[Johnnyboy]

Re: Phillip Craig Garrido: Voices of Angels in Mind of Rapist

If he did, in fact, lie with the daughters he fathered with this wench, wouldn't that be considered a sin?

Leviticus 18:17
Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of a woman and her daughter, neither shalt thou take her son's daughter, or her daughter's daughter, to uncover her nakedness; for they are her near kinswomen: it is wickedness.


That being the case, he can pay the 50 shekels to the original father and avoid stoning, but God will punish him anyway. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. This is a very confusing situation.

Thanks,

Johnny

[eliot mayfield]

Re: Phillip Craig Garrido: Voices of Angels in Mind of Rapist

If he did, in fact, lie with the daughters he fathered with this wench, wouldn't that be considered a sin?

Leviticus 18:17
Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of a woman and her daughter, neither shalt thou take her son's daughter, or her daughter's daughter, to uncover her nakedness; for they are her near kinswomen: it is wickedness.


That being the case, he can pay the 50 shekels to the original father and avoid stoning, but God will punish him anyway. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. This is a very confusing situation.

Thanks,

Johnny

Or if he had uncovered the nakedness of her mother.

[David Goldman]

Re: Phillip Craig Garrido: Voices of Angels in Mind of Rapist

Wait just a minute. I see people wailing and gnashing their teeth, but I don't see gospel! Maybe some of our members have been swayed by sensationalism.

Fair enough. I'm guilty of jumping to conclusions before all of the facts are in. I guess we don't know if it was really a kidnapping, or if it was a consensual elopement yet. And there weren't any deaths involved, although, Judges chapter 21 makes provisions for that as well. And yes, the stepfather does have a lot to answer for still. Maybe he accepted the bride payment all those years ago, and selfishly spent it on himself without telling anyone.

[Dwayne DeKalb]

Re: Phillip Craig Garrido: Voices of Angels in Mind of Rapist

I think Mr. Garrido is unfairly being persecuted by the media and all these lynchmob types. He is not a monster or a deviant by any means. He saved a little girl from a broken home. Maybe if Garrido didn't take the moral high ground, little Jaycee would've lived a worse life with her parents, taking drugs, whoring around, doing porn, and stealing money.

The simple fact is this: Mr. Garrido provided a safe, stable, loving home for Jaycee for nearly two decades. He provided for her and made sure she had a place to sleep every night. He gave her food and clothing. Most importantly, he gave her two beautiful little girls.

All of you should be ashamed for judging Mr. Garrido. Doesn't the Bible say "THOU SHALT NOT JUDGE?" You seem to have forgotten that part huh?

I will pray for Mr. Garrido and his caring wife who only wanted to help raise a little daughter-wife. This man did not commit any crime. The only crime being committed here is JUDGEMENTALISM.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Phillip Craig Garrido: Voices of Angels in Mind of Rapist

I think Mr. Garrido is unfairly being persecuted by the media and all these lynchmob types. He is not a monster or a deviant by any means. He saved a little girl from a broken home. Maybe if Garrido didn't take the moral high ground, little Jaycee would've lived a worse life with her parents, taking drugs, whoring around, doing porn, and stealing money.

The simple fact is this: Mr. Garrido provided a safe, stable, loving home for Jaycee for nearly two decades. He provided for her and made sure she had a place to sleep every night. He gave her food and clothing. Most importantly, he gave her two beautiful little girls.

All of you should be ashamed for judging Mr. Garrido. Doesn't the Bible say "THOU SHALT NOT JUDGE?" You seem to have forgotten that part huh?

I will pray for Mr. Garrido and his caring wife who only wanted to help raise a little daughter-wife. This man did not commit any crime. The only crime being committed here is JUDGEMENTALISM.

And how are we supposed to deal with the issue of theift here. Ok Garrido stole from some thieves (the mother and the step mother) but at best that makes him an accessory to the rape of this man's daughter.

I think it is crystal clear who the real cause of all this trouble; the mother. If she had staid with her husband like Jesus wanted this girl would have never ended up in the care of that failure of step-father who flaunted her so brazenly public as bait for some sicko like Garrido.

[ItHurtsWhenIPee]

Re: Phillip Craig Garrido: Voices of Angels in Mind of Rapist

Man wht is WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE!?!!!?!?!!? this little CHILD yes child was kindnapped and raped by two adults. she is a vicitim but you people treat her like she is PROPERTY? That she should MARRY THIS PERVERT? That she should be STONED???

I swear you people make me sick!!!! I think you people are worse than this Phillip Garrido man. Yes i think he is mentally ill and needs help but it doesnt escuse him from the CRIME HE COMMITTED!!! but what is your defense? you know what you are doing wrong and you are like those holocaust deniers.

Maybe you people should read the Bible parts where Jesus says to LOVE EVERYONE and not judge them. God said we dont have to follow the old testament anymore that is why there are no more stonings or forced marriages. it is now 2009. GOD SAYS "MOVE ON!". That is why Jesus died so we didnt have to follow the old testament anymore.

[eliot mayfield]

Re: Phillip Craig Garrido: Voices of Angels in Mind of Rapist

Man wht is WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE!?!!!?!?!!? this little CHILD yes child was kindnapped and raped by two adults. she is a vicitim but you people treat her like she is PROPERTY? That she should MARRY THIS PERVERT? That she should be STONED???

I swear you people make me sick!!!! I think you people are worse than this Phillip Garrido man. Yes i think he is mentally ill and needs help but it doesnt escuse him from the CRIME HE COMMITTED!!! but what is your defense? you know what you are doing wrong and you are like those holocaust deniers.

Maybe you people should read the Bible parts where Jesus says to LOVE EVERYONE and not judge them. God said we dont have to follow the old testament anymore that is why there are no more stonings or forced marriages. it is now 2009. GOD SAYS "MOVE ON!". That is why Jesus died so we didnt have to follow the old testament anymore.

What a bunch of clap trap and ignorance of the Bible. We believe 100% in what God tells us to believe and it is spelled out letter by letter in his book. You better get that through your head. We are coming together and massing so we can make Biblical law the law of the USA! Praise Jesus!

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Phillip Craig Garrido: Voices of Angels in Mind of Rapist

Man wht is WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE!?!!!?!?!!? this little CHILD yes child was kindnapped and raped by two adults. she is a vicitim but you people treat her like she is PROPERTY? That she should MARRY THIS PERVERT? That she should be STONED???

I swear you people make me sick!!!! I think you people are worse than this Phillip Garrido man. Yes i think he is mentally ill and needs help but it doesnt escuse him from the CRIME HE COMMITTED!!! but what is your defense? you know what you are doing wrong and you are like those holocaust deniers.

Maybe you people should read the Bible parts where Jesus says to LOVE EVERYONE and not judge them. God said we dont have to follow the old testament anymore that is why there are no more stonings or forced marriages. it is now 2009. GOD SAYS "MOVE ON!". That is why Jesus died so we didnt have to follow the old testament anymore.

Were do you get off on this we want to let Gerrido off the hook sinner???
He committed a crime. Period end of discussion.
It is absolute inexcusable to steal girls and women from their fathers and husbands.

I don't care if the girl is a little harlot. I don't care if lies to you she a free woman. I don't care if she begs you take her because her fathers beats the snot out of her. You don't take women!

"Though Shall not Steal" is God's law.

Were did Jesus change that sinner?

WERE?

[Professor Bessemer]

Re: Phillip Craig Garrido: Voices of Angels in Mind of Rapist

I think Mr. Garrido is unfairly being persecuted by the media and all these lynchmob types. He is not a monster or a deviant by any means. He saved a little girl from a broken home. Maybe if Garrido didn't take the moral high ground, little Jaycee would've lived a worse life with her parents, taking drugs, whoring around, doing porn, and stealing money.

The simple fact is this: Mr. Garrido provided a safe, stable, loving home for Jaycee for nearly two decades. He provided for her and made sure she had a place to sleep every night. He gave her food and clothing. Most importantly, he gave her two beautiful little girls.

All of you should be ashamed for judging Mr. Garrido. Doesn't the Bible say "THOU SHALT NOT JUDGE?" You seem to have forgotten that part huh?

I will pray for Mr. Garrido and his caring wife who only wanted to help raise a little daughter-wife. This man did not commit any crime. The only crime being committed here is JUDGEMENTALISM.

Look Dwayne, we know that this man made some very questionable decisions, some of which he is going to have to answer for here on earth, and some when the Lord takes him.

The issue that the media seems to be avoiding is the wrong done to Jaycee's real father and the very suspect parenting of her step father and divorcee mother. I am not prepared to condone the stealing of wives, but in Judges 21, the Bible does mention this tradition. It is a bit unclear whether this is a practice God approves of, or if in this case He was simply talking about something He used to approve of.

[Capt. Aaron Portway]

Re: Phillip Craig Garrido: Voices of Angels in Mind of Rapist

Look Dwayne, we know that this man made some very questionable decisions, some of which he is going to have to answer for here on earth, and some when the Lord takes him.

The issue that the media seems to be avoiding is the wrong done to Jaycee's real father and the very suspect parenting of her step father and divorcee mother. I am not prepared to condone the stealing of wives, but in Judges 21, the Bible does mention this tradition. It is a bit unclear whether this is a practice God approves of, or if in this case He was simply talking about something He used to approve of.

Questionable decisions? He may have saved her from a life that was far worse than the one she had. I will grant you the one she had was probably not the life she had hoped for, but she is alive today with two daughters. So there's that.

As for Judges 21, the way I read it God was OK with wife stealing as long as they were virgins and they were from a tribe of non-believers. If they were left with the tribe of heathens, they would be damned anyway. So in a way, by killing all the men and the non-virgin women, the virgins were gathered into God's chosen people and therefore Saved.

I'm not sure this applies in Jaycee's case, but I'm no Bible scholar.

[Professor Bessemer]

Re: Phillip Craig Garrido: Voices of Angels in Mind of Rapist

Questionable decisions? He may have saved her from a life that was far worse than the one she had. I will grant you the one she had was probably not the life she had hoped for, but she is alive today with two daughters. So there's that.

