[His Final Harvest]

Re: Can Atheists Have a Code of Sexual Morality?

What you all seem to be forgetting is the number of 'jailhouse conversions' that take place in America's prisons, which frankly is huge. Now, whether they pick True Christianity or some satanistic garbage like Catholicism or Mormonism or Scientology, the fact is that they couldn't convert without first being atheists, could they? Furthermore, as we know criminology is a fundamentally God-denying act; if you're a True Christian you don't steal or murder or what have you, so if you break the law you're an atheist by virtue of your deeds.

Which means that if you go to jail you're either a follower of one of the false religions, or an atheist. That leaves only a small number of True Christians in jail, which would be accounted for by jailhouse conversions.

[Jo Freddie]

Re: Can Atheists Have a Code of Sexual Morality?

Here are the Baptist numbers for Texas

Texas Department of Criminal Justice
Source: Peggy Fikac. "More prison inmates say they're Baptist than any other religion." Associated Press (The Abilene Reporter-News)

Baptist 39,781 30.3%

[Lisa H]

Re: Can Atheists Have a Code of Sexual Morality?

Typical of Jo Freddie to hi-jack threads. We all know how many pirates end up in prison or are law breakers.

[Jo Freddie]

Re: Can Atheists Have a Code of Sexual Morality?

Must you hijack every thread to proselytize for your noodle cult? If I wanted to worship wheat products, I'd still be a Catholic.

I was not proselytising, just making available the figures to refute what James was saying.
As for worshipping wheat products:

69 And the Dalai Llama Answered: “The Flying Spaghetti Monster is not pasta, but a deity who chooses to represent Himself as pasta.
70 If you like Pasta, go ahead and eat some.
71 He doesn't mind, because the Sharing of the Pasta is a form of worship.
72 Especially the sharing part.
73 Transubstantiation is not part of Pastafarian doctrine.
74 That means when you eat Pasta, you aren't eating Him, but eating Pasta.”

Oh and The Good Lord gave more then just wheat to make Noodles out of

so the Lord FSM commanded the midget, saying, “Here’s an idea . . . why don’t you collect the semolina, rice and what-have-you, and make pasta in my image. That’s what it’s there for. And fill your mouth with it and be quiet and peaceful.

[Bobby-Joe]

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Oh we are very real James, as is The Flying Spaghetti Monster, unlike your imaginary friend and your made up book.

Based on what; You have a book that says so.

You seriously expect us TRUE Christians(tm) to accept that?

[Jo Freddie]

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Based on what; You have a book that says so.

You seriously expect us TRUE Christians™ to accept that?

We have truth and a book, what more do we need?

[BelieverInGod]

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[FONT="]And fill your mouth with it and be quiet and peaceful.

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We have truth and a book, what more do we need?

Maybe not having the guy who made it up actually going around saying that it's satire? That he made it up so that he could take on school boards in Kansas?

[Higgins]

Re: Can Atheists Have a Code of Sexual Morality?

Moving to the point, can atheists have a code of sexual morality? Well yes and no, it is a matter of contention as to how you interpret this question.

Yes.
Only three real points I would like to make here. First, is that it would be possible for atheists to have a code of sexual morality it they a.exist, b. have sexual intercourse, and c. are capable of logical thought (in terms of ethics). Secondly, their ethical system must be based upon logic (since they by definition do not believe in a god), which can only carry so far. Finally, their sexual morality would have to be contingent with their morality in other aspects of their lives (for instance an atheist cannot be a Kantian in everyday life and then an Utilitarian in the bedroom).

No.
As pointed out atheists must fulfill certain requirements in order to have an ethical code. (They must exist) We all know this isn't true as the saying goes 'there are no atheists in foxholes' and we are all clearly living in a foxhole (unless you have found Jesus). (They must have sexual intercourse) Painfully not true, because in order to have sexual intercourse one must exist. (Capable of logical thought) Even if atheists existed, they are unable to do so because they have not subscribed to a religion. As for basing their ethics on logic, logic can only carry one so far, and after that one can either reserve to not knowing (the atheist) or trust in a higher power (the believer).

While it could be (or not) that an atheist has a sexual morality, a better question would be if the atheist's sexual morality is valid? To which I think we all know the answer.

[Lisa H]

Re: Can Atheists Have a Code of Sexual Morality?

Moving to the point, can atheists have a code of sexual morality? Well yes and no, it is a matter of contention as to how you interpret this question.

Yes.
Only three real points I would like to make here. First, is that it would be possible for atheists to have a code of sexual morality it they a.exist, b. have sexual intercourse, and c. are capable of logical thought (in terms of ethics). Secondly, their ethical system must be based upon logic (since they by definition do not believe in a god), which can only carry so far. Finally, their sexual morality would have to be contingent with their morality in other aspects of their lives (for instance an atheist cannot be a Kantian in everyday life and then an Utilitarian in the bedroom).

No.
As pointed out atheists must fulfill certain requirements in order to have an ethical code. (They must exist) We all know this isn't true as the saying goes 'there are no atheists in foxholes' and we are all clearly living in a foxhole (unless you have found Jesus). (They must have sexual intercourse) Painfully not true, because in order to have sexual intercourse one must exist. (Capable of logical thought) Even if atheists existed, they are unable to do so because they have not subscribed to a religion. As for basing their ethics on logic, logic can only carry one so far, and after that one can either reserve to not knowing (the atheist) or trust in a higher power (the believer).

While it could be (or not) that an atheist has a sexual morality, a better question would be if the atheist's sexual morality is valid? To which I think we all know the answer.

The answer is no. Atheists do not have a code of sexual morality. They are the ones that go around spreading sexual diseases, children out of marriage, lustful orgies. I have even over heard atheists boasting about how they have sex in public like wild animals.

[Naomi-Ruth]

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I must question why this was even brought up in the first place. Atheists do not believe in God. Lack of belief in Him= lack of morality. The only way is through the Lord. We all know what God thinks of non-believers and these Satan-lovers.

Mark 16:16 should remind us all:
"He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned."

One cannot stray from the path of the Lord and still be "moral," for morality is a gift from Him to those that believe with all their hearts. Atheists, be assured that the Lord knows what's in your heart, and he will smite you for your numerous sins. I will rejoice and praise Him when the Rapture comes and these non-believers get what they deserve, for "The righteous shall rejoice when he seeth the vengeance: he shall wash his feet in the blood of the wicked." Psalm 58:10

[His Final Harvest]

Re: Can Atheists Have a Code of Sexual Morality?

Moving to the point, can atheists have a code of sexual morality? Well yes and no, it is a matter of contention as to how you interpret this question.

Yes.
Only three real points I would like to make here. First, is that it would be possible for atheists to have a code of sexual morality it they a.exist, b. have sexual intercourse, and c. are capable of logical thought (in terms of ethics). Secondly, their ethical system must be based upon logic (since they by definition do not believe in a god), which can only carry so far. Finally, their sexual morality would have to be contingent with their morality in other aspects of their lives (for instance an atheist cannot be a Kantian in everyday life and then an Utilitarian in the bedroom).

No.
As pointed out atheists must fulfill certain requirements in order to have an ethical code. (They must exist) We all know this isn't true as the saying goes 'there are no atheists in foxholes' and we are all clearly living in a foxhole (unless you have found Jesus). (They must have sexual intercourse) Painfully not true, because in order to have sexual intercourse one must exist. (Capable of logical thought) Even if atheists existed, they are unable to do so because they have not subscribed to a religion. As for basing their ethics on logic, logic can only carry one so far, and after that one can either reserve to not knowing (the atheist) or trust in a higher power (the believer).

While it could be (or not) that an atheist has a sexual morality, a better question would be if the atheist's sexual morality is valid? To which I think we all know the answer.

I've never been 100% sure about that 'no atheists in foxholes' line, because if anyone was going to molest foxes, badgers or other of God's woodland creatures surely it would be a filthy perverted atheist?

[Jo Freddie]

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Not big on following your own religion, are you.

With a fuller version opf the passage you can see the FSM was referring to those that whinge to him too much.

That midget, however, was goddamn noisy. The FSM couldn’t deal with all the complaining down on earth, so the Lord FSM commanded the midget, saying, “Here’s an idea . . . why don’t you collect the semolina, rice and what-have-you, and make pasta in my image. That’s what it’s there for. And fill your mouth with it and be quiet and peaceful.

Maybe not having the guy who made it up actually going around saying that it's satire? That he made it up so that he could take on school boards in Kansas?

That is a claim propagated by the christian and krishna media in an attempt to undermine the work of the Great prophet.

The Great Prophet has been asked about why he wrote the Letter and the Gospel and he is quite clear about it, He was told to by God, The One True God, The Flying Spaghetti Monster.

Reporter: What do you prefer to call your religion, Pastafarianism or FSMism?

Bobby Henderson: I use the term "FSMism" by habit, but "Pastafarianism" is growing on me.

Reporter: When did you start the religion and how did the idea come to you?

Bobby Henderson: The letter came first. I didn't put it up online until several weeks later, after receiving no replies from the KS Board. Mounting disgust over the whole ID issue and lack of sleep were the prime catalysts. Also, the FSMonster told me to do it.

Reporter: When did you know you were the chosen Prophet for the great Flying Spaghetti Monster? Does He still speak to you?

Bobby Henderson: I had of course seen spaghetti several times throughout my life, but it wasn't until He revealed Himself to me and touched me with His Noodly Appendage that I knew I was Chosen. Does He still speak to me? If by that you mean "Do I hear voices in my head?" the answer is yes. Further evidence that He is near me abounds. I oftentimes find that I have made mistakes in my day-to-day activities. These, clearly, are the work of a mischievous Flying Spaghetti Monster, tampering with my work with His Noodly Appendage, purely for his own amusement.

As I have pointed out before their are clear cases of Pastafarianism that pre-date the birth of The Great Prophet.