[Lycia The Repentant]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

Well, friend. If you took 3 seconds of your time to read the Original Post; you would see I am correct; I am not saying it was a huge mistake nor a mistake of much relevance.

If you're really having THAT much trouble seeing his #3 point, I'll repost it for you





Happy?

[TheHeretic]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

If you're really having THAT much trouble seeing his #3 point, I'll repost it for you





Happy?

Nothing is shown, I am assuming you are all trying to get the point across that since I am a 'god-fear/hating atheist scum I cannot see #3' right?

What did I say about respect? Hmmm?

[Lycia The Repentant]

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Nothing is shown, I am assuming you are all trying to get the point across that since I am a 'god-fear/hating atheist scum I cannot see #3' right?

What did I say about respect? Hmmm?

Actually, sorry about that, I messed up my post.

But you know what, its right there! Why should I even bother to go out of my way to repost it?

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

Well, friend. If you took 3 seconds of your time to read the Original Post; you would see I am correct;

I don't see any need for that. I am certain Brother Bobby-Joe did not make such a mistake. Perhaps you should spend 30 seconds on looking for yourself.

[TheHeretic]

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Actually, sorry about that, I messed up my post.

But you know what, its right there! Why should I even bother to go out of my way to repost it?

It is not there, I have looked plenty of times. You should not have to bother to go out of your way, keep in mind however; I never asked you to repost it.

I don't see any need for that. I am certain Brother Bobby-Joe did not make such a mistake. Perhaps you should spend 30 seconds on looking for yourself.

Friend, you are wrong. There is no point 3. Bobby-Joe must have made a mistake. I mean no offence, nor do I wish to insult.

[Cranky Old Man]

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Friend, you are wrong.

So according to you Brother Bobby-Joe is wrong and I am wrong as well? Did it occur to you that you might be the one that is wrong here? Just like you are wrong on Atheism?

[TheHeretic]

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So according to you Brother Bobby-Joe is wrong and I am wrong as well? Did it occur to you that you might be the one that is wrong here? Just like you are wrong on Atheism?

Yes, according to me; and the first post. You are wrong, there is not a third point. I am not sure if your are messing with me, or you honestly believe there is a point 3, which just proves you have blind faith.

[Brother Temperance]

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Point #1. Now, that is entirely untrue. In fact, the other day I bought a homeless man some food as well as something to drink. I show mercy, I show pity. I am not asking you to believe me, but you must know this is false? Surely you cannot be so dull as to assume that atheists as a whole are uncaring people?

Friend, only Christians can show true loving charity. If you were nice to that homeless man, then it must have been because you wanted something from him in return. Unless you genuinely were doing it for no other reason than because he needed it, which is Godless COMMUNISM, and promotes welfare dependency. Either way, you cannot act morally without God guiding you.

Point #2. Now, you claim here that we think that natural disasters are random events, this is not true at all...

So if they're not random, I suppose science can tell me where and when the next one will happen?

Also, you claim that the earthquake is gods way of 'slaying sinners' Do you honestly believe that out of the hundreds of thousands, if not millions of earthquakes that have happened that no a single christian has been killed?

No True Christian™, no. If you're going to claim that a True Christian™ died in an earthquake, then the burden of proof is on you to provide evidence to support your claim.

Point #4 We do think that there is a difference between animals and human, through years of evolution; not random chance, we are very different. I cant even continue this, this point is so ridiculous.

Praise! You concede defeat.

Point #5 Now this is nothing against atheism at all.. Its just a statement really. Good on you.

Praise! You concede defeat.

Point #6 In our hearts of hearts? Search the meaning of Philosophy.

Praise! You concede defeat.

Point #7 Now you say really nothing about atheism, you spout out random gods from various religions.. this is once again nothing to do with atheism.

That's because atheism is irrelevant. Not even you can deny that. God wins again!

Point #8 Oh wow.. I am not sure where to start. You invite us to show you a false god... Remembering we're atheists.. right? We dont believe in Gods.

BJ said "No atheist can show us a false god who existed outside the universe so case closed." Thanks for proving his point. God wins again! Praise!

Point #9 Atheism is a mockery of Christianity... So you think that Christianity was the first religion, or belief; If I may. What about the millions of years before Jesus Christ was even born? You dont think a single belief was formed until god? That is foolish my friend.

We're not talking about what Satan got up to before Christ came to earth; the challenge was "Atheism is younger than Christianity therefor Atheism is a mockery of Christianity." Can you show us a single scientific theory that proves atheism from before 0 AD? I didn't think so. Chalk another one up for God!

Point #10 Congratulations, Atheism has no Infinite Creator God. You do know what Atheism is right? We dont believe in deities, hence the no Infinite Creater bloke...

YES! GAME, SET AND MATCH TO GOD! Christianity can explain the existence of an Infinite Creator God; Atheist dogma cannot. You admit once again that atheism is an incoherent mess that cannot explain anything or save anyone's soul. Hallelujah!

