Would You Call This A Heresy?

[Billy Ram]

Jesus is the Creator, He is the same entity as the Lord God in the O.T.

God the Father is not the Creator of this world but He is the Father of the Lord Jesus/Jehovah.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Would You Call This A Heresy?

Jesus is the Creator, He is the same entity as the Lord God in the O.T.

God the Father is not the Creator of this world but He is the Father of the Lord Jesus/Jehovah.

Please post the relevant Scripture that leads you to this conclusion.

[David Goldman]

Re: Would You Call This A Heresy?

Jesus is the Creator, He is the same entity as the Lord God in the O.T.

God the Father is not the Creator of this world but He is the Father of the Lord Jesus/Jehovah.

Yes, that would heresy. The Bible makes it very clear that the Trinity as a whole and each part of the Trinity were active participants in creation.

Trinity: Genesis 1:
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Holy Spirit -- Genesis 1:
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Jesus -- John 1:
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

The Father -- Psalms 33:
6 By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.

[Billy Ram]

Re: Would You Call This A Heresy?

Jesus is the Creator, He is the same entity as the Lord God in the O.T.

God the Father is not the Creator of this world but He is the Father of the Lord Jesus/Jehovah.

Please post the relevant Scripture that leads you to this conclusion.

Jesus is the Old Testament Creator God.

John 8:58 - Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Exodus 3:14 - And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

The Father is rarely mentioned in the O.T.

Psalm 110:1 - The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

The first 'Lord' is the Father. The second 'Lord' is the Son.

Also in John 1:1 - The Word is with God and also was God.

The Bible teaches polytheism.

[David Goldman]

Re: Would You Call This A Heresy?

The Father is rarely mentioned in the O.T.

What are you talking about? Almost all mentions of God in the OT relate to the Father. He is referred to as LORD. When Jesus is referred to in the OT, it is almost always in prophesy; and when the Holy Spirit is referenced to, it is almost always as "The Spirit of God".

As far as creation, David says flat out in Psalms 8 that God the Father is the creator, verse 3 in particular. He also clearly differentiates between the Father and Son in the prophetic verse 4 on.

1 O LORD, our Lord, how excellent is thy name in all the earth! who hast set thy glory above the heavens.
2 Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings hast thou ordained strength because of thine enemies, that thou mightest still the enemy and the avenger.
3 When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained;
4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him?
5 For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour.
6 Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; thou hast put all things under his feet:
7 All sheep and oxen, yea, and the beasts of the field;
8 The fowl of the air, and the fish of the sea, and whatsoever passeth through the paths of the seas.
9 O LORD our Lord, how excellent is thy name in all the earth!

I am curious where you are trying to go with this? Trinity theology is pretty straight forward: The Holy Spirit exists to edify the Son, and the Son exists to edify the Father. Each is separate, yet all are the same One True God. Together as One they created the world, and together as One they rule the universe from the beginning and forever more.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Would You Call This A Heresy?

Jesus is the Old Testament Creator God.

John 8:58 - Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Exodus 3:14 - And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

The Father is rarely mentioned in the O.T.

Psalm 110:1 - The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

The first 'Lord' is the Father. The second 'Lord' is the Son.

Also in John 1:1 - The Word is with God and also was God.

The Bible teaches polytheism.

Which hatesite are you plagarizing from?

Do you understand the concept of the Holy Trinity?

[Billy Ram]

Re: Would You Call This A Heresy?

Which hatesite are you plagarizing from?

Do you understand the concept of the Holy Trinity?

The word 'Trinity' is not found in the Bible and let's not forget that the Catholic Church promotes this doctrine.

Jesus is 'The Word'. 'The Lord God' in the O.T. speaks to men and gives them the Law of Moses. We all agree that Jesus is God and 'The Lord' in the O.T. is God. Now correct me if I'm wrong but I don't remember the title 'God the Father' being used in the Old Testament.

My idea is that maybe the Lord God/Jesus Christ is the 'Son of God' but he is a different entity then 'The Father'. There are some references to 'The Father' in the O.T. but the 'Lord God' is actually 'The Son'. 'The Father' is more clearly revealed by Jesus in the N.T.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Would You Call This A Heresy?

The word 'Trinity' is not found in the Bible and let's not forget that the Catholic Church promotes this doctrine.

Jesus is 'The Word'. 'The Lord God' in the O.T. speaks to men and gives them the Law of Moses. We all agree that Jesus is God and 'The Lord' in the O.T. is God. Now correct me if I'm wrong but I don't remember the title 'God the Father' being used in the Old Testament.

My idea is that maybe the Lord God/Jesus Christ is the 'Son of God' but he is a different entity then 'The Father'. There are some references to 'The Father' in the O.T. but the 'Lord God' is actually 'The Son'. 'The Father' is more clearly revealed by Jesus in the N.T.

As we pointed out before just because you can't do a word search of The Bible and find "trinity" doesn't mean the word "trinity" isn't there.

Do you seriously expect God to be easily understandable by the human mind?

[Billy Ram]

Re: Would You Call This A Heresy?

As we pointed out before just because you can't do a word search of The Bible and find "trinity" doesn't mean the word "trinity" isn't there.

Do you seriously expect God to be easily understandable by the human mind?

On second thought I might be mistaken. In 1 Cor. 8:5-6 the KJV says,

For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) but to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

I was wrong then because there is only one God, the Father. Jesus Christ is the one Lord.

I admit my error but I still think the Trinity doctrine is false and unbiblical.