[Brother Temperance]

Re: What REAL PEOPLE think about Goths...

My mother is a real, normal, decent person with common sense and knows that Goths are peaceful and mearly want to be left alone.... She is not Emo and frowns upon Homosexuals, nor is she Goth herself therefore she is a respectable person.

I'm glad that you admit the terms "goth" and "respectable" are mutually exclusive. But she can't have that much common sense, otherwise she'd have tossed you in the river in a sack with a brick in it by now.

Sorry the concept of "Hell" never really clicked. What is this "Hell" you speak of? I can say that I don't know it, have never known it and shall never know it.

You're very wrong on that third count.

Who uses "groovy" anymore? That went out with the 60's and 70's.

So did being a hellbound goth, but evidently you didn't get the memo, daddy-o.

[Blind leading the blind (On Moderation)]

Re: What REAL PEOPLE think about Goths...

Dude, Goth was a movement that started in the 80's! My Gods you're dense.

[Brother Temperance]

Re: What REAL PEOPLE think about Goths...

Dude, Goth was a movement that started in the 80's! My Gods you're dense.

Wrong again, demon. Goths were invented in 1764 by the author Horace Walpole. Looks like I'm a bit hipper than you originally believed, huh?

[Blind leading the blind (On Moderation)]

Re: What REAL PEOPLE think about Goths...

Read it and weep!

The goth subculture is a contemporary subculture found in many countries. It began in the United Kingdom during the early 1980s in the gothic rock scene, an offshoot of the post-punk genre.

~Wikipedia.org

[Pastor Al E Pistle]

Re: What REAL PEOPLE think about Goths...

Read it and weep!
~Wikipedia.org

If you had bothered to read a little further down on the SAME PAGE YOU REFERENCED, you would have noticed this:

Origins of the term

The original Goths were an Eastern Germanic tribe who played an important role in the fall of the western Roman Empire. In some circles, the name "goth" later became pejorative: synonymous with "barbarian" and the uncultured due to the then-contemporary view of the fall of Rome and depictions of the pagan Gothic tribes during and after the process of Christianization of Europe. During the Renaissance period in Europe, medieval architecture was retroactively labeled gothic architecture, and was considered unfashionable in contrast to the then-modern lines of classical architecture.
In the United Kingdom, by the late 1700s, however, nostalgia for the medieval period led people to become fascinated with medieval gothic ruins. This fascination was often combined with an interest in medieval romances, Roman Catholic religion and the supernatural. Enthusiasts for gothic revival architecture in the United Kingdom were led by Horace Walpole, and were sometimes nicknamed "goths", the first positive use of the term in the modern period. [citation needed]
The gothic novel of the late eighteenth century, a genre founded by Horace Walpole with the 1764 publication of The Castle of Otranto, was accountable for the more modern connotations of the term gothic. He originally claimed that the book was a real medieval romance he had discovered and republished. Thus was born the gothic novel's association with fake documentation to increase its effect. Henceforth, the term was associated with a mood of horror, morbidity, darkness and the supernatural as well as camp and self-parody. The gothic novel established much of the iconography of later horror literature and cinema, such as graveyards, ruined castles or churches, ghosts, vampires, nightmares, cursed families, being buried alive and melodramatic plots. An additional notable element was the brooding figure of the gothic villain, which developed into the Byronic hero. The most famous gothic villain is the vampire, Dracula, originally depicted in a novel by Bram Stoker, then made more famous through the medium of horror movies.

Read it and weep, dumbass.

[Blind leading the blind (On Moderation)]

Re: What REAL PEOPLE think about Goths...

I did read it. the Visi-goths were a tribe of people not a subculture, therefore when arguing about a subculture, the Visi-goths do not count. They were cool, but they don't count.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: What REAL PEOPLE think about Goths...

I did read it. the Visi-goths were a tribe of people not a subculture, therefore when arguing about a subculture, the Visi-goths do not count. They were cool, but they don't count.

I find your’ degrading representation of the Visi-Goths a racists stereotype and blatantly anti-Germanic people. I demand you retract that statement. There is no room for hate here at Landover.

[Pastor Al E Pistle]

Re: What REAL PEOPLE think about Goths...

I did read it. the Visi-goths were a tribe of people not a subculture, therefore when arguing about a subculture, the Visi-goths do not count. They were cool, but they don't count.

I believe we were discussing Horace Walpole, not Visi-goths when you went off on your racial tirade.

[Brother Temperance]

Re: What REAL PEOPLE think about Goths...

I did read it. the Visi-goths were a tribe of people not a subculture, therefore when arguing about a subculture, the Visi-goths do not count. They were cool, but they don't count.

Ignoring your offensive hatespeech towards the visi-goths, did you see the part of the article that PASTOR AL GENEROUSLY HIGHLIGHTED FOR YOU? Here it is again:

In the United Kingdom, by the late 1700s, however, nostalgia for the medieval period led people to become fascinated with medieval gothic ruins. This fascination was often combined with an interest in medieval romances, Roman Catholic religion and the supernatural. Enthusiasts for gothic revival architecture in the United Kingdom were led by Horace Walpole, and were sometimes nicknamed "goths", the first positive use of the term in the modern period. [citation needed]

These Horace Walpole goths clearly and undeniably were a subculture, and a twisted and decadent one to boot, just like today's hellbound goths. I didn't know the Roman Catlicks were responsible for gothism, but it's not that much of a surprise.

[Oneel]

Re: What REAL PEOPLE think about Goths...

Killing cats? never. Killing babies? never. Burning churches? I wouldn`t want to ruin one. The architecture is too great

My favourite band is, however, Nine Inch Nails [by the by Trent of Nine Inch Nails hasn`t done any drug since 2001] but i`m failing to see how that makes me a sinner? It is true he has written lyrics such as "God is dead, and no one cares" which was part of a concept album and the lyric meant that the character in the concept has lost all faith. It was a metaphor, not a statement. To all the people going on about Marilyn Manson. The goths, stop saying he is not a Satanist....he is a self confessed satanist its just not the same kind of satanist that worships the devil. They use the term Satanist as a metaphor.For that retard who said Manson wasn`t an ordained minister of the church of satan....just read his auto biography.
The Walsh minister is correct on that one. He doesn`t, however, believe in the devil. Don`t quote and call me a hypocrit. If you want me to explain that one just ask and I gladly will in another thread. The christians. His album is called AntiChrist SuperStar because he was told that rock music was the work of the devil as a child and he thought if he made rock music he would become the AntiChrist and it scared him. The title is his way of saying he was too young and brainwashed for his own good and being a superstar doesn`t make you the antichrist. The album is, again, a concept and entirley fictional. Although some bits are reminiscent of his christian upbringing.


Secondly the names on that list on the first page are either one major coincidence or amusingly made up. For example.


Anne Summers? Anne Rice, Buffy Summers. PLus a shop for kinky things and such.

Lestat Voorhees? Lestat DeLioncourt from the vampire chronicles and Jason Voorhees from the Friday The 13th series.

Sabrina Potter? Sabrina The Teenage [filthy] Witch and, none other than, Harry Potter.

Vincent Burton? This one is too good to be true. Vincent Price and Tim Burton

Trent Poe? Trent Reznor and Edgar Allen Poe

Charles Munroe? Again too good to be true. I don`t know if you know this but Marilyn Manson got his name from combining the first name of Marilyn Munroe with the last name of Charles Manson....you can work out the rest

Winona Weasley? Not sure on the Winona but I imagine its from winona ryder who was in a few Tim Burton movies and then Ron Weasley from that dreaded Harry potter. Which, I agree should, be banned because its awful



need I go on? These statements were obviously made up for amusement and its been taken on a 27 page debate that isn`t a debate. Its just "you`re a fag", ""Yeah well, you`re ignorant". Both of said statements are more then likley true.
Also. Beating up goths to try and get them to stop beating on each other and themselves? I`m failing to see the logic. Oh, and before you say "HA you admit it you DO beat each other up and yourself" I`m just making a statment from your side. You believe they do that. I don`t.



Killing animals, don`t care. Do what you want and if it tastes nice chuck it this way
I hate hippies. I hate the whole flower power love everyone thing. It annoys me. I hate the idea that they protest trees being cut down and then eat lettuce....Not a favourite past time of mine. I am not a witch, I hate the idea of spells its just stupid.

Also. Saying that all goths massacre people at school? No they don`t. Dunblane? Virgina tech? Goths don`t massacre people. Neither does anybody of any race, religion or nationality. Although there is a theme with goths I must admit. Eric and Dillon? the two kids behind columbine, look up their photos. They`re not goths and, contrary to what you`ve been told, they weren`t a part of the Trench Coat Mafia, a friend of theirs was, most of the members didn`t even know them and they DIDN`T listen to Marilyn Manson. Extreme idiots massacre and kill no matter what they look like.

With that said, as I understand it, I may be wrong tho, in Corinthians it does state that any man with long hair should be ashamed, right? So you are correct, if jesus and god do exist then I should be ashamed and such. But nearly every gorram man in those days had long hair too, including jesus. There may not be anything in the bible about his apperance but if the shroud of turin is to be believed then he did and he wasn`t ashamed. If he could walk on water i`m sure he could of cut his hair or atleast asked someone to do it as a favour. The blind guy for instance. I know it seems like i`m poking fun but i`m not. I would never poke fun at anyones religion. I`m just pointing out what I have percieved as major faults in the hope you
might rectify them without the terms "you wouldn`t understand you baby killing, foul smelling, fag loving, church burning, androgynous, retarded, half-wit" I just want some good ol` fashioned Q&A.

[Blind leading the blind (On Moderation)]

Re: What REAL PEOPLE think about Goths...

Oneel....thank you.
BT, thank you but I did read it the first time. Modern Goth, as we know it began in the 80's. We have had this one sided conversation before. It is something that you cannot kill off. Goth will never die. It's kinda like Rock and Roll that way. Rock and Roll will survive.

[Brother Temperance]

Re: What REAL PEOPLE think about Goths...

Oneel....thank you.
BT, thank you but I did read it the first time. Modern Goth, as we know it began in the 80's. We have had this one sided conversation before. It is something that you cannot kill off. Goth will never die. It's kinda like Rock and Roll that way. Rock and Roll will survive.

Yes, because the fact that a phenomenon's existed for 50 years definitely means it's eternal and unchanging, doesn't it?

On the other hand, the idea that this thread is something that will never die is starting to seem worryingly plausible.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: What REAL PEOPLE think about Goths...

Oneel....thank you.
BT, thank you but I did read it the first time. Modern Goth, as we know it began in the 80's. We have had this one sided conversation before. It is something that you cannot kill off. Goth will never die. It's kinda like Rock and Roll that way. Rock and Roll will survive.

Speaking as a Christian there is just something plain wrong with some group that runs abounds in archaic costumes practicing symbolic ritual blood drinking and obsesses with life after death.

[roserougesang]

Re: What REAL PEOPLE think about Goths...

Speaking as a Christian there is just something plain wrong with some group that runs abounds in archaic costumes practicing symbolic ritual blood drinking and obsesses with life after death.

Christians do practice those sort of things you know:

1. Archaic costumes (priest robes)
2. Symbolic ritual blood drinking (Holy Communion)
3. Life after death (Heaven/Hell)


What you just said was rather hypocritical.

[SalvationSeeker]

Re: What REAL PEOPLE think about Goths...

Christians do practice those sort of things you know:

1. Archaic costumes (priest robes)
2. Symbolic ritual blood drinking (Holy Communion)
3. Life after death (Heaven/Hell)


What you just said was rather hypocritical.

No.
Apart from point 3, we don't do any of those..
And then we mean life after death as resurrection to eternal bliss, or to eternal torment.
Not life after death as rising again on this earth as a blood-sucking coprse like you do.

We don't have a ritual of symbolic blood drinking, cause we're not cathylicks.
And our ministers don't run around in archaic robes, but wear plain clothes.
Priests and robes are both cathylick nonsense too.