My friend, if you check the Original Post; the writer forgot to add a number 3 Atheism will be crush by a non-existent question?

You think God is "non-existent", so it seems perfectly reasonable to me that a so-called "non-existent" being should use a "non-existent" argument to make His case. Praise! The atheist is reeling on the ropes here.

[TheHeretic]

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NONSENSE REMOVED


Point 1
I gave the homeless man the food; because he needed it.. I did not encourage him to be homeless. I showed compassion and showed another human pity.

Point 2
While they might not be random events, our technology hasn't progressed enough for us to determine when and where a disaster will strike long before it happens.

Point 4
You're an idiot.

Point 5
Friend, I conceded nothing. I merely pointed out that this point did not have anything to do with atheism, or at the least; did 'crush' it.

Point 6
I dont see how I conceded defeat here either?

Point 7
Once again, you only make an attack to atheism; which did not prove me wrong.

Point 8
Ok; well.. you are forgeting something very serious. He is right yes. We cant show you a god, THAT IS BECAUSE WE DONT BELIEVE IN ONE. So your god doesn't not win..

Point 9
You make my head hurt from your stupidity.

Point 10
We can prove there is no god.


and, you do realise that none of your arguments made sense, nor did they prove my arguments wrong.

[Cranky Old Man]

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Point 4 You're an idiot.

A very convincing and well structured answer. Atheist I presume?

[TheHeretic]

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A very convincing and well structured answer. Atheist I presume?

Correct, friend. The blind faith of this man is annoying. You cannot debate with blind faith, not for any other reason than they will not listen to you and will say nonsense.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

My friend; firstly. You have 9 points shown not ten. #3 must have been forgotten.

Now as an atheist, I have been talking to christians for a long time. I have no quarrels with you as a community. I do however would like to refute some of your points.

Very well friend.

BTW While I am repeating Brother Temperance's answers that is the nature of The TRUTH and I feel obliged to reply to you since you answered me.

Point #1. Now, that is entirely untrue. In fact, the other day I bought a homeless man some food as well as something to drink. I show mercy, I show pity. I am not asking you to believe me, but you must know this is false? Surely you cannot be so dull as to assume that atheists as a whole are uncaring people?

How is that compassion or pity? The man is homeless because he is a sinner. That's why God took his home away.

Point #2. Now, you claim here that we think that natural disasters are random events, this is not true at all... Disasters such as earthquakes we believe are caused by a release of pressure in the earth crust. Also, you claim that the earthquake is gods way of 'slaying sinners' Do you honestly believe that out of the hundreds of thousands, if not millions of earthquakes that have happened that no a single christian has been killed?

I assure you no TRUE Christian has ever been killed in an earthquake. By definition only sinners are killed in earthquakes so those claiming to be Christians who die in them are false Christians.

Point #4 We do think that there is a difference between animals and human, through years of evolution; not random chance, we are very different. I cant even continue this, this point is so ridiculous.

So you would deny a poor man the right to work his horse to death just to make a living?

Point #5 Now this is nothing against atheism at all.. Its just a statement really. Good on you.

You disagree that Mexico didn't need to be destroyed in 1848? Only an atheist would say that.

Point #6 In our hearts of hearts? Search the meaning of Philosophy.
Point #7 Now you say really nothing about atheism, you spout out random gods from various religions.. this is once again nothing to do with atheism.

Perhaps I wasn't clear enough; the default state of humanity is theism. We came form theists cultures originally.

Point #8 Oh wow.. I am not sure where to start. You invite us to show you a false god... Remembering we're atheists.. right? We dont believe in Gods.

You believe some magical fish named Tiktaalik married a magical ape named Procouncilus Africanus and an ape child named Homo-Sapien Sapien who was the first human. How is that not false gods?

Point #9 Atheism is a mockery of Christianity... So you think that Christianity was the first religion, or belief; If I may. What about the millions of years before Jesus Christ was even born? You dont think a single belief was formed until god? That is foolish my friend.

As I stated those were all just God with people using other names.

Point #10 Congratulations, Atheism has no Infinite Creator God. You do know what Atheism is right? We dont believe in deities, hence the no Infinite Creater bloke...

Yes, that's why Christianity is better. We have a creator God. Before your dubiously named Big Bang you have nothing.

Most of this points are meaningless and redundant.

Anyway, I think I have been rather polite, not swearing or using vulgar language. The only thing I ask is you pay me the same respect I have paid you. I do not hate you, nor do I distain your existance, I accept all beliefs.
I just however chose not to follow such ideals.

Thank you for answering in a respectful and polite tone friend. I hope we can make you see the Divine Revelation before we are done.

EDIT from your reply to Brother Temperance

and, you do realise that none of your arguments made sense, nor did they prove my arguments wrong.

How would expect God to make sense friend? After all God exists outside space and time. The very fact they are illogical is proof we TRUE Christians(tm) are on the right tract.