As for Judges 21, the way I read it God was OK with wife stealing as long as they were virgins and they were from a tribe of non-believers. If they were left with the tribe of heathens, they would be damned anyway. So in a way, by killing all the men and the non-virgin women, the virgins were gathered into God's chosen people and therefore Saved.

I'm not sure this applies in Jaycee's case, but I'm no Bible scholar.

Here is some of Judges 21:

And see, and, behold, if the daughters of Shiloh come out to dance in dances, then come ye out of the vineyards, and catch you every man his wife of the daughters of Shiloh, and go to the land of Benjamin.

And it shall be, when their fathers or their brethren come unto us to complain, that we will say unto them, Be favourable unto them for our sakes: because we reserved not to each man his wife in the war: for ye did not give unto them at this time, that ye should be guilty.

And the children of Benjamin did so, and took them wives, according to their number, of them that danced, whom they caught: and they went and returned unto their inheritance, and repaired the cities, and dwelt in them.

And the children of Israel departed thence at that time, every man to his tribe and to his family, and they went out from thence every man to his inheritance.

In those days there was no king in Israel: every man did that which was right in his own eyes.
Judges 21:21-25


And while it does describe wife stealing, the final line seems to say that this is the way it used to be, not the way things are today. But, the men who stole the wives are not seen to be punished by God either, so it is far from definitive.

However, this is a bit of a moot point, as we all know God wants us to follow secular law. I think this chapter is one that will need much more study when we take back this country and institute Biblical Law. What I am saying is that this is a discussion for a later time, when we have replaced secular law with God's Law.

[James Hutchins]

Re: Phillip Craig Garrido: Voices of Angels in Mind of Rapist

I have re-read all the comments here and many postings on the Internet. I am unable to make a clear cut statement, so many opposing forces at work, you know. On the one hand, her natural father abandoned her, her mother was a harlot (having lived with the man out of wedlock who was to eventually be JayCees' step dad). It is obvious he did not care about JayCee as he saw the abduction and did nothing. This is a terrible thing to do, to hate a child so much and ignore the innocent person, even if she is just a girl.
Now Garrido did bed JayCee, having two children (daughters, unfortunately). He did not compensate JayCees' step-dad or harlot mother for the use of JayCee, which is wrong, no argument there. Nor did Garrido wed the girl, which is also wrong. But he did provide her with a home. And being she apparently stayed put for 18 years is a commendable accomplishment for Garrido.

Personally, I think Garrido and JayCee should marry, Garrido should have to pay the fifty shekels (with interest) and when JayCee's daughters are of wedlock age, the dowry from them also paid to JayCee's step-dad and harlot mother. Failing proper payment should send Garrido off to jail. If JayCee fails to marry him without good cause (I can see no reason not too, Gerrido was good enough to father two children for her) then she will need to compensate Garrido .

[Wash O'Hanley]

Re: Phillip Craig Garrido: Voices of Angels in Mind of Rapist

Does anything good ever happen in South Lake Tahoe? First this, then in 1995 I wake up next to a dead hooker in the Harrahs and have to have a couple of mafia guys get rid of the body in exchange for servitude and never "ratting on them" and then I go into the Planet Hollywood and have to wait an extra 15 minutes because Greg Gumble shows up and doesn't have to wait for a table. What a horrible town.

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: Phillip Craig Garrido: Voices of Angels in Mind of Rapist

I agree that what Garrido did was horrible and wrong. But it's done, and what about Jaycee? Why has she not married him yet?!?

Deuteronomy 22:28 If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;
22:29 Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.

Eighteen years of fornication is long enough! It's bad enough their bastard children (and future grandchildren up to the tenth generation) are now cursed and can not enter into the congregation of the Lord (Deuteronomy 23:2), but the two parents bring further shame by refusing to marry!
Has Garrido even made an offer to the girl's father? 50 shekels is only about $13.09 at today's conversion rate!
But he is a false "Christian", so I guess we can't expect him to do right by Jesus.

50 shekels is a lot more than that. One shekel is roughly 1/3 oz of silver, and silver is currently trading at $13.51 an oz, so 50 shekels is more like $225.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[Professor Tyeisha X]

Re: Phillip Craig Garrido: Voices of Angels in Mind of Rapist

Normally, I'm not one to toot my own horn but I want the whole world to know...

I AM A HERO!

Yes, that was me who alerted the Berkeley P.D. when I saw that nutjob with those two little girls. I eyed that suspicious man trying to get in. I asked him what he wanted on campus for. He told me "I just want to hand out these religious tracts."

Well, that got me fuming. Religion has no place on a college campus! So I immediately went over to a nearby patrol car and informed the officer about the situation. Normally, campus police and I don't get along since I am often leading protests against them, but I think they went along to check out this guy because I kept yapping.

So thanks to me, police nabbed this insane religious criminal. If I wasn't there, Jaycee and her daughters would still be in that shed today. I think everyone here who has ever wronged me or said negative comments to me, should apologize for me and give me the hero's honor that I so rightfully deserve.