Hypnosis

[JamesRandallFarmer]

Hello Good People,

I won't try to convince anyone that hypnosis is real, or what it can do. This thread is not about that. However, I have a question involving a popular conception of hypnosis.

Imagine if hypnosis could be used to alter a person's beliefs. Consider if it were possible to hypnotize a white man believe he is black, or to make a homosexual believe she is heterosexual, etc.

In this hypothetical situation, assuming it were possible, would it be good to hypnotize every human being to literally believe in the (KJV of course) Bible?

[James Hutchins]

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No, it would not be good. The person's inside demons would be at war for the persons soul. God would see though the deception and know the person was not a True Christian. It would be cruel because the person would believe they are a True Christian until they find themselves spiraling down into the fires or eternal Hell.

Hypnotizing a person to think they are a Christian is like artificial sweetener. It is just plain wrong.

[Nobar King]

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Are you really RJF or are you impersonating him?

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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I agree with Brother Hutchins. How can God appreciate praise if it is done in an altered mind state? Why! It would be like some brainwashed idiot spouting out what he had been told to believe by some charlatan in authority.

[James Hutchins]

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I agree with Brother Hutchins. How can God appreciate praise if it is done in an altered mind state? Why! It would be like some brainwashed idiot spouting out what he had been told to believe by some charlatan in authority.

You've hit the nail right on the head! I wish I had said that.

[JamesRandallFarmer]

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Good Christians,

I am sorry for the ambiguous and ineffective manner in which I posted my topic. I promise I will go back and read the Noobs' section again before I post another. In retrospect, I should have been sure to include the following ideas.

First, all of the replies so far have assumed that hypnosis would not actually cause belief, but rather would cause only the appearance of belief. This was not an intentional stipulation. All rational people know that hypnosis could never actually change a person's beliefs, but this question was meant to be framed in the hypothetical situation in which it could. I have only myself to blame for not specifying this more distinctly.

Secondly, I am still very pleased with the congregation and I do not wish to imply any dissatisfaction with anyone but myself, but I must admit that I was hoping for Biblical scriptures to support the opinions being expressed. I apologize that my topic has been so ill-conceived that it has not naturally elicited such. Again, I acknowledge that I have only myself to blame for my poor communication skills in this respect.

Thank you for your patience with me. I still have much to learn.

And once again, thank you for just being you. You are all so wonderful, I am perpetually delighted that you tolerate my presence.

Keep the faith!

[James Hutchins]

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The idea of bamboozling a person is wrong.
Per Brother Bathfire

It would be like some brainwashed idiot spouting out what he had been told to believe by some charlatan in authority.

I'll give you a hint:
"False Witness"

Go read your KJKV1611 Bible. It is good for you.

[JamesRandallFarmer]

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The idea of bamboozling a person is wrong.
Per Brother Bathfire


I'll give you a hint:
"False Witness"

Go read your KJKV1611 Bible. It is good for you.

Oh Brothers Hutchins, Nobar, and Bathfire, I owe you all a huge apology! It took a while to sink in, but now I see the folly of my question.

Still, no matter how foolish I am, I always feel very wise when I finally understand the point of view being explained to me. If I can avoid being banished for a few more years, I'm sure I'll eventually be able to add some interesting thoughts for you good people to ponder.

To answer your question, Brother Nobar, albeit somewhat nonsensically, I would say both that I really am JRF and that I am also impersonating JRF. Please chalk up this confusion to my myriad crippling mental diseases, one of which is no less than atheism.

And Brother Hutchins, thank you for your excellent advice. I will certainly read my Bible a bit more before I waste any more of this good congregation's time.

Thank you again!

[James Hutchins]

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JamesRandallFarmer, are you female perchance? Something has to explain the daftness. Do you drink the Demon Alcohol? A drug problem? An industrial accident? Oxygen starvation at birth?

[JamesRandallFarmer]

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JamesRandallFarmer, are you female perchance? Something has to explain the daftness. Do you drink the Demon Alcohol? A drug problem? An industrial accident? Oxygen starvation at birth?

Brother Hutchins,

I must say that I am not, nor have I ever been female. I have never heard anything about being starved of oxygen, but I must admit it is possible. I'm pretty sure I've never had an industrial accident (that affected my thinking ability.) I also wouldn't say that I have a drug or alcohol problem, unless you'd consider daily use to be a problem.

To cut to the chase, I think the most satisfying answer is that I may be mildly autistic. I have heard the opinion that I may have Asperger's Syndrome. Whatever the case, I certainly must admit that I do not seem to possess the mental faculties of normal human beings.

Thank you so much for asking about me! I do love attention, and while I feel it may be unwarranted, I accept it gladly when I can. To be honest, this is more than I should have expected, yet I still dared to hope.

Brother Hutchins, you are a wonderful person, and I deeply enjoy reading your comments when I encounter them. I do not wish to single you out, for I feel the entire congregation here is worthy of high praise also. However, I can only speak to what I have seen, and I have seen your wisdom first-hand in many situations.

Thank you again for indulging me. I promise I will try harder to earn it in the future so you don't feel you should give me attention out of pity. (Though, like I said, I'll definitely accept pity attention if it is offered!)

Wonderful LBC, please never change!

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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Hello Good People,

I won't try to convince anyone that hypnosis is real, or what it can do. This thread is not about that. However, I have a question involving a popular conception of hypnosis.

Imagine if hypnosis could be used to alter a person's beliefs. Consider if it were possible to hypnotize a white man believe he is black, or to make a homosexual believe she is heterosexual, etc.

In this hypothetical situation, assuming it were possible, would it be good to hypnotize every human being to literally believe in the (KJV of course) Bible?

Jimmie, how old are you, really? Do you spend lots of time reading comic books and playing with your tallywacker? What exactly do you want here on God's favorite forum?

[Buford T Scoggins]

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Using hypnosis to save souls? Well, I don't know. This is one them thar deep, complicated intellectual questions.

But speaking of hypnosis - just last Sunday on the abortion clinic picket line, I met this sweet little thang who told me she wanted to quit smoking. Being a kindhearted loving Christian, I agreed to help her, using hypnosis.

After the picket (which included throwing balloons filled with pig's blood at sluts entering the clinic - gosh, I just love that!), I invited said sweet little thang to the back room of our church where I told her that I had a Ph.D in hypnosis. I assured her that there was nothing to be afraid of, and that she wouldn't remember a thing.

Of course, the five roofies I put in her Coke assured that she didn't remember.

I don't want to say any more, except that she's still smoking. And boy, did she smoke while I had her "hypnotized," if you know what I mean. Haw haw!

By the way, I might have to be leaving town for awhile, but I'll keep in touch by email.

Pro-Life in Texas,
Brother Buford

[*Genesis*]

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I have had a really bad experience with being hypnotized. I don't think its appropriate to say on this forum though.

[JamesRandallFarmer]

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Jimmie, how old are you, really? Do you spend lots of time reading comic books and playing with your tallywacker? What exactly do you want here on God's favorite forum?

Oh Pastor Ezekiel,

That's actually a big question. I mean, the last question is. The first two can be answered pretty simply.

I'm really 36, but most people consider me quite naive or inexperienced for my age. People who don't like me generally consider me to be simple-minded. I tend to act like a young person too. I also look about 10 or 15 years younger than I am, which adds to the effect.

If you replace "reading comic books" with "playing video games" then you'd have yourself a big yes to the second. I believe that's a huge contributing factor to why I haven't had a serious girlfriend in about 15 years.

Like I said, the last question is kinda big. But I'll try to sum it up into a small answer to tide you over for right now. I want experience and human interaction with strong effective personalities. Of course, that is to say that I want to adventure and raise levels!

I really love this place so much. I understand if I'm too disruptive and I need to be dealt with. In fact, I can immensely appreciate that level of precision. But I really do try to be fairly benign.

Thank you for asking a little more about me. I'd like to come back later and post a longer more detailed answer to that third question.

Pastor Ezekiel, I greatly admire your ability to get to the heart of the matter and find the important details!

Be well everyone!

[JamesRandallFarmer]

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What I want from LBC, Part II

Pastor Ezekiel,

The opinions expressed on this message board are unpopular and unapologetic. I broached this opinion in my introductory thread. I also said that I strongly disagreed with most of these opinions.

Then I said that it thrilled me to read these ideas and believe that people believed them, and I said that I loved all that I had seen here, and I loved all the users, be they for or against.

I could see how this could be confusing. Usually people are supposed to be upset when they see ideas they don't agree with. I must admit that I don't think in very familiar ways.

You see, scientifically speaking, there is great energy where there is great difference in potential. When a strong negative charge comes in contact with a strong positive charge, something is going to happen. (I know that science is not be trusted, unlike the Bible; I am just describing it as best I can from my flawed perspective.)

On top of this, I believe I understand much of the ground being fought for here. I was raised KJV1611, whether I understood that I was or not. In fact, as my perspective matured over the years, I have seen more and more beauty and genuine wisdom in the Bible. If I had had a more open heart when I was young, I would likely be a KJV1611 Christian today. I won't claim to be a scholar, but I have read quite a bit of it, and I often think of Biblical stories and proverbs in my everyday life.

I want to believe that I'm in the midst of a timeless battle, and I'm seeing strong warriors fighting over a territory that neither side can afford to lose. (Though so far the strongest warriors seem to be on the Christian side, which is extremely satisfying to me although I make a point of mentioning that I'm an atheist in almost every post.)

I seek to gain in wisdom and potency. The most natural way I can think of is to observe the activities of strong warriors in constant battle, and engage in it myself where I have a reasonable chance of crawling away beaten and bloody to fight again another day.

I'm also quite refreshed to be away from the pandering of the Atheist message boards where godless heathens affirm each other and use that as proof of their intellectual superiority. To be honest, there have been many more Christians I considered genuinely intelligent than there have been atheists.

When I first rebelled against God, I tried to proselytize, and "convert" people to atheism. Then I realized that I was doing at least as much harm as good. Arguing was pointless. No one learned anything. No one became a better person. In time, I began to even regret the very few successes I had, because it began to seem to me that believing in something strongly is much more important than the specifics of what you believe in.

I am therefore attracted to strong belief. And despite what the "vandals" might want me to believe about Landover Baptist Church, I can still convince myself that there is genuine strong belief floating around here. I don't think anyone can deny that there is a lot of energy here, strong human feelings, passion, and heartfelt seeking.

I'm not going to try to convince anyone that I deserve to be tolerated on the merits of what I just said. That's not a battle I can win, and I know it. In fact, participating on this message board is much like learning the oriental game of Go, which I recently started learning. There is a proverb in Go: "Lose your first hundred games quickly." Then there's another Asian proverb: "Fall seven times, get up eight times."

I'm not exaggerating when I explain my deep appreciation for what you fine folks do here, nor am I seeking favors when I claim to love you all. I am sincerely just glad to have found this place, and glad to somehow be a part of it in my own clumsy way. I will relish it until I am inevitably banished for my self-serving God-denying ways.

Thank you all! It is my sincere pleasure to intertwine my destiny with yours!