[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: try convert an atheist

Because it doesn't make any sense to me. WHY were we created and since god created us, who created god and who created the creator of god and so on.
Since all information about the religions are from times, where earth was populated by primitives, it's very unlikely, that the religion WASN'T created by a delusional old man. I want to see some hard proof, not a rumor, before i become religious again.

Listen up son, I simply cannot understand how anyone could live a life without Jesus at its center. I mean, what’s the point? What skin is it off your teeth?
There is no absolute proof of anything. Why, everything around you may be an illusion. So what is the deal about worrying whether God is all powerful or should smite sinners (which He often does)?

Your scientists will tell you that everything boils down to a vacuum with a very few probability waves floating about, the behavior of which we are not going to discover anytime soon. So, when it comes to a belief in and an acceptance of Jesus, where’s your problem?

[gm jack]

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Listen up son, I simply cannot understand how anyone could live a life without Jesus at its center. I mean, what’s the point? What skin is it off your teeth?
There is no absolute proof of anything. Why, everything around you may be an illusion. So what is the deal about worrying whether God is all powerful or should smite sinners (which He often does)?

Your scientists will tell you that everything boils down to a vacuum with a very few probability waves floating about, the behavior of which we are not going to discover anytime soon. So, when it comes to a belief in and an acceptance of Jesus, where’s your problem?

Just because religion is an easy answer, does that necessarily make it a correct answer?

And having been agnostic for a fair while (now I've got interested in the matter again and am reconsidering), life has plenty of meaning without a deity. You make the meaning in your life. I see no purpose for myself, so simply strive to make others happy and to enjoy life, and that makes me happy.

[Thangel]

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gm jack makes a lot of sense.

[Nobar King]

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I haven't read any of this thread, but there is still room in Jesus' shining bosom for you whenever you're ready to repent your sins and dedicate your life to Him.

[Levi Jones]

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Just because religion is an easy answer, does that necessarily make it a correct answer?

And having been agnostic for a fair while (now I've got interested in the matter again and am reconsidering), life has plenty of meaning without a deity. You make the meaning in your life. I see no purpose for myself, so simply strive to make others happy and to enjoy life, and that makes me happy.

Typical wishy-washy agnostic. That's sounds very nice and all, but the Bible says you are going to hell for your lack of belief.

Revelation 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

[gm jack]

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I haven't read any of this thread, but there is still room in Jesus' shining bosom for you whenever you're ready to repent your sins and dedicate your life to Him.

Thank you very much. It's the first positive response I've had here to saying I am unsure as it stands.

[Nobar King]

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Thank you very much. It's the first positive response I've had here to saying I am unsure as it stands.

I think you're misinterpreting the responses you've read. As True Christians, we want nothing more than for all unsaved souls to find redemption in the glory of Jesus Christ. You may be feeling that some responses are hostile or negative, but they are really just strong messages to try to get you to see the folly of your ways. No one here hates you. We all want to love you and join you on your path to salvation.

[gm jack]

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I think you're misinterpreting the responses you've read. As True Christians, we want nothing more than for all unsaved souls to find redemption in the glory of Jesus Christ. You may be feeling that some responses are hostile or negative, but they are really just strong messages to try to get you to see the folly of your ways. No one here hates you. We all want to love you and join you on your path to salvation.

"You're welcome to join at any time" comes across far nicer than "join or you'll burn in hell". I know all mean well, but sometimes, fire and brimstone arguments become pretty monotonous and quite frankly will probably drive more people away than it causes to join.

Of course, as are your believes, they are actualities, so much be said. However, when the focus of every point that disagrees with your beliefs is "do it or you will go to hell and God will hate you", it doesn't seem like a faith that is rewarding to be a part of.

[Meek and Humble]

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"You're welcome to join at any time" comes across far nicer than "join or you'll burn in hell". I know all mean well, but sometimes, fire and brimstone arguments become pretty monotonous and quite frankly will probably drive more people away than it causes to join.

Why are you so harsh?

