[Lost Sheep McUinnean]

Re: God "would" "believe" my "view" is agnostics are HELLBOUND

First of all, try to take me seriously and open ur minds, im not here to critisize u, but to help u even if u think differently. Dont let yourselves be blinded by ur faith. Theres nothing wrong with ur faith in god. However from the few things ive read on here, u guys are extreme in ur beliefs. Please take the time to read this, it is for your own good after all.

I came here after some guy on another forum i visit linking to a thread about how evil australia is [porn site deleted]

I probably wont get through to most of u, but hopefully i can make some of u better people. Again i will say im not here to criticize u.

So im gonna start off with things ive seen and what i think of them:
1) "Women are not equal".
Totally bogus alot of ur views are outdated and women are just as worthy of men. There are bad women, there are bad men. There are good women. There are good men.
2) "Homosexuality is wrong and u will go to hell for ur sin".
Again very outdated. Gays are people too. I personally dont think gay relationships shud really happen, but they do and i have no problem with them. They are entitles to their own beliefs and feelings as well as everyone else. some maybe just confused, but there will be alot of them that u wont be able to change, and thats nothing to do with them being evil or sinners. The last sentence includes everyone else.
3) "Blacks are sinners, so are <insert country/race here>".
Again these are real people and u have no right to be racist and shud have the same rights as everyone else. I am willing to guess that pretty much none of u have ever left your own country, so really why should u have such a strong opinion on people you kno nothing about. Some of u may also of had bad experiences from a specific race, but u shoud kno that goes for any face including ur own.
4) "Disney channel is evil".
Dont even kno where u got that from, its entertainment for kids, stories used to be told and now tvs have become one source like it.
5) " Sex before marriage is wrong/Sex is sinful"
Tbh i didnt read the former part but u probably believe it anyway, ur entitled to ur opinion, but u shud remember people will have their beliefs too and just coz its different to urs doesnt mean theyre wrong, ever thought maybe u r wrong (not sayin u r). Sex is a pleasure that people enjoy and can bring people to have close relationships. We all kno sex is abused, but remember people have their views too. Also u say that prostitution is wrong. Maybe so but its still one of the oldest professions ever and possibly alot of them are forced into it and shud not be judged for that.
6) "Vegetarians are misguided"
We have incisors that are built to cut through meat, there's something called the food chain and we are entitled to eat meat. That is my opinion. However animals are treated cruelty and their soul is killed for us to consume their bodies. If u have ever had a pet, you would kno that they have their own character and feelings too. So vegetarians have the right to their beliefs.

There will be other views that i have missed but this thread should cover all you need to know. I hope you all can be better people, even though realistically not all of you will. If there is a god, u may go to hell for that, i personally think as long as ur intentions are good, and deep down ur a good person, u will go to heaven, otherwise u should be able to redeem yourself if you find how wrong you have been and are sorry as this is the fairest way and i believe in fairness. (im still not being critical, read on as im almost done)

We are all equal in this world. If u do reply please dont use bible quotes as they wont mean anything to me. Im sort of agnostic in the fact that god may exist, but im also open to the fact that there may not be one. DO NOT TRY TO COMMENT ON MY FAITH AS THAT IS NOT WHAT THIS THREAD IS FOR. This thread is to try to make u more open to other peoples values making u a better person. After all, would god really like you with all your judgements. Blacks, gays, women are all his creation and u have no right to criticize his work. We are all unique and thats what makes us great. You should respect everyone for theyre beliefs because im sure u wud like the same, and everyone deserves equal rights. Im willing to bet that alot of u get criticized and/or made fun of alot, and that will partly be because of ur extreme views that are misguided. I believe life is about being happy and being the best person u r. God would want you to love ur fellow men and women whoever they may be and what they believe in. Also another little tip would not to impose ur religion (or views as i have saying all in this thread) too strongly on other people.

There wasnt really a place to put this thread, but its here is a good enough place as this is where you pick on everyone else who dont share your own beliefs and you blindly criticize others thinking you are completely right. And you probably mostly dont know much about them either so dont really have any base for your argument.

Please treat me with respect as i have with u. If you do have doubts about what i have written as u probably will then dont just reject what i have written straight away. Think about it, really do until you can really

Change just a few letters here and this could be in Serbo-Croat. Dear Lord, how incomprehensibly boorish can one be.

These are the ramblings of a random dungheap.

[FISHBRAIN#2]

Re: God "would" "believe" my "view" is agnostics are HELLBOUND

Who said i was trying to be smart, or that im unsure about every single thing because i dont believe 100% there is definitely a god. Also Atheists don't necessarily believe in the big bang. Also not all Christians will follow the bible word for word, some may use it as a guide, some may not even read it. You will probably not think they count as real Christians but they believe in the same jesus, and the same god.

Also im not saying terrorism or murder is right, and i think they should be punished, but i think they have the right to be redeemed. I think we are essentially the same people and that our experiences are the main things that set us apart. How do we know the 9/11 bombers were really bad. We know one side and that's that they drove a plane into the towers and killed innocent lives. However, how do we know that they weren't forced and/or threatened to do this, say if they didn't do it, their family would be killed and that they would find someone to do it anyway. And even if that isnt the case, why should they be punished coz thats what they have been led to believe was for the good of the world, just like how you think saying that everyone but your group will go to hell. Think about how if you weren't born where you live, you wouldn't have your christian faith and may believe in some other religion, possibly the same god but this is what you are taught and this is what you are told is right. So if they did redeem themselves, they wouldn't be laughing at us since they would have realised they were misguided. Anyway if any of you make anyones lives hell be it for them being black or gay, your not that far off from being as bad as terrorists.

So far in this thread there have been some arrogant people who wont read what i have wrote (which is ok, you dont have to, but for their reason they stated this makes them arrogant), one person that feels the need to criticise me when it would of been better to debate your opinion instead. and a few decent folk. And i'm still not trying to be mean in what i say. Btw jeb im not aggressive in any way, i usually keep myself to myself.

[handmaiden]

Re: God "would" "believe" my "view" is agnostics are HELLBOUND

Who said i was trying to be smart, or that im unsure about every single thing because i dont believe 100% there is definitely a god. Also Atheists don't necessarily believe in the big bang. Also not all Christians will follow the bible word for word, some may use it as a guide, some may not even read it. You will probably not think they count as real Christians but they believe in the same jesus, and the same god.

At last, you have begun to see the light, (your eyes are still closed; but you can see the pinkyness of your inner eyelids)

The contention being set forth is that you CANNOT be a Christian if you do not follow the Bible word for word. The Lord, speaking through the Bible which IS His "word for word", does not offer us that option. Such as do not follow His Word -- word for word -- are NOT real Christians. They only think that they are.

Anyway if any of you make anyones lives hell be it for them being black or gay, your not that far off from being as bad as terrorists.

Now, there is not a single person here who can make anyone live in hell. That matter is in God's Hands. Granted, they can make it a tad uncomfortable here and there. But they are like that sometimes; insisting on quoting the Bible instead of putting forth their own words. Could it be because the Bible TELLS them to do this?

So far in this thread there have been some arrogant people who wont read what i have wrote (which is ok, you dont have to, but for their reason they stated this makes them arrogant)

This is not arrogance. Your writing style is difficult to discern. You need either more white space or shorter sentences. You also MUST learn to captialize when referring to youself in the first person, even if it smacks of self-importance. It will make your statements easier to track with the eye and thus more understandable to the brain.

And i'm still not trying to be mean in what i say. Btw jeb im not aggressive in any way, i usually keep myself to myself.

No, you are NOT being mean. You are merely being obtuse.


Glibly Yours,

Handmaiden

[FISHBRAIN#2]

Re: God "would" "believe" my "view" is agnostics are HELLBOUND

I put it as being arrogant since i would of thought that they could read it clearly but choose not too, and be too picky. If they do find it truly difficult to read then i am wrong to judge. However if they do find my dialog to be offensive of shortening words they need to think why american english is different to british english eg, colour / color, though of course my shortening is a little different of course.

I suppose there isnt really much more i can say since i havent read the bible, if i did i would change my opinion. If god said himself to me that blacks/gays etc are not worth of equal rights i wouldnt follow him, because i think that is unfair and he should not be worthy of being worshipped. The bible was written ages ago and no matter what, it would show about how things were then and the authors perspective.

Thisll probably be the end of my debating now. Cya guys =].

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: God "would" "believe" my "view" is agnostics are HELLBOUND

I put it as being arrogant since i would of thought that they could read it clearly but choose not too, and be too picky. If they do find it truly difficult to read then i am wrong to judge. However if they do find my dialog to be offensive of shortening words they need to think why american english is different to british english eg, colour / color, though of course my shortening is a little different of course.

Sorry, but you're wrong on that too. God cares deeply about grammar and other such minutia.

"one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law" - Matthew 5:18

I suppose there isnt really much more i can say since i havent read the bible, if i did i would change my opinion. If god said himself to me that blacks/gays etc are not worth of equal rights i wouldnt follow him, because i think that is unfair and he should not be worthy of being worshipped. The bible was written ages ago and no matter what, it would show about how things were then and the authors perspective.

Thisll probably be the end of my debating now. Cya guys =].

You haven't even read the Bible?

Then where do you get off criticizing God?

[handmaiden]

Re: God "would" "believe" my "view" is agnostics are HELLBOUND

I put it as being arrogant since i would of thought that they could read it clearly but choose not too, and be too picky. If they do find it truly difficult to read then i am wrong to judge. However if they do find my dialog to be offensive of shortening words they need to think why american english is different to british english . . .

You do your countrymen a disfavor; the problem isn't British English.

Let's just look at the first sentence: "since i would of . . ." the first person singular reference should be captialized "I".

You treat that as a typo, but it really makes for a poor visual presentation as well as bad grammar and does nothing to improve either the understanding or appreciation of your writing. Foregoing the use of the upper case letter is not optional outside of text messages.

Furthermore, your use of "would of thought that . . ." is incorrect because "of" is a prepositon and you need a verb in that clause. "I would have thought that . . ." is correct. Kudos for using "that". Many English speakers leave out this particular conjunction. In Spanish, you can't get away with such usage.

This will conclude the pretentious grammar correcting portion of my post.

I suppose there isnt really much more i can say since i havent read the bible, if i did i would change my opinion. If god said himself to me that blacks/gays etc are not worth of equal rights i wouldnt follow him, because i think that is unfair and he should not be worthy of being worshipped. The bible was written ages ago and no matter what, it would show about how things were then and the authors perspective.

Since you haven't read the Bible and have decided to make your own judgments -- thus disavowing a biblical God whose dicates cannot be be filtered through a cultural or historical lens, this forum may not be a worthwhile use of your time.

Unless, of course, you have no life.

Thisll probably be the end of my debating now. Cya guys =].

There are a few here who would tell you to "Go in peace." Others will make reference to hell. Either way, we all encourage you to improve your writing.

Sincerely Yours,

Handmaiden

[Nobar King]

Re: God "would" "believe" my "view" is agnostics are HELLBOUND

You're not my tenth grade English teacher, are you?

[Capt. Aaron Portway]

Re: God "would" "believe" my "view" is agnostics are HELLBOUND

How do we know the 9/11 bombers were really bad. We know one side and that's that they drove a plane into the towers and killed innocent lives. However, how do we know that they weren't forced and/or threatened to do this, say if they didn't do it, their family would be killed and that they would find someone to do it anyway. And even if that isnt the case, why should they be punished coz thats what they have been led to believe was for the good of the world, just like how you think saying that everyone but your group will go to hell. Think about how if you weren't born where you live, you wouldn't have your christian faith and may believe in some other religion, possibly the same god but this is what you are taught and this is what you are told is right. So if they did redeem themselves, they wouldn't be laughing at us since they would have realised they were misguided. Anyway if any of you make anyones lives hell be it for them being black or gay, your not that far off from being as bad as terrorists.

So now your'e defending TERRORISTS!?!? Holy crap, you are one misguided moron! Really? The 9/11 Jihadists might not have been such bad guys? You're on your own on that one pal!

Next you'll try to tell us that the Democrats aren't trying to destroy America! Please! And I bet you think those Tea Party Patriots are a bunch of politcally ignorant, racist reactionaries!

You've got some pretty messed up ideas friend!

Oh, and I know this had been mentioned by others, but you write like a retarded person.

.

[Frankaz]

Re: God "would" "believe" my "view" is agnostics are HELLBOUND

First of all, try to take me seriously and open ur minds, im not here to critisize u, but to help u even if u think differently. Dont let yourselves be blinded by ur faith. Theres nothing wrong with ur faith in god. However from the few things ive read on here, u guys are extreme in ur beliefs. Please take the time to read this, it is for your own good after all.

I came here after some guy on another forum i visit linking to a thread about how evil australia is [porn site deleted]

I probably wont get through to most of u, but hopefully i can make some of u better people. Again i will say im not here to criticize u.

So im gonna start off with things ive seen and what i think of them:
1) "Women are not equal".
Totally bogus alot of ur views are outdated and women are just as worthy of men. There are bad women, there are bad men. There are good women. There are good men.
2) "Homosexuality is wrong and u will go to hell for ur sin".
Again very outdated. Gays are people too. I personally dont think gay relationships shud really happen, but they do and i have no problem with them. They are entitles to their own beliefs and feelings as well as everyone else. some maybe just confused, but there will be alot of them that u wont be able to change, and thats nothing to do with them being evil or sinners. The last sentence includes everyone else.
3) "Blacks are sinners, so are <insert country/race here>".
Again these are real people and u have no right to be racist and shud have the same rights as everyone else. I am willing to guess that pretty much none of u have ever left your own country, so really why should u have such a strong opinion on people you kno nothing about. Some of u may also of had bad experiences from a specific race, but u shoud kno that goes for any face including ur own.
4) "Disney channel is evil".
Dont even kno where u got that from, its entertainment for kids, stories used to be told and now tvs have become one source like it.
5) " Sex before marriage is wrong/Sex is sinful"
Tbh i didnt read the former part but u probably believe it anyway, ur entitled to ur opinion, but u shud remember people will have their beliefs too and just coz its different to urs doesnt mean theyre wrong, ever thought maybe u r wrong (not sayin u r). Sex is a pleasure that people enjoy and can bring people to have close relationships. We all kno sex is abused, but remember people have their views too. Also u say that prostitution is wrong. Maybe so but its still one of the oldest professions ever and possibly alot of them are forced into it and shud not be judged for that.
6) "Vegetarians are misguided"
We have incisors that are built to cut through meat, there's something called the food chain and we are entitled to eat meat. That is my opinion. However animals are treated cruelty and their soul is killed for us to consume their bodies. If u have ever had a pet, you would kno that they have their own character and feelings too. So vegetarians have the right to their beliefs.

There will be other views that i have missed but this thread should cover all you need to know. I hope you all can be better people, even though realistically not all of you will. If there is a god, u may go to hell for that, i personally think as long as ur intentions are good, and deep down ur a good person, u will go to heaven, otherwise u should be able to redeem yourself if you find how wrong you have been and are sorry as this is the fairest way and i believe in fairness. (im still not being critical, read on as im almost done)

We are all equal in this world. If u do reply please dont use bible quotes as they wont mean anything to me. Im sort of agnostic in the fact that god may exist, but im also open to the fact that there may not be one. DO NOT TRY TO COMMENT ON MY FAITH AS THAT IS NOT WHAT THIS THREAD IS FOR. This thread is to try to make u more open to other peoples values making u a better person. After all, would god really like you with all your judgements. Blacks, gays, women are all his creation and u have no right to criticize his work. We are all unique and thats what makes us great. You should respect everyone for theyre beliefs because im sure u wud like the same, and everyone deserves equal rights. Im willing to bet that alot of u get criticized and/or made fun of alot, and that will partly be because of ur extreme views that are misguided. I believe life is about being happy and being the best person u r. God would want you to love ur fellow men and women whoever they may be and what they believe in. Also another little tip would not to impose ur religion (or views as i have saying all in this thread) too strongly on other people.

