[True Disciple]

Re: Read this if you feel you are a good christian

God does NOT hate GOTHS, being a goth is a lifestyle choice, NOT A RELIGION. Again not all gots are harlots, killers, liars, and cheats; and in that link under it describes what he "Hates" and those are all religions and crimes; none of which discribe me.

I must correct you on this. Goth is possibly the most despicable lifestyle there is. Read this Godly summary of the evils of Goth subculture by Brother David J Stewart:

Goths would have us believe that the Columbine Massacre was just an isolated incident; however, here are some alarming statistics:

• 1991
  NORWAY - Vocalist of Mayhem commits suicide. The guitarist Euronymous, upon finding him, takes pictures of his bloody corpse for their album cover, and collects pieces of his skull to make necklaces out of.
• 1992
  NORWAY - Church burnings and murders by Nazi Goths in Norway following Euronymous, lead guitarist of gothic black metal band Mayhem calling on fans to be terrorists for their anti-Christian cause.
• NORWAY - Bart Faust, bassist of Goth band Emperor, murders a homosexual.
• 1993
  USA - satanic murders of three innocent little children by Goth monster Damian Echols in West Memphis, Arkansas.
• NORWAY - Euronymous murdered by Goth 'friend' Varg Vikernes, guitarist of Goth band Emperor.
• 1994
  SWEDEN - Jon Nodtveidt, singer of Goth black metal band Dissection murders man.
• 1995
  USA - Murder of 15 year old Elyse Pahler by Satanist Goth teens Royce Casey, Joseph Fiorella, and Jacob Delashmutt who idolized metal band Slayer and had conspired to kill a virgin girl as a sacrifice to Satan.
• Goth Brian Bassett shoots and kills his parents before drowning his 5 year old brother, then proceeds to kick their corpses to the music of silver chair.
• 1996
  USA - The infamous Vampire Clan Murders.
• 1997
  Goth Satanist Luke Woodham brutally beats and stabs mother to death before going into school and killing 2 and injuring 7.
• Kimberly Wilson, age 20, her 17-year-old sister, Julia, and their parents, William and Rose Wilson brutally murdered by sick Goths Alex Baranyi and his best friend, David Anderson, both 17.
• 1998
  ITALY - Beasts of Satan cult, Goths into heavy metal, murder 2 teenagers.
• 1999
  USA - 15 dead in the Columbine High school massacre, carried out on the anniversary of Hitler’s birthday by two Nazi obsessed Goths.
• 2001
  USA - World Trade Centre destroyed by plans drawn up 2 year previously by Dylan Klebold, one of the terrorists from Columbine.
• GERMANY - Three Goth teenagers ages 14, 17 and 18 committed suicide after forming an online satanic death sect in an internet chat room.
• 2001
  GERMANY - Bride of Satan satanic murder case.
• 2002
  UK - Vampire teenager slaughters frail old woman and drinks her blood.
• UK - Alan Menzies also murders man after becoming obsessed with sickening Vampire film 'queen of the damned', He claims the queen of the damned ordered him to do it.
• 2003
  UK - Goth Jodi Jones aged 14 brutally murdered by her evil Marilyn Manson obsessed Gothic boyfriend.
• Two self-styled vampires jailed for conducting a campaign of religious harassment against a vicar and his family. Scott Bower and Benjamin Lewis were found guilty of waging the three-month campaign against the Reverend Christopher Rowberry, his wife Karen and children Hannah, 15, and Simon, 17.
• 2004
  USA - Lely high school students caught planning copycat Columbine.
• Teen Rachelle Waterman from Craig, Alaska masterminds murder of her own mother. She roped two former boyfriends into doing the deed. Her mother Lori ended up bludgeoned to death and her body burned out in the Alaskan wilderness.
• 2005
  Beasts of Satan cult finally stand trial for their evil crimes.
• USA - Orlando, Florida, a Goth named Christopher Dunsmoor killed his fiancée, Fawn Trivette. Dunsmoor nearly beheaded Fawn, using a samurai sword.
• USA - 105 Year old Minnesota United Church burned to the ground in a hate crime against Christianity by three sick Goth teens on the birthday of Varg Vikernes, a black metal musician now serving time in prison in Norway for murdering a band mate and burning several churches. Vikernes has inspired dozens of copycat church burnings around the world.
• USA - Goth Ben W. Fawley, age 38, told Richmond, Virginia police that he killed Virginia Commonwealth University freshman, Taylor Behl, age 17 while having "rough sex." Though 38, Fawley looked 17 and made it a point to dress like a 17 or 18-year-old Goth kid.
• USA - Ten killed in Red Lake High School massacre by Goth Nazi Jeffrey Weise.
• Goth David Rodriguez, 18, and a companion abducts 2 children in order to perform satanic ritual, allegedly to get his girlfriend back. Erika Castillo, 6, and her older brother, Oscar, were snatched outside a Little Village library on Friday. Rodriguez planned to carve a pentagram in the girl's chest.
• USA - California, Goth Scott Dyleski, age 16, arrested for the brutal bludgeoning murder of Pamela Vitale, age 52. Vitale was the wife of well-known defense attorney and legal analyst for various cable news outlets, Daniel Horowitz.