Because the truth is harsh. We use great plainness of speech, and will not beat around the bush when it comes to someone's eternal soul. Watch out for those people who tell you that it's okay to believe what you want - they'll take you to hell with them.



It has been said "honey draws more flies than does vinegar." This really isn't a Biblical concept. The Bible teaches the exact opposite. For example, Jude says "Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life. And of some have compassion, making a difference, And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire, hating even the garment spotted by the flesh." Furthermore, you should carefully examine all of the preachers (including Jesus) in the Bible. On some, they had compassion. On others, they preached fear. It is our duty to make a difference.

[gm jack]

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Yes, I did read that. nothing wrong in holding your standards high. However, I rarely see the teaching which do not involve people going to hell being spoken about. It was just a nice change to have the kindness and openness Christians supposedly have. That said, not being strict would be very hypocritical. It's just the phrasing was very nice and welcoming.

Lets take example responses to me saying I'm unsure on my faith.

1)You're going to hell because of X verse.
2)Jesus will welcome you always because of Y, but do not waiver for too long because of X.

Both cover the same content, but one is more likely to have an impact on somebody's life. Threats of hell would hold value if it wasn't said instantly for pretty much everything.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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I'm sure satan will be very impressed with your equations once you're down in hell.

All Jesus wants is your unconditional love. You can't talk your way out of that.

[gm jack]

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I'm sure satan will be very impressed with your equations once you're down in hell.

All Jesus wants is your unconditional love. You can't talk your way out of that.

In my opinion, that is a much better way of stating what the religion is about than "love Jesus or burn in hell".

Back on topic, this video sums up a few good things that could convert an atheist. You may wish to skip the first 1:25, as it has a general rant at religion, which is not relevant. If you listen to the first 1:25 and find it offensive, I have warned you. Again, this is an atheists view in the video, but I still feel the points he makes are fairly accurate on a "definitely convert the masses" point.

Part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rqUsC2KsiI
Part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qmcO...9012DF955634EA

Again, the video takes a few small cheap shots at religion. If you find that offensive, do not watch.

[Meek and Humble]

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In my opinion, that is a much better way of stating what the religion is about than "love Jesus or burn in hell".

Back on topic, this video sums up a few good things that could convert an atheist. You may wish to skip the first 1:25, as it has a general rant at religion, which is not relevant. If you listen to the first 1:25 and find it offensive, I have warned you. Again, this is an atheists view in the video, but I still feel the points he makes are fairly accurate on a "definitely convert the masses" point.

Part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rqUsC2KsiI
Part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qmcO...9012DF955634EA

Again, the video takes a few small cheap shots at religion. If you find that offensive, do not watch.

Thanks for being the 1,325,454th person to post that here. Now why don't you try looking for the TRUTH: 50 Proofs that God Exists

[exMormon]

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God doesn't change for you, you change for God. We follow God's word and we give it to you verbatim. If you don't like the way God's word makes you feel, then feel free to take it up with the Almighty.
However, attacking his favourite people will not get you anywhere. People like you know that you have no way of directly attacking God, so you attack his people instead. That's such a sad life, don't you think?

[gm jack]

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Thanks for being the 1,325,454th person to post that here. Now why don't you try looking for the TRUTH: 50 Proofs that God Exists

Are there any of the reasons to convert which are unreasonable though?

As on the link you posted, look at the last post. I feel I could give a strong argument against every single one of those point. However, as I have been well reminded, this is not a debate forum, so a list of 50 arguments would just get me the almighty banhammer. If anyone wants me to send them it by a personal message for interests sake, feel free to ask. Otherwise, I will simply say some of the arguments are doubtful at best.

God doesn't change for you, you change for God. We follow God's word and we give it to you verbatim. If you don't like the way God's word makes you feel, then feel free to take it up with the Almighty.
However, attacking his favourite people will not get you anywhere. People like you know that you have no way of directly attacking God, so you attack his people instead. That's such a sad life, don't you think?

I started by thanking someone for his support. I then get flamed from all sides for taking the message nicely. I then tried to defend my actions in thanking Nobar King for his support.

I don't think you people quite understand what a blessing it to have such strong faith.