There wasnt really a place to put this thread, but its here is a good enough place as this is where you pick on everyone else who dont share your own beliefs and you blindly criticize others thinking you are completely right. And you probably mostly dont know much about them either so dont really have any base for your argument.

Please treat me with respect as i have with u. If you do have doubts about what i have written as u probably will then dont just reject what i have written straight away. Think about it, really do until you can really

Frishy, you are clearly a witch and should be burned at the stake. How can you possibly spout such liberalist, Satanic nonsense!

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: God "would" "believe" my "view" is agnostics are HELLBOUND

So im gonna start off with things ive seen and what i think of them:

Why should we care what you think? We are interested in God's opinion, and it's in the Bible.

1) "Women are not equal".
Totally bogus alot of ur views are outdated and women are just as worthy of men. There are bad women, there are bad men. There are good women. There are good men.

God says that women are to be subject to men in the Bible, and makes it clear that they are men's property. Who are you to question God?

2) "Homosexuality is wrong and u will go to hell for ur sin".
Again very outdated. Gays are people too. I personally dont think gay relationships shud really happen, but they do and i have no problem with them. They are entitles to their own beliefs and feelings as well as everyone else. some maybe just confused, but there will be alot of them that u wont be able to change, and thats nothing to do with them being evil or sinners. The last sentence includes everyone else.

God declares homosexuality an abomination and demands that they be put to death. In the New Testament, homos are specifically listed among those who will not inherit the Kingdom of God.

Again, your opinion vs. God's Word. Who do you think wins?

3) "Blacks are sinners, so are <insert country/race here>".
Again these are real people and u have no right to be racist and shud have the same rights as everyone else. I am willing to guess that pretty much none of u have ever left your own country, so really why should u have such a strong opinion on people you kno nothing about. Some of u may also of had bad experiences from a specific race, but u shoud kno that goes for any face including ur own.

I've never seen anyone here say that all blacks are sinners because they are black. We have several prominent ex-Negroes here. Frankly, anyone not a True Christian(tm) is a sinner.

4) "Disney channel is evil".
Dont even kno where u got that from, its entertainment for kids, stories used to be told and now tvs have become one source like it.

We watched it and saw the perversions Disney promotes. Witchcraft, Islam, etc. Evil.

5) " Sex before marriage is wrong/Sex is sinful"
Tbh i didnt read the former part but u probably believe it anyway, ur entitled to ur opinion, but u shud remember people will have their beliefs too and just coz its different to urs doesnt mean theyre wrong, ever thought maybe u r wrong (not sayin u r). Sex is a pleasure that people enjoy and can bring people to have close relationships. We all kno sex is abused, but remember people have their views too. Also u say that prostitution is wrong. Maybe so but its still one of the oldest professions ever and possibly alot of them are forced into it and shud not be judged for that.

You're just an idiot, aren't you?

The Bible demands that if a woman pretends to be a virgin and her new husband learns she is not, he can have her STONED TO DEATH.

Fornication is against God's Will. How are you to know which man's wealth a child is to inherit if women are having relations with any man who comes their way?

6) "Vegetarians are misguided"
We have incisors that are built to cut through meat, there's something called the food chain and we are entitled to eat meat. That is my opinion. However animals are treated cruelty and their soul is killed for us to consume their bodies. If u have ever had a pet, you would kno that they have their own character and feelings too. So vegetarians have the right to their beliefs.

How does "having a right to their beliefs" negate our position that "vegetarians are misguided"?

Incidentally, animals do not have souls. Only humans do.

Can you imagine if animals had souls? Heaven would be miles deep in insects!

[WinterFresh]

Re: God "would" "believe" my "view" is agnostics are HELLBOUND

Don't even bother Frishy. Soon they will advice you to smack yourself with the bible until you believe in Jesus or die of head trauma.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: God "would" "believe" my "view" is agnostics are HELLBOUND

Don't even bother Frishy. Soon they will advice you to smack yourself with the bible until you believe in Jesus or die of head trauma.

