[Alphonse Alban]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

And yet you can't say anything else up than to read the king james bible...i laugh at you...

KJV is only thing that is needed you nimrod. No need to be bitter, I just said you MAY persecure us as many times as you want for our beliefs.


Matthew 5:10-12 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

You are welcome, no need to thank me.

YiC,

Alphonse

[Booger]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

lol http://www.landoverbaptist.org/tos.html

read the bottom after you highlight it with your mouse/trackpad....I laugh at you

[Cursed]

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We don't click on links from unsaved trash, you pervert!

[A Follower]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

lol http://www.landoverbaptist.org/tos.html

read the bottom after you highlight it with your mouse/trackpad....I laugh at you

And http://whitehouse.org is the official White House website

Thanks for once again showing the stupidity if atheists, if it weren't for you guys exposing your own faults we'd hardly be able to show how wrong you are.

[Finland FTW]

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"#5 Only biblical faith offers objective standards of good and evil.
One just has to look at atheists societies like ancient Rome to see they had completely different morality than the Christian society of the West now. Rome lived by a philosophy of might makes right that gave Rome the moral superiority to invade their neighbors. Contrast that with America's war of liberation in Iraq and Mexico in 1848. Christians have the morality to know when their neighbors are evil and need to be destroyed."

okay first of all, the people in rome was not atheists. thay belived in gods like Janus, Quirinus and saturn (just to name a few) before thay became christians.

second of all, as many people have tried to explained here there is no objective moral standard. it's created by the societys we live in, but i have seen that you have failed to understan/accept that so i will not go on about that.
insted i will just say that if (IF!!) there was an objective moral standard and it was created by your god i would not follow that standard even if he told me so himself. he thinks it's okay with slavery, he encurreg murder (and mass murder as well), he has persenally killed more then 200 000 people (thats just the number thats said in the bible and its without counting things like "everyone on earth exept noa and hes family") he has even endorsed a human sacrifice. i could go on but i think you get the point. the truth is that the god of the bible is the most imoral character i could ever think of and i have yet to find ONE good reason to worship him sence my moral standart, and all other people i have met standards and probebly even your moral standard, is way beond his.

i hope i haven't offended anyone, and please excuse my spelling

[secondtimesthecharm]

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While I respect your viewpoints, I do have some things for you to think about..
1) Atheists do have mercy for others, and comparing regular atheists to Nazis, Communists etc. is very extreme. Most communists actually do believe in a G-d and the Nazis were actually Catholics (a requirement to be a part of the Aryan Race).

2) Natural disasters may be the hand of G-d to spite the sinners, but then he has to move tectonic plates, create tidal forces, as well as burn the ground we live on in order to create the lava that supposedly comes from hell.

3) you skipped this, I guess this is a free-bee for me

4) Animals and Humans may be different in some ways however similar in others. Both of us have brains, skeletons, respiratory systems, reproductive systems, and digestive systems so based on our looks we are different (somewhat) but based on how our bodies work, we are slightly similar.

5) Standards of good and evil don't just come from the Bible, but also come from our conscience. That is our inner self telling us what is right and wrong. (Also, ancient Rome's religion was not based on an Atheist belief system but was actually a Polytheistic religion.)

6) This combines numbers 1 and 4. Conscience comes back into play here telling us what is right or wrong. Most Atheists are decent human beings and do not carve people like pigs (also very extreme) nor even steal a pack of gum from a grocery store. However, most Christians are also great people but there are some murderers, stealers, and rapists.

7) This is not something I can argue with you about. This is your belief and I respect that you believe this.

8) I think what you are trying to say here is that a false G-d can not exist within the universe, however nobody has shown a G-d who exists outside of our universe so it must not be true. I understand that, up until the point where it must not be true. Things that have not yet been discovered are not false, I'm positive there was something that happened in the biblical times that Jesus did that was not recorded, does this make it false that we don't know it existed or happened?

9) Most religions that existed before Christianity were Polytheistic but Judaism was not one of them. In fact, Judaism and Christianity share the same book (the Old Testament) and Christianity first stemmed off of Judaism. That being said, Atheism is nothing like Christianity (it is actually the complete opposite) meaning it is not a copy. I do not believe it is a mockery of Christianity but that is your opinion and you are free to believe that.

10) Judaism also believes in an infinite creator, G-d.

[Booboosbegone]

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I believe #3 is supposed to be.

"Just cause you can't see it for yourselves doesn't mean it doesn't exist." Which is also a huge reason 'faith' exists. People need faith, whether it be through a deity or a spiritual sense of self. Not saying all forms of it are fantastic (scientology... ><)

However, listing it out as trollingbait is my issue here. It really doesn't show your maturity over the atheists.

and I do have to disagree. But moreso from an idea invented a long time ago. Karma. It may of just been innate in humans, but depending on environment karma comes up in one way or another. You're horrible to someone, they'll do bad things to you. You're nice to them MORE THAN LIKELY they'll be nice back. That's how ancient societies based their 'Morales' around rather than religion.

However when we all can unify under the same religion it makes it a lot easier then cause nobody can defy what's immoral and what's moral. Hence why 'melting pot' societies start to fail.

I see the points on both sides, I just choose to have faith that He will reward us for our 'karma'.

[secondtimesthecharm]

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I respect that, and I dont mean to sound like a troll, I was just pointing somethings out. I apologize if I came across that way.

[whaddupbible]

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Is this thread supposed to be serious?

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

Is this thread supposed to be serious?

We are as serious as the fires of Hell, where you are heading at 200 mph at the moment.

[ramakandra]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

The following ten points absolutely destroy Atheism.

#1 Atheists have no mercy or pity for others.

Time and time again history as shown with the Nazis, the Communists, the New Deal, the Spanish Inquisition that atheists will behave in a cruel and callous manner towards thier fellow man.

none of those concepts are atheistic, as a matter of fact the inquistion was religions in nature.

#2 To an Atheist a natural disaster is just a random event
Only a Christian can understand that when a building collapses in an earthquake that is the hand of God slaying sinners. Atheists are willfully blind to the unconditional tough love of God for His creation. In short Atheists lack pity for those who are killed in these disasters.

atheists cry out as much as any cristian on this matter, not because some invicible friend tells them too, but because they are sincerely appalled by the event, seriously how blind do you have to be to believe this bullshit?

#4To an atheists there is no difference between an animal and a human
To an Atheist A pig or a human, an ape or a human, what is the difference? For Atheists they are all products of random chance. If Atheists were true to their beliefs they would be running around naked and tossing feces at each other and eating other people. They lack the compassion for their fellow man to realize animals are just tools placed here for us to use as we see fit.

here you completly misinterpret evolution, im not even going to dignify it with any statement but this.

#5 Only biblical faith offers objective standards of good and evil.
One just has to look at atheists societies like ancient Rome to see they had completely different morality than the Christian society of the West now. Rome lived by a philosophy of might makes right that gave Rome the moral superiority to invade their neighbors. Contrast that with America's war of liberation in Iraq and Mexico in 1848. Christians have the morality to know when their neighbors are evil and need to be destroyed.

how is the bible in anyway objective? it shows the world through a single looking glass and guess what? the glass has been fractured over the centuries. also, rome had a whole pantheon of gods, how were they atheists?? also the bible literally says "thou shalt not kill"!! who the hell are you cristians to go against that? the very word of your own god and still call yourself moral?

#6 Atheists have no reason to feel pity for anyone or anything.
Sure Atheists may feel pity in their hearts of hearts but philosophically they have no reason to. Carving another human being up to them is just like carving a pig.

atheists are still human and therefor have a heart. people with a heart will feel pity, ergo; atheists feel pity as much as the next guy. at any rate, atheists feel their emotions because they can and want too, cristians feel them because their god and preacher tell them too, so you guys tell me, who has the moral high ground here?

#7 Throughout human history there have never been any other gods but God.
God is the only God humanity ever had. Sure various confused pagans called God by different names like Thor, Zeus, Angra Mainyu and Kali but that has always been God. The past was not atheists, it Was Christian.

anciant assyrian, chinese, egyptian, greek, aztec, mayan, britisch, etc texts ALL mention atheists well before the bible, so theres another statement down the drain for ya. the presence of other gods (whether or not they are or are not the true god) has no bearance on the existance atheism either.

#8 There were false gods, but they were false because they exist within the Universe, not outside it.
No atheist can show us a false god who existed outside the universe so case closed.

atheists do not have to show anything concerning god, so far no theist has actually proven god, untill that time atheists can rest on their laurals.

#9 Any religion younger than Christianity is just a copy of Christianity.
Since Christianity is the Gold standard of morality all other religions just copy Christian doctrine like Islam. Atheism is younger than Christianity therefor Atheism is a mockery of Christianity.

i refer again to the anciant texts

#10 Only Christianity has ever had the idea of an eternal, infinite creator God.
No one, not the Egyptians, the Meso-Americans or even the Sumerians has a infinite God. Even Atheism doesn't have an infinite creator God.

so what if you have an eternal god? the idea is still as redundant as all the other gods...

I await your rebuttals to my points Atheists.

here they are, enjoy

[The immolated]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

i refer again to the anciant texts

That were most likely made up by atheists to try disprove God.

Enjoy your Eternity of damnation .

[AngelOfTheRose]

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none of those concepts are atheistic, as a matter of fact the inquistion was religions in nature.



atheists cry out as much as any cristian on this matter, not because some invicible friend tells them too, but because they are sincerely appalled by the event, seriously how blind do you have to be to believe this bullshit?



here you completly misinterpret evolution, im not even going to dignify it with any statement but this.



how is the bible in anyway objective? it shows the world through a single looking glass and guess what? the glass has been fractured over the centuries. also, rome had a whole pantheon of gods, how were they atheists?? also the bible literally says "thou shalt not kill"!! who the hell are you cristians to go against that? the very word of your own god and still call yourself moral?



atheists are still human and therefor have a heart. people with a heart will feel pity, ergo; atheists feel pity as much as the next guy. at any rate, atheists feel their emotions because they can and want too, cristians feel them because their god and preacher tell them too, so you guys tell me, who has the moral high ground here?



anciant assyrian, chinese, egyptian, greek, aztec, mayan, britisch, etc texts ALL mention atheists well before the bible, so theres another statement down the drain for ya. the presence of other gods (whether or not they are or are not the true god) has no bearance on the existance atheism either.



atheists do not have to show anything concerning god, so far no theist has actually proven god, untill that time atheists can rest on their laurals.



i refer again to the anciant texts

so what if you have an eternal god? the idea is still as redundant as all the other gods...

here they are, enjoy

#1. That is just your Athiestic lies that you fall back on once you have been found out. Communism especially has been put forth by Athiests. Many, many Christians have been killed and silenced by the so-called "Mother Russia," for instance. Entire churches were shut down, members killed or forced to practice their beliefs in secrecy.

#2. The Lord God is not our "Invincible Friend." He is our Father and our Creator and we are His Children. He is not just "some friend." The Almighty is much more than that.

#4. The reason you cannot "dignify it with a response" is because you do not have a credible response that is held up by the Word(tm). I think YOU are misinterpreting Evolution. Granted, that's not exactly hard to do since all it is is a theory riddled with more holes than Swiss cheese, which I hate.

#5. That is how it is objective, since the Bible is the Ultimate Truth and the direct Word of God(tm). Also, do you know what happened to Rome, Sinner? The empire crumbled and burned! Have you ever heard of the Whore of Babylon from the great Book of Revelations? Many biblical scholars believe "Babylon the Great" to be an allegory for the whore-y roman empire!

#6. Because you have not accepted the Lord Jesus Christ as your savior, you cannot know what love is.

#7. And do you know what happened to most of those societies? Assyrians? Predominantly Christian! Chinese? Communist whores! Egyptians? A pale shell of what they formerly were! Aztec and Mayan? Wiped out! Greece? 97% of them today identify as Christians!

#8. No, you can't rest on your laurels as you have neither disproven God nor given an argument for the creation of the universe other than "something exploded."

#9. All lies.

#10. How is that redundant? Ours is the only one that is eternal and infinite! All others are false! There is no redundancy here.

I did enjoy your rebuttals because they were laughable falsities.

[ramakandra2]

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#1. That is just your Athiestic lies that you fall back on once you have been found out. Communism especially has been put forth by Athiests. Many, many Christians have been killed and silenced by the so-called "Mother Russia," for instance. Entire churches were shut down, members killed or forced to practice their beliefs in secrecy.

i have no reason to lie about this. the way you put your arguements forward shows you clearly havent had an objective eduction. as such i wont even go near that quagmire!

#2. The Lord God is not our "Invincible Friend." He is our Father and our Creator and we are His Children. He is not just "some friend." The Almighty is much more than that.

the lord is imaginary, otherwise he would have sent a clear sign he is reall, simply to be done with all the disbelievers. but it seems however that god rather wants humans to go against his suposed will. as such he cant be reall.

#4. The reason you cannot "dignify it with a response" is because you do not have a credible response that is held up by the Word™. I think YOU are misinterpreting Evolution. Granted, that's not exactly hard to do since all it is is a theory riddled with more holes than Swiss cheese, which I hate.

i cant help but notice you forgot number 3, the reason i wont dignify it is because i know how thick skulled christians like yourself are and no matter how hard i tried to tell you how it works, you would never accept it. your doing it even now im not going into it.

#5. That is how it is objective, since the Bible is the Ultimate Truth and the direct Word of God™. Also, do you know what happened to Rome, Sinner? The empire crumbled and burned! Have you ever heard of the Whore of Babylon from the great Book of Revelations? Many biblical scholars believe "Babylon the Great" to be an allegory for the whore-y roman empire!

its not the direct word of god, it did not fall from heaven. it was written over the decades by people and clearly shows their own perspective. any human not seeing this must surely be blind. furthermore, every empire constructed so far crumbled, so far Rome is still the longest lasting empire, boeasting a history at least 10 times longer then any christian gocernment. so your points are pretty moot, sad and weak.

#6. Because you have not accepted the Lord Jesus Christ as your savior, you cannot know what love is.

i can and do know what love is, far better then any theist ever could, because again; i do not make distinction between colour, creed, location, origin, etc. i know for a fact christian are hate mongerers against everyone who isnt EXACTLY like them.

it never ceases to amaze me that christians can claim to hold a higher love for humanity, when you guys so clearly do not!

#7. And do you know what happened to most of those societies? Assyrians? Predominantly Christian! Chinese? Communist whores! Egyptians? A pale shell of what they formerly were! Aztec and Mayan? Wiped out! Greece? 97% of them today identify as Christians!

civilizations come and go, thats the way of the world dear, learn to deal with it or dont. but do not make ridiculous statements, i can only laugh at the point you made here.

#8. No, you can't rest on your laurels as you have neither disproven God nor given an argument for the creation of the universe other than "something exploded."

you wouldnt understand if i explained the physics behind the big bang anyway, so why should i take the effort? especially knowing youll just throw biblical verses at it anyway.

#9. All lies.

my very DNA doesnt allow me to lie.

#10. How is that redundant? Ours is the only one that is eternal and infinite! All others are false! There is no redundancy here.

all theists claim their religion is the true faith, yet they are blind to the similarities with other religions. at any rate, i do not need a book or imaginary friend to tell me what is right and what is wrong. i have brains enough to figure that out on my own thank you very much.

by all means though, dont let me stop you from becoming a better person through god though. i'd rather have you in church then the mental hospital or jail where you belong!

I did enjoy your rebuttals because they were laughable falsities.

its your loss you cant take this seriously, not mine.

[AngelOfTheRose]

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its your loss you cant take this seriously, not mine.

Go back to the brimfire from which you were banished to, Enemy of God.