[Jeb Stuart Thurmond]

Re: You have convinced me I was wrong about you

How can I even think of debating with someone who do that?

I don't know, but you've just made 18 or so posts to that effect...

[.Sarcastic.Strawberries.]

Re: You have convinced me I was wrong about you

Okay, now I see the heart of the dissagreement. You follow a completely unAmerican definition of freedom. Here\\\\\\\'s the proper republican definition, as said by the front-running Republican Candidate, Rudy Guiliani:

"Freedom is not a concept in which people can do anything they want, be anything they can be. [COLOR=\\\\"red\\\\"]Freedom is about authority[/color]. Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do." - Rudy Giuliani

Now are things clearing up?

Well, your point of view is clear to me however the republican view is just one view. If that was the dead set view, and was indeed 100% accurate would they not have already kicked me out for being gay and an atheist? I see where you are coming from, sort of, but I can still see many holes in your argument, sorry. n.n; [also, if it is one forgive the double post]

[Jeb Stuart Thurmond]

Re: You have convinced me I was wrong about you

My reply is that, to begin with, the pledge of allegiance was only recently changed to include the words 'one nation under god' but it said before, and still says now, about liberty and justice for all.

And the pursuit of happiness is the right of all citizens, as stated in the declaration of independence. Thus, if one is happy pursuing a life without the xtian religion, it is their unalienable right.

The pledge was not written by the founding fathers, or by Jesus, it was in fact written bya socialist. It has no legal basis whatsoever.

America exists because the British made treaties with the indians, promising not to move the frontier westward. They event taxed the colonists to build forts to stop our settlers. So we rebelled, kicked the British out, and conquered the heathens indians.

All this liberty and justice nonsense was cooked up by the liberals.

[.Sarcastic.Strawberries.]

Re: You have convinced me I was wrong about you

My reply is that, to begin with, the pledge of allegiance was only recently changed to include the words \'one nation under god\' but it said before, and still says now, about liberty and justice for all.

And the pursuit of happiness is the right of all citizens, as stated in the declaration of independence. Thus, if one is happy pursuing a life without the xtian religion, it is their unalienable right.

Very well put, better then I could have said it. n.n

I\'m happy following my life without religion as a gay male, and that is why I live in America because it gives me the right to pursue that path here.

[vikkio]

Re: You have convinced me I was wrong about you

Okay, here's the deal: you promise to drop this subject, and not to do any more paranoid conspiracy-type posts. We stick to ironing out any dissagreements we have, if any.

You keep that promise and I won't touch any posts. Deal?

Conspiracy? What conspiracy? I looked around and found some links and asked about them. But rather than simply deleting the post if you did not find it suitable, you edited it with words I never said making it appear I was trying to argue with you when I never did that.

How can I even think of debating with someone who do that?

[Jeb Stuart Thurmond]

Re: You have convinced me I was wrong about you

Well one part of America is freedom. Freedom of speech, of choice, as well as freedom of religion. o.o It may have been [and im not saying it was just that it may have] founded on Christianity however thats not what America is about, again. Its about freedom....thats why it as founded in the first place.

Okay, now I see the heart of the dissagreement. You follow a completely unAmerican definition of freedom. Here's the proper republican definition, as said by the front-running Republican Candidate, Rudy Guiliani:

"Freedom is not a concept in which people can do anything they want, be anything they can be. Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do." - Rudy Giuliani

Now are things clearing up?

[Rachael Van Helsing]

Re: You have convinced me I was wrong about you

Good idea Rachel, these two kids don't seem to even know what a Debate is. Okay, let's start with why you think Heathens should even be allowed in America. I say that because America is a Christian nation created by Christians, and that makes you a tresspasser. What's your reply?

My reply is that, to begin with, the pledge of allegiance was only recently changed to include the words 'one nation under god' but it said before, and still says now, about liberty and justice for all.

And the pursuit of happiness is the right of all citizens, as stated in the declaration of independence. Thus, if one is happy pursuing a life without the xtian religion, it is their unalienable right.

[Jeb Stuart Thurmond]

Re: You have convinced me I was wrong about you

I can assume you will edit another one of my posts.

Okay, here's the deal: you promise to drop this subject, and not to do any more paranoid conspiracy-type posts. We stick to ironing out any dissagreements we have, if any.

You keep that promise and I won't touch any posts. Deal?

[.Sarcastic.Strawberries.]

Re: You have convinced me I was wrong about you

Good idea Rachel, these two kids don\'t seem to even know what a Debate is. Okay, let\'s start with why you think Heathens should even be allowed in America. I say that because America is a Christian nation created by Christians, and that makes you a tresspasser. What\'s your reply?

Well one part of America is freedom. Freedom of speech, of choice, as well as freedom of religion. o.o It may have been [and im not saying it was just that it may have] founded on Christianity however thats not what America is about, again. Its about freedom....thats why it as founded in the first place.

[vikkio]

Re: You have convinced me I was wrong about you

What did you want to debate about? I'm sure they'd be happy to debate with you, mind you, be prepared for a lot of bible-thumping. I've debated with them before, although they seem to have some very strange ideas about what needs to be done to win a debate. In other words, they think that saying 'but god did it!' disproves evolution....I mean honestly!

Well, editing the posts of others is hardly an incentive for me to even consider anything a real debate here!

[.Sarcastic.Strawberries.]

Re: You have convinced me I was wrong about you

Ok, So you agree that we are indeed the most Bible-based people you have ever come across? Okay, see, I told you we could work this out.

Ill agree to that, you people take the bible to an all new extreme. o.o

[a somewhat insane extreme mind you o.O]

[Jeb Stuart Thurmond]

Re: You have convinced me I was wrong about you

Good idea Rachel, these two kids don't seem to even know what a Debate is. Okay, let's start with why you think Heathens should even be allowed in America. I say that because America is a Christian nation created by Christians, and that makes you a tresspasser. What's your reply?

[Rachael Van Helsing]

Re: You have convinced me I was wrong about you

What did you want to debate about? I'm sure they'd be happy to debate with you, mind you, be prepared for a lot of bible-thumping. I've debated with them before, although they seem to have some very strange ideas about what needs to be done to win a debate. In other words, they think that saying 'but god did it!' disproves evolution....I mean honestly!

[vikkio]

Re: You have convinced me I was wrong about you

Well, I sure didn't edit out any parts where you proved how forgiving a Christian you are, and I sure didn't edit out parts where you gave us solid Biblical proof that you are more of a Christian than us.

When will you stop trying to change the subject? Is your only plan to nag and whine until I just cut and run?

What evidence is there that you are more Christian than us?

I never made such a statement but I can assume you will edit another one of my posts to make it seem that I did. You changed my entire posts and that is not debate, civil or otherwise! That is just mean and spiteful.

[Jeb Stuart Thurmond]

Re: You have convinced me I was wrong about you

Never said I was a Christian nor did I say what you have quoted! YOU did when you edited my posts! I have however read the Bible.

Ok, So you agree that we are indeed the most Bible-based people you have ever come across? Okay, see, I told you we could work this out.