What a great idea!

Of course, reading it would work, too.

[FISHBRAIN#2]

Re: God "would" "believe" my "view" is agnostics are HELLBOUND

lmao @ frankaz =P

So now your'e defending TERRORISTS!?!? Holy crap, you are one misguided moron! Really? The 9/11 Jihadists might not have been such bad guys? You're on your own on that one pal!

Like i say how do you know its the terrorists that are fully in the wrong, of course i do not condone terrorism, but terrorism is a big thing, and there will be be organisations in charge, and i was saying maybe its these that are the main blame for forcing terrorists into a position they have little choice in the matter.

At the soul thing. I count your being as a soul. So if you have feelings, and thoughts and basically you as a person, that is your soul. I'd be interested to know what you count as a soul. Animals have these things although are less cognitive,, they have a life.

Also i did ask for respect, saying im an idiot, and changing my thread title does not show this. I could be more brutally honest, but that wouldn't really do any good anyway. I also have the right to argue about god (even though that wasnt the point of the thread) without reading the bible since I find it highly unlikely that a book 2k years ago represents gods true word. There are so many things that could be wrong, like the fact that english as a language didnt exist then, so I'm guessing the bible is translated in which some things are likely to be translated wrong. and the fact that its so old makes it very little evidence. You all question other religions, do you read their own versions of the bible (not sure of any names of them). No you don't, yet when it comes to you, you say I have nothing to base my opinion on.

Anyway when you say heaven would be miles deep in insects. It's been 2010 years since Jesus and possibly tens or even hundreds of thousands of years before that of human kind on this planet. There are about 7 billion people alive
at the moment. Heaven would be seriously overcrowded anyway with a tiny fraction going to heaven. I say overcrowded but that wouldn't really make sense to say since we have no idea about it so could be limitless but my point stands.

Anyway you lot obviously have too closed minds blindly following the bible (possibly altering its meaning, however i can't comment on that, so we'll leave that). The whole thing could of just been a lie 2000 years ago, or maybe it had truth but what happened has largely been altered over time as naturally things do. But your faith is your decision. But God should not expect is to worship him over something this trivial, we know nothing about his presence. Jesus believed in peace and no violence, and so that would be gods word, that is why he died for us, peacefully. And all this time later we still have this rage against others, by his own followers. There can not be peace if we cannot accept others for who they are, and that is why a lot of our race is flawed.

The majority of people would agree with the base of my claims, everyone will find something of what i have said altogether that they don't agree on, but they would agree that your views are too strong.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: God "would" "believe" my "view" is agnostics are HELLBOUND

At the soul thing. I count your being as a soul. So if you have feelings, and thoughts and basically you as a person, that is your soul. I'd be interested to know what you count as a soul. Animals have these things although are less cognitive,, they have a life.

Oh, great. So now you're making up definitions for words.

The soul is the part of you which continues to exist after death. God breathed it into Adam, not into beetles.

Also i did ask for respect, saying im an idiot, and changing my thread title does not show this.

I don't know what your thread title was . . . however, if you continue to persist in idiotic statements, I will have to continue to call you an idiot.

Respect is earned, not demanded. You have done nothing to earn it. You have declared that your opinions outweigh God's direction. That is not only disrespectful of every single Christian on the face of the earth, but is also an affront to God.

Yet you think you deserve respect, when you insult us and God?

You come onto a Christian church's website and tell Christians that their views are horribly wrong . . . without ever having read the Bible.

Yet you think you deserve respect, when you show none?

I could be more brutally honest, but that wouldn't really do any good anyway. I also have the right to argue about god (even though that wasnt the point of the thread) without reading the bible since I find it highly unlikely that a book 2k years ago represents gods true word.

You have the "right" to say whatever you want, as long as the moderators of this privately-owned web forum agree to let you speak.

Whether you are right in what you say is a different story.

