[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Why is the Bible the ONLY True Word of God?

God makes no compromise and takes no prisoners.

(Actually, he did compromise of Sodom and Gomorrah but the result was the same as if He hadn't.)

[Nobar King]

Re: Why is the Bible the ONLY True Word of God?

There is some inappropriate language in some of the above posts. Please try to keep it civil, people. This is a family forum.

[Sacred Heart]

Re: Why is the Bible the ONLY True Word of God?

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[Sacred Heart]

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Very well. I will accept this as an admission of defeat on the part of Landover.

[Meek and Humble]

Re: Why is the Bible the ONLY True Word of God?

It's an admission that you were writing the exact same thing for the 100th time and taking up too much of our bandwidth.

Now, can I ask you something? Why is the Catholic Church the only true representative of God on earth?

[Meek and Humble]

Re: Why is the Bible the ONLY True Word of God?

I guess the sinner is too afraid to answer the question. Let's see his logic.

The Bible cannot be the only true word of God because it is only validated by the Bible, and thus it is circular logic.

Now, he believes the Catholic Church is in fact the ultimate authority, even so far as having said the Bible is only sacred because the Church says it is. Now, why does he say the Church is the supreme authority? Because the church tells him that they are, and thus it's circular logic

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Why is the Bible the ONLY True Word of God?

The strange thing is with the atheists' cry of "circular logic"; they never say the same about autobiographies.

Do we find autobiographies in the fiction section at our libraries? No.

Do so-called learned men quote from these tomes with authority? Yes.

Is not the Bible the autobiography of God?

[Sacred Heart]

Re: Why is the Bible the ONLY True Word of God?

The answers to these questions will be long and, God forbid, may take up too much of your "bandwidth".

However, I will proceed anyway. But know that if my next post is deleted or altered in any way from it's original, that Landover thereby concedes that it cannot face truth when confronted with it.

Now, these questions require detailed answers, but I hope to have them posted by later this evening.

[Meek and Humble]

Re: Why is the Bible the ONLY True Word of God?

Translation = I need time to ask my priest for some good lies.

[Sacred Heart]

Re: Why is the Bible the ONLY True Word of God?

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The strange thing is with the atheists' cry of "circular logic"; they never say the same about autobiographies.

Do we find autobiographies in the fiction section at our libraries? No.

Do so-called learned men quote from these tomes with authority? Yes.

Is not the Bible the autobiography of God?

In a way, this could be an analogy for the bible, yes.
However, there is a couple of differences between this particular auto-biography and all others:
1)We gamble our eternal life on its truth.
2)It was written 2000 years ago.

In today’s day and age, autobiographies can hardly be stretched or exaggerated. There’s always people looking with a critical eye at everything you do, and with methods such as the internet and long-distance communication, any falsified information would be rendered invalid almost immediately. Who in their right minds today would attempt to forge their own autobiographical lie? Indeed, any attempt would be revealed immediately and the author made the fool. Whether you acknowledge it or not, every book you read has been scrutinized by someone for lies. The fact of the matter is however, that these stories can be backed up easily. And also, we don’t gamble our eternal life on their truth.

However, the Bible makes a different claim than such simple autobiographies. It claims to be divine. It requires your obedience and connects you with a divine being. Furthermore, it is the compilation of many numerous writers, and compiled by countless more. It may be written by God, but it was certainly not written together as an autobiographical work. I will ask you the same question I posted for Levi:

1) Forget Catholicism for a moment. Imagine its the early fourth century, you're trying to compile Sacred Scripture along with a Council of early Christians. Now tell me this:

"...there is no way to determine using Scripture alone exactly what is included within confines of Scripture. All that can be determined through Sola Scriptura is that the Bible claims to be the Word of God, and therefore it must be so. However, this essay is of the same substance as the Bible, ground up trees and ink, and makes the same claim, “This is the Word of God”. How then, can writings such as this essay be infallibly excluded from the canon of Scripture unless there is an “inspired” table of contents?"

Demonstrate how you would conclude that this essay of mine is not the Word of God, then tell me what gave you such an authority to do so?

I guess the sinner is too afraid to answer the question. Let's see his logic.

The Bible cannot be the only true word of God because it is only validated by the Bible, and thus it is circular logic.

Now, he believes the Catholic Church is in fact the ultimate authority, even so far as having said the Bible is only sacred because the Church says it is. Now, why does he say the Church is the supreme authority? Because the church tells him that they are, and thus it's circular logic

This is my logic:

Bible->Church->Apostles->Jesus->God

There is no circle, I merely take what is defined as Scripture by the Church, connect it through Apostolic Succession to the original Twelve, then of course to Christ and then the Father.

It's an admission that you were writing the exact same thing for the 100th time and taking up too much of our bandwidth.

Now, can I ask you something? Why is the Catholic Church the only true representative of God on earth?

Who else bears the right to interpret the Word but those who directly succeed the Apostles? Can your Church connect itself through the laying of hands to the Twelve? Yes or no?

[Meek and Humble]

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Can your Church connect itself through the laying of hands to the Twelve? Yes or no?

Yes.

http://baptisthistoryhomepage.com/1811cl_mercer.html

http://www.trailofblood.com/The%20Trail%20Of%20Blood.htm

http://www.reformedreader.org/history/christian/ahob1/ahobp.htm

http://books.google.com/books?id=5whFAAAAIAAJ&dq=Lectures+on+Baptist+history++By+William+R.+Williams&printsec=frontcover&source=bl&ots=42PCqa79rT&sig=d59lkJGkEudUKwwIdBeSUnixZc0&hl=en&ei=C0X2SsPvLonWtgPxq-G0CQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAgQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=&f=false

http://doctrine.landmarkbiblebaptist.net/landmarkers.html

http://www.pbministries.org/History/J.%20R.%20Graves/Old%20Landmarkism/old_landmarkism.htm

http://www.ashcraftpublications.com/

[Sacred Heart]

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My question was: "Who else bears the right to interpret the Word but those who directly succeed the Apostles? Can your Church connect itself through the laying of hands to the Twelve? Yes or no?"

Yes.

You hereby advocate, that your Church can connect itself through the laying of hands to the original 12. Therefore, you claim the ministers of your church to be the real successors of the original 12 through the laying of hands. Are we clear on this?

[Lola Handcock]

Re: Why is the Bible the ONLY True Word of God?

Missy Cathrelik, If I was you I would be more worried about them homer preists you got and WHERE their hands are !

[Meek and Humble]

Re: Why is the Bible the ONLY True Word of God?

My question was: "Who else bears the right to interpret the Word but those who directly succeed the Apostles? Can your Church connect itself through the laying of hands to the Twelve? Yes or no?"



You hereby advocate, that your Church can connect itself through the laying of hands to the original 12. Therefore, you claim the ministers of your church to be the real successors of the original 12 through the laying of hands. Are we clear on this?

They are not their successors in the idea that you have that they have the power to forgive sins or any power to invoke infallibility or to claim to be God's vicar on Earth. The Bible is the only source of knowledge, and Baptists, whether or not by that name, have always existed from the time of Jesus until today, and they follow the true teachings of the Bible, not the perverted teachings of your church you usurped the name of Christians. Did you read those links I provided? Oh right, you're too special to read thing.

Now, you would agree your church is pretty large right? The single largest Christian denomination, the largest united religious body in the world, in fact. Can I show you some Bible verses?

Matthew 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Psalm 12:1 Help, LORD; for the godly man ceaseth; for the faithful fail from among the children of men.

Isaiah 1:9 Except the LORD of hosts had left unto us a very small remnant, we should have been as Sodom, and we should have been like unto Gomorrah.

Jeremiah 5:1 Run ye to and fro through the streets of Jerusalem, and see now, and know, and seek in the broad places thereof, if ye can find a man, if there be any that executeth judgment, that seeketh the truth; and I will pardon it.

Philippians 3:18 (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:
3:19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)

1 Peter 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

Matthew 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

2 Peter 2: 4For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
5And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
6And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;
7And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:
8(For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds
9The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:
10But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.

Revelation 3:2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God. 3:3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
3:4 Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.

[Sacred Heart]

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They are not their successors in the idea that you have that they have the power to forgive sins or any power to invoke infallibility or to claim to be God's vicar on Earth.

That was not the question. I don't care what "powers" you think they may or may not possess. Are they, your Church's leaders, connected to the Apostles through succession by the laying of hands? I just want simple verification. Yes or no will again suffice.