[Sacred Heart]

Re: Why is the Bible the ONLY True Word of God?

Very well.

My claim was that a Church can only be connected to Christ through the laying of hands. HB agreed, but failed to support his claim.

Thereby, the Landover Baptist Church is connected to the apostles and directly connected to Christ.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Why is the Bible the ONLY True Word of God?

I was only offering Heather Basher a chance to defend his argument, lest he be ridiculed.

True Christians™ like Brother HB have the Holy Spirit to defend them from attacks by demons like you.

If I were you, I'd worry about my own backyard. Kneeling down to statues of Mary is about as ridiculous (and blasphemous) as it gets.

[Lola Handcock]

Re: Why is the Bible the ONLY True Word of God?

I was only offering Heather Basher a chance to defend his argument, lest he be ridiculed.

Why do you hate Jesus? You are aware of what the Bible(KJV 1611) says about worshiping false Gods ?

Why do cathreliks insist on praying to the mother of Jesus,and not to Jesus himself ? Why is it that cathreliks worship the Poop,he is but a man? He is Not GOD ?

Why do you cathreliks use candles and incense ? You do know that they attract DEMONS don't you.

Why do you cathreliks allow homersexural priests in your cult ?

[Sacred Heart]

Re: Why is the Bible the ONLY True Word of God?

I was only offering Heather Basher a chance to defend his argument, lest he be ridiculed.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Why is the Bible the ONLY True Word of God?

I'm Back

You're no more welcome now than you were before.

By the way, where were you? Off on a crack binge? A secret rendezvous with your local Mary worhiping priest?

Before changing the subject he must either clarify, support or acknowledge the fallacy in his claim.

Look boy, I have told you this before but apparently it hasn't sunk in to your thick papist skull: YOU DO NOT SET THE RULES HERE. This particular corner of the internets is a privately owned Christian forum. The rights you have on this forum are listed HERE. Please contact a Pastor if you feel that any of your rights have been violated.

[Brother Enoch]

Re: Why is the Bible the ONLY True Word of God?

I'm Back

I cannot possibly express the depth of my joy.

Before changing the subject he must either clarify, support or acknowledge the fallacy in his claim.

I'd like you to either clarify, support or acknowledge the fallacy in the claim in your sig that benedict is your Lord and God.

[Sacred Heart]

Re: Why is the Bible the ONLY True Word of God?

I'm Back

But this is a very pertinent question. Heathen Basher has made an unsupported claim, saying that your Church is connected to through the laying of hands to the Twelve.

Before changing the subject he must either clarify, support or acknowledge the fallacy in his claim.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Why is the Bible the ONLY True Word of God?

[...]However, you have not addressed why you advocate the laying of hands, and your sources do not.

You're struggling here papist sinner.

The faith of the Baptist supersedes all. This is what being a Christian means. Your outfit is obsessed with a so-called faith that the pagan rituals of a satanic Italian business conglomerate will save you from the fires of Hell - they will NOT!

We know we are correct; you try to show you are right by aping ceremony in a travesty of the Work and Life of Christ and giving vile and pointless gaudy shows that are the imperfect work of man and abominations!

We have faith; you lie and claim powers as if these are the badge of office.
We know we walk in the paths of The Lord; you try and give impressions of His perfect Way of Walking!

Get Thee behind me Satan!

[Sacred Heart]

Re: Why is the Bible the ONLY True Word of God?

Before I answer your question I have one more on the previous topic.

You support the laying of hands yes? And your claim was indeed that the ministers of your church are successors of Christ through this action.

I understand you idea that they are successors without actually "succeeding" anyone. However, you have not addressed why you advocate the laying of hands, and your sources do not.

[Meek and Humble]

Re: Why is the Bible the ONLY True Word of God?

I told you, not Apostolic succession as you define it, but we are acting in the spirit of how the Apostles acted, and there have always been Baptists since the beginning of Christianity straight through until today. Nice try though, silly pedophile priest enabler.

Now, do you care to tell me why the Bible tells us few shall be saved, but that the Catholic church is so large?

[Sacred Heart]

Re: Why is the Bible the ONLY True Word of God?

My question was: "Who else bears the right to interpret the Word but those who directly succeed the Apostles? Can your Church connect itself through the laying of hands to the Twelve? Yes or no?"

I had already answered yes.

Heathen Basher then presented a list of links that support his claim.

http://baptisthistoryhomepage.com/1811cl_mercer.html

http://www.trailofblood.com/The%20Trail%20Of%20Blood.htm

http://www.reformedreader.org/history/christian/ahob1/ahobp.htm

http://books.google.com/books?id=5whFAAAAIAAJ&dq=Lectures+on+Baptist+history++By+William+R.+Williams&printsec=frontcover&source=bl&ots=42PCqa79rT&sig=d59lkJGkEudUKwwIdBeSUnixZc0&hl=en&ei=C0X2SsPvLonWtgPxq-G0CQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAgQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=&f=false

http://doctrine.landmarkbiblebaptist.net/landmarkers.html

http://www.pbministries.org/History/J.%20R.%20Graves/Old%20Landmarkism/old_landmarkism.htm

http://www.ashcraftpublications.com/

Let's take a look at these then, shall we?

First source: http://baptisthistoryhomepage.com/1811cl_mercer.html

"Our reasons, therefore for rejecting baptism by immersion when administered by Pedobaptist ministers are:

I. That they are connected with churches clearly out of the apostolic succession, and therefore clearly out of the apostolic commission."

Second Source: http://www.trailofblood.com
/The%20Tr...Of%20Blood.htm

"Baptists do not believe in Apostolic Succession "

Third Source: http://www.reformedreader.org/histor...hob1/ahobp.htm

No mention of Apostolic Succession or laying of hands.


Fourth Source: http://books.google.com/books?id=5wh...age&q=&f=false

This is an entire book, if you would like to paraphrase the argument or list some specific pages on where the point is majorly conveyed, we can discuss.

Fifth Source: http://doctrine.landmarkbiblebaptist...ndmarkers.html

This Baptist website does advocate Apostolic Succession, which is contrary to what we see above: "Baptists do not believe in Apostolic Succession", and below, "We repudiate the doctrine of Apostolic Succession" (However, this is typical of ecclesiastic communities ). However, there is still no mention of the laying of hands, and no reasoning upon why this particular sect of protestantism is linked to the Apostles.

Sixth Source: http://www.pbministries.org/History/...andmarkism.htm

Chapter X

The Continuity of the Kingdom of Christ.

For the maintenance of the inspiration of the prophets, as well as the divinity of Christ, the Kingdom He set up must never be "broken to pieces," and the church He built must have never been prevailed against by violence or corruption—The true statement of what "Landmarkers" mean by church succession, not "apostolic succession," nor the succession of any particular church or churches, etc.

And again, no mention of the laying of hands.


Seventh Source:

http://www.ashcraftpublications.com/

"Those who oppose "church succession confuse the unthinking, by representing our position to be, that the identical organization which Christ established—the First Church of Judea—has had a continued existence until today; or, that the identical churches planted by the apostles, or, at least, some one of them, has continued until now, and that Baptist ministers are successors of the apostles; in a word, that our position is the old Romish and Episcopal doctrine of apostolic succession...We repudiate the doctrine of apostolic succession; we do not believe they ever had a successor, and, therefore, no one today is preaching under the apostolic commission any more than under that which Christ first gave to John the Baptist."


Heathen Basher it may be quite possible that I simply overlooked something, or that maybe your true argument existed only within the book you linked too, or that perhaps when you advocated that your Church leaders succeed the Apostles by the laying of hands that you didn't exactly mean that... However, I see no support for your claim of Apostolic Succession through the laying of hands from these sources.

Feel free to enlighten me

[Meek and Humble]

Re: Why is the Bible the ONLY True Word of God?

That was not the question. I don't care what "powers" you think they may or may not possess. Are they, your Church's leaders, connected to the Apostles through succession by the laying of hands? I just want simple verification. Yes or no will again suffice.

I had already answered yes.

In fact, I had already told you so months ago when you were posting from your previous account, until you got put on moderation and proceeded to create a second account, against the rules of our terms of service, though we kindly allowed you to continue posting in hopes of bringing you to salvation.

Are you really that illiterate?

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Why is the Bible the ONLY True Word of God?

That was not the question. I don't care what "powers" you think they may or may not possess. Are they, your Church's leaders, connected to the Apostles through succession by the laying of hands? I just want simple verification. Yes or no will again suffice.

Do you WANT to be banned, papist?

This is a CHRISTIAN forum. You are not welcome here.

[Sacred Heart]

Re: Why is the Bible the ONLY True Word of God?

They are not their successors in the idea that you have that they have the power to forgive sins or any power to invoke infallibility or to claim to be God's vicar on Earth.

That was not the question. I don't care what "powers" you think they may or may not possess. Are they, your Church's leaders, connected to the Apostles through succession by the laying of hands? I just want simple verification. Yes or no will again suffice.

[Meek and Humble]

Re: Why is the Bible the ONLY True Word of God?

My question was: "Who else bears the right to interpret the Word but those who directly succeed the Apostles? Can your Church connect itself through the laying of hands to the Twelve? Yes or no?"



You hereby advocate, that your Church can connect itself through the laying of hands to the original 12. Therefore, you claim the ministers of your church to be the real successors of the original 12 through the laying of hands. Are we clear on this?

They are not their successors in the idea that you have that they have the power to forgive sins or any power to invoke infallibility or to claim to be God's vicar on Earth. The Bible is the only source of knowledge, and Baptists, whether or not by that name, have always existed from the time of Jesus until today, and they follow the true teachings of the Bible, not the perverted teachings of your church you usurped the name of Christians. Did you read those links I provided? Oh right, you're too special to read thing.

Now, you would agree your church is pretty large right? The single largest Christian denomination, the largest united religious body in the world, in fact. Can I show you some Bible verses?

Matthew 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Psalm 12:1 Help, LORD; for the godly man ceaseth; for the faithful fail from among the children of men.

Isaiah 1:9 Except the LORD of hosts had left unto us a very small remnant, we should have been as Sodom, and we should have been like unto Gomorrah.

Jeremiah 5:1 Run ye to and fro through the streets of Jerusalem, and see now, and know, and seek in the broad places thereof, if ye can find a man, if there be any that executeth judgment, that seeketh the truth; and I will pardon it.

Philippians 3:18 (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:
3:19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)

1 Peter 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

Matthew 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

2 Peter 2: 4For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
5And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
6And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;
7And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:
8(For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds
9The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:
10But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.

Revelation 3:2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God. 3:3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
3:4 Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.