Tell me, do you think God, who created the entire universe in the blink of an eye, is so weak and pitiful that He can't make sure His book says what He wants it to?

You all question other religions, do you read their own versions of the bible (not sure of any names of them). No you don't, yet when it comes to you, you say I have nothing to base my opinion on.

I don't run around joining Islamic discussion forums and telling Muslims that their views on women's rights are wrong before Allah, no. That would be idiotic, as I do not know the Koran.

Anyway when you say heaven would be miles deep in insects. It's been 2010 years since Jesus and possibly tens or even hundreds of thousands of years before that of human kind on this planet. There are about 7 billion people alive at the moment. Heaven would be seriously overcrowded anyway with a tiny fraction going to heaven. I say overcrowded but that wouldn't really make sense to say since we have no idea about it so could be limitless but my point stands.

OH, you're an ATHEIST.

Why are you bothering a Christian church with your idiocy, atheist?

Anyway you lot obviously have too closed minds blindly following the bible (possibly altering its meaning, however i can't comment on that, so we'll leave that).

So you think we should pick and choose the parts of God's Holy Word that we like, and use the rest as so much toilet paper?

The majority of people would agree with the base of my claims, everyone will find something of what i have said altogether that they don't agree on, but they would agree that your views are too strong.

We don't care what "the majority of Hellbound people" think. We care what God thinks. You, last time I checked, are not God.

[The Hand]

Re: God "would" "believe" my "view" is agnostics are HELLBOUND

Like i say how do you know its the terrorists that are fully in the wrong, of course i do not condone terrorism, but terrorism is a big thing, and there will be be organisations in charge, and i was saying maybe its these that are the main blame for forcing terrorists into a position they have little choice in the matter.

Even the most liberal treehugging prancing dancing cowardly hippy wouldn't defend terrorism. That makes you either a terrorist or a supporter of terrorism.

At the soul thing. I count your being as a soul. So if you have feelings, and thoughts and basically you as a person, that is your soul. I'd be interested to know what you count as a soul. Animals have these things although are less cognitive,, they have a life.

Stop trying to sound clever. You are hopeless at it.

Also i did ask for respect, saying im an idiot, and changing my thread title does not show this. I could be more brutally honest, but that wouldn't really do any good anyway. I also have the right to argue about god (even though that wasnt the point of the thread) without reading the bible... blah blah blah...

Here are your RIGHTS, in case you missed them the first time.

Anyway when you say heaven would be miles deep in insects. It's been 2010 years since Jesus and possibly tens or even hundreds of thousands of years before that of human kind on this planet. There are about 7 billion people alive
at the moment. Heaven would be seriously overcrowded anyway with a tiny fraction going to heaven. I say overcrowded but that wouldn't really make sense to say since we have no idea about it so could be limitless but my point stands.

So let me see if I understand this right. You say yourself that you have no idea what you are talking about, and then punctuate it with "my point still stands"? Were you born stupid or are you just a gifted amateur?

Anyway you lot obviously have too closed minds blindly following the bible (possibly altering its meaning, however i can't comment on that, so we'll leave that). The whole thing could of just been a lie 2000 years ago, or maybe it had truth but what happened has largely been altered over time as naturally things do. But your faith is your decision. But God should not expect is to worship him over something this trivial, we know nothing about his presence. Jesus believed in peace and no violence, and so that would be gods word, that is why he died for us, peacefully. And all this time later we still have this rage against others, by his own followers. There can not be peace if we cannot accept others for who they are, and that is why a lot of our race is flawed.

Maybe you can explain what CHRIST meant when He said these then, since you're the expert:

Luke.19
[27] But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

Matt.10
[33] But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
[34] Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

CHRIST doesn't mess around with that peace nonsense, and had no patience for fools like you. He had an important job to do.

The majority of people would agree with the base of my claims, everyone will find something of what i have said altogether that they don't agree on, but they would agree that your views are too strong.

Yes, the majority of people will agree with the base of your claims: that you don't know what you are talking about.

Stop typing. Sit back and read a bit, before you regurgitate any more of that moron juice you've been drinking. Start with the BIBLE (KJV)