These are but a few of thousands of recorded mainstream news events involving Goth killers. To say that the Goth subculture isn't dangerous is to be very ignorant indeed. Goth is of the Devil.

How can anyone possibly be a Christian Goth?

[Deus Me Ignoscat]

Re: Read this if you feel you are a good christian

You are making goths and anti-christians one in the same when they are not. Also your "Godly summary" is by someone who doesn't understand the culture. Yes your examples are true, people killed other people but lots of people who are not goths kill people too.

[GOD=life]

Re: Read this if you feel you are a good christian

I am unable to find anything that tells me that dark clothing and chains are wrong.

It's strange apparel, which is forbidden.

Surely you cannot deny that everyone - except goths - consider your clothing style strange? That's the whole point: to be strange.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Read this if you feel you are a good christian

I am unable to find anything that tells me that dark clothing and chains are wrong.

Then you are not looking properly.

1 Samuel 16:7 "But the LORD said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart." 1 Timothy 2:9-10 "In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array" Leviticus 19:28 "Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD."

[Deus Me Ignoscat]

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Then you are not looking properly.

1 Samuel 16:7 "But the LORD said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart." 1 Timothy 2:9-10 "In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array" Leviticus 19:28 "Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD."

*SATANIC LINK DELETED*

[Cranky Old Man]

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*SATANIC LINK DELETED*

My quote came from the Holy Bible. Your quote is from some crazy idiot's website who does not even know what a Bible looks like.

[Deus Me Ignoscat]

Re: Read this if you feel you are a good christian

the FIRST quote on their home page is from the bible.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Read this if you feel you are a good christian

the FIRST quote on their home page is from the bible.

No it is not. It is from a mistranslation of the Holy Bible. There is only one correct version of the Holy Bible. The KJV 1611. Everything else should be used as toilet paper.

[Deus Me Ignoscat]

Re: Read this if you feel you are a good christian

I read both, they are nearly identical.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Read this if you feel you are a good christian

I read both, they are nearly identical.

So we at least agree on something. They used the wrong scripture.

[Deus Me Ignoscat]

Re: Read this if you feel you are a good christian

I agree king james is the best version but lets not argue over which version, that site is full of other christian goths and ministers that would gladly give their life to God.

[Deus Me Ignoscat]

Re: Read this if you feel you are a good christian

Human life is a gift from God, and if God demands our lives back then so be it. My life is but a sacrifice for the Father

[Deus Me Ignoscat]

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That isnt a sacrifice that is suicide; that is different from martyrdom. Even you should know the difference.

[Brother Enoch]

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That isnt a sacrifice that is suicide; that is different from martyrdom. Even you should know the difference.

Martyrdom? Are you threatening us?

[BelieverInGod]

Re: Read this if you feel you are a good christian

That isnt a sacrifice that is suicide; that is different from martyrdom. Even you should know the difference.

So you're a mooslim?