe, you will not receive any proof - For God answers to no man.

if i do believe i need no proof and if i don't, the proof will not be given. so either way the doubt remains...

We've discussed this in another thread, vadkutya..
I'm surprised you still don't get it, cause you seem to be alot smarter than most of the atheists we get here.
Although they are usually borderline retarded.. or worse. No joke.

thx for the heads-up but i don't waste too much time with me, because i think i am too much a critic

Mark, from what I have been told the earliest existent copy dates from the late 1st century and scholars argue for it being written between 50 to 70AD.

oh, i see...yeah it references the destruction of the temple in jerusalem. so it can't be from earlier than 66-70 a.d. (the 1st roman-jewish war). but it's one of the earliest so it seems. but still i wouldn't say it's contemporaneous. i was just wondering why nobody, not even the romans mentioned him, that's all.

Obviously with the persecution the Christians were suffering from the Jews there would be neither children or inscriptions. We are talking about writing here. Now if Arrian is considered trustworthy on Alexander why ins’t Matthew, Mark, John and James given the same leeway? I think we are seeing someone’s anti-Christian neo-pagan bigotry rear its ugly head here.

i don't really get what you are trying to say here. i am talking about writing too. egyptian hieroglyphs are writings. and what have they to do with the persecution of the christians by the jews? and if arrian is considered trustworthy this extends not automatically to everyone. this is no argument. the last sentence is completely ununderstandable for me, i fear...who's head?

Testimonium Flavianum is from an earlier suppressed document so it wasn’t faked. The 2nd Century Christians were merely correcting Joesphus’ work from another primary source.

...but this is what you assume, right? what supressed documents? and what other primary source? can you give examples?

see you, vadkutya

[Brother Temperance]

Re: Why is the Bible the ONLY True Word of God?

i am talking about writing too. egyptian hieroglyphs are writings.

No they're not, they're pictures. Silly boy.

[Brother Guy Bayard]

Re: Why is the Bible the ONLY True Word of God?

Okay let me first say. You people are stupid fanatics. And that people like you all are the reason Christans have a bad name.

The conterdictions. Okay, how about eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth. Yet threw out the entire book it's about forgiveness. Yeah revenge is really is forgiveness.

I can't give you the passage, cuss I'm not a fanatic.

As for the Bible being the only book of Truth. What about your math book? No matter how stubborn you are 2+2=4. There's also Wit and Wisdom, by Ben Franklin, Toa Te Ching and others

As for the pure untained word of God, that the bible no longer is. Hasn't been for quiet some time. Now I can site the numerous differences between the dead sea scrolls or even the Tohra and the old testiment of the Christan bible but I'd be here all day. But here's one example that rises to mind. In the dead sea scrolls and the Tohra, the jewish bible (Well one of them, they have two) In the being Yahway createdd them. Adam and Lilith. Man and woman.

Yeah I spelled Yahway wrong. HEHEHEHEHEHEHE I can feel your hate for me already as I type. Yahway perserve me. And if you don't know who Yahway is, go read a book and find out.

You didn't just spell 'yahweh' wrong. you spelled lots of words wrong. Don't get me started on your grammar and punctuation unless you want to look like more of an ignorant retarded.
Why don't you 'cite' the 'numerous difference' between the torah and the Christian old Testament. We have all day. We will have all eternity, my friend. You will have nothing but hellfire and anal sodomy at the hands of satan. Now - cite these differences.

[SalvationSeeker]

Re: Why is the Bible the ONLY True Word of God?

if i do believe i need no proof and if i don't, the proof will not be given. so either way the doubt remains...

If you truly believe, you don't doubt, fool.
Stop arguing for the sake of arguing..

If you feel you have to reject the truth of God and His Holy Word and resort to using "logic" and "reason"..
Then atleast use those two, cause pure opinion and/or faulty logic is even worse!

[vadkutya]

Re: Why is the Bible the ONLY True Word of God?

No they're not, they're pictures. Silly boy.

ok man

If you feel you have to reject the truth of God and His Holy Word and resort to using "logic" and "reason"..
Then atleast use those two, cause pure opinion and/or faulty logic is even worse!

silly me, i though this would be logical
sry, vadkutya

[Pastor Al E Pistle]

Re: Why is the Bible the ONLY True Word of God?

ok man



silly me, i though this would be logical
sry, vadkutya

Show me where in the Bible it says for anyone to be logical.

[SalvationSeeker]

Re: Why is the Bible the ONLY True Word of God?

silly me, i though this would be logical

It wasn't.
After all, it's a FACT that someone with true (as in absolute) belief has no doubts whatsoever.
Or are you going to argue against that too?

[vadkutya]

Re: Why is the Bible the ONLY True Word of God?

It wasn't.
After all, it's a FACT that someone with true (as in absolute) belief has no doubts whatsoever.
Or are you going to argue against that too?

no certainly not. if he had any he wouldn't believe! that's why the scum we are don't believe. we have doubts

vadkutya

[SalvationSeeker]

Re: Why is the Bible the ONLY True Word of God?

no certainly not. if he had any he wouldn't believe! that's why the scum we are don't believe. we have doubts

vadkutya

So then you realize that you cannot find fault in our arguments, based directly on the teachings in the Word of God?
For all your so-called science and what not, you cannot beat us "crazy fundamentalists"?

That's Jesus for you, friend.
All of your so-called wisdom is nothing but foolishness when you come up against God and His servants.
And now that you see how wrong you are.. the PayPal button awaits your touch.
Accept Jesus TODAY!

[Peter Skulls]

Re: Is Your Child A Goth?

Yes well, being a frenchie it would be tougher for you to understand God's Divine Plan. Try reading the REAL Bible, The Holy KJV1611 Bible, the only one dictated directly by God, and you may stand a chance of grasping His love.

Surely you aren't so twisted as to imagine that a filthy sand nigra cult is somehow equivilent to Jesus?

I want to know something. You're a Christian (duh). You want to get others to follow. Do you really think that attacking them is the way to go about it? Wouldn't that scare them away from you, and then potentially away from the idea of religion in general?

And why do you feel it's necessary to refer to Middle Eastern people are Sand-Nigras? Does that not seem racist to you at all?

[SalvationSeeker]

Re: Is Your Child A Goth?

I want to know something. You're a Christian (duh). You want to get others to follow. Do you really think that attacking them is the way to go about it? Wouldn't that scare them away from you, and then potentially away from the idea of religion in general?

What do you suggest we do? Lie to them? Compenstate on God's will?!
We'd only be damning them.. Besides, we're Christians. WE DON'T LIE!
But we speak the truth in all and any situation.

Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?
Galatians 4:16

If you can't handle the truth, that's just too bad and I'll pity you and pray for you.
But God never compensates! You either live in righteousness or you perish in your sins.
What will it be?

[Peter Skulls]

Re: Is Your Child A Goth?

What do you suggest we do? Lie to them? Compenstate on God's will?!
We'd only be damning them.. Besides, we're Christians. WE DON'T LIE!
But we speak the truth in all and any situation.

Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?
Galatians 4:16

If you can't handle the truth, that's just too bad and I'll pity you and pray for you.
But God never compensates! You either live in righteousness or you perish in your sins.
What will it be?

I suggest you tell them the truth. God loves them and wants them to be with Him. He wants them to be good people, meaning they follow what we all know to be right. Don't kill, don't steal, don't cheat, don't worship whatever Gods seem "cool" at the time, and don't lie. You don't have to scare the shit out of them with promises of eternal pain, damnation, and other stuff. That's just the wrong way to go about things. In ANY situation.

[SalvationSeeker]

Re: Is Your Child A Goth?

I suggest you tell them the truth. God loves them and wants them to be with Him. He wants them to be good people, meaning they follow what we all know to be right. Don't kill, don't steal, don't cheat, don't worship whatever Gods seem "cool" at the time, and don't lie. You don't have to scare the shit out of them with promises of eternal pain, damnation, and other stuff. That's just the wrong way to go about things. In ANY situation.

No, you're suggesting that we tell them ONLY ONE SIDE OF THE COIN, THE ONE YOU LIKE, THE ONE YOU WANT US TO TEACH!
But we don't care about your opinions, only God's. So that's not happening, demon.

God wants them to love Him, and He wants to be with them:
But if they reject His love, then they are condemned to an eternity in hell!
Both are true, and if you take one out, you take away from the truth, and then you are a liar, a false teacher, and a general cheat.
And not only is that wrong, but you can't be a sinner and a Christian, it's not possible.
Consider this discussion finished.

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: Is Your Child A Goth?

You don't have to scare the shit out of them with promises of eternal pain, damnation, and other stuff. That's just the wrong way to go about things. In ANY situation.

That's what Jesus did. Do you know better than Jesus? Should I throw away my "What Would Jesus Do?" shirt and get a "What Would Peter Skulls Do?" shirt instead?

Pastor Billy-Reuben