[Brother Temperance]

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Point 1
I gave the homeless man the food; because he needed it.. I did not encourage him to be homeless. I showed compassion and showed another human pity.

Make your mind up! If you're giving him food just for being homeless, then you're giving him an incentive to carry on being homeless. That's not very compassionate.

Point 2
While they might not be random events, our technology hasn't progressed enough for us to determine when and where a disaster will strike long before it happens.

So they're basically random events then. I notice you can't even give the name of a single True Christian who's been killed by an earthquake.

Point 4
You're an idiot.

Resorting to personal attacks because you're unable to defend your case. Your argument is well and truly crushed now.

Point 5
Friend, I conceded nothing. I merely pointed out that this point did not have anything to do with atheism, or at the least; did 'crush' it.

You can't see how atheists having no standards of good and evil has anything to do with atheism?

Point 6
I dont see how I conceded defeat here either?

You made no attempt to dispute his basic point, which still stands.

Point 7
Once again, you only make an attack to atheism; which did not prove me wrong.

When you've been proven wrong, just saying "I have not been proven wrong" doesn't magically make you right again. That's not how logic works, friend.

Point 8
Ok; well.. you are forgeting something very serious. He is right yes. We cant show you a god, THAT IS BECAUSE WE DONT BELIEVE IN ONE. So your god doesn't not win..

Again, you're not even making any attempt to prove the existence of a false god who existed outside the universe. Another knockout victory for Jesus.

Point 9
You make my head hurt from your stupidity.

Again, you're not arguing any argument whatsoever. Destroying your weak claims is like watching Muhammad Ali beat up a retarded kid.

Point 10
We can prove there is no god.

I don't care about what you can or can't prove the non-existence of. The simple fact is that Christianity can explain the FACT that God exists, atheism can't, so Christianity is clearly superior.

and, you do realise that none of your arguments made sense, nor did they prove my arguments wrong.

Isaiah 29:14 Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.

1 Corinthians 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.


1 Corinthians 3:18 Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.

[Bobby-Joe]

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I'm finding a lot of your points rather infuriating but I need sleep so I'll have to respond in parts.

Firstly: in #2 not only are you wrong in saying that natural disasters are random (firmly established scientific theory can provide reasons and causes for everything I can think of) but you say that being cast into hell is tough love.. I fail to see any semblance of love in that sentiment or is hell a lot cushier than you seem to be letting on, and do they get another chance?

Sure, they could have begged for Christ's forgiveness before He killed them.

You seem to be judging people you don't know as sinners from some assumed position of superiority and in doing so break your first point by displaying a distinct lack of pity in ignoring the aftermath of these "divine interventions": drought, disease, etc etc.

Oh so what is your take on it; blam, these poor people die slow, horrible deaths because of bad luck and that is that? No afterlife. Don't you think eternal torment is preferable to eternal oblivion. Heck by your own screw cults dogma the Universe it self will die in mere 10 trillion years from now when the radiation from the black holes run out.

Why not just kill everyone right now friend since there is no point to existence, much less life? Only hell and damnation give life meaning.

I'm starting to think you may not have really thought these points through and I am off to bed. I gather you people are fond of arguing so have at it, I'll try my best (later).

I don't think friend, I am a Christian: I BELIEVE. Thinking is what gave us Darwinism in the first place.

[Gautama2]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

Allow me to refute some of your claims, brother B-J

[INDENT]#1 Atheists have no mercy and pity for others.
Time and time again history as shown with Nazis, the Communists, the New Deal, The Spanish Inquisition that atheists will behave in a cruel and callous maner towards there fellow man.

Both the Spanish Inquisition and the Nazis used religion to justify their actions. In fact, the Spanish Inquisition was not unlike your organization in their readiness to condemn anyone who was the least bit different. I suppose the major difference was their license to torture and kill them as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquisition

You appear to be missing a third point.

#4To an atheists there is no difference between an animal and a human
A pig or a human, an ape or an human. What is the difference? For Atheists they are all products of random chance. If Atheists were true to their beliefs they would be running around naked and tossing feces at each other and eating other people. They lack the compassion for their fellow man to realize animals are just tools placed here for us to use as we see fit.

The absurdity of this point is just astonishing. The point of being an Atheist is that you follow a moral code which you impose upon yourself without outside pressure, a moral code not too different from the one to which you claim to adhere. Of course they realise that there is a difference between humans and animals, however, that does not negate the fact that they are also living organisms, and as such should be treated with respect.

#5 Only biblical faith offers objective standards of good and evil.
One just has to look at atheists societies like ancient Rome to see they had completely different morality than the Christian society of the west now. Rome lived by a philosophy that might gave Rome the moral superiority to invade their neighbors. Contrast that with America's war of liberation in Iraq and Mexico in 1848. Christians have the morality to know when their neighbors are evil and went to destroy them.

I just want to answer this one in short by saying that the Romans were not Atheists, but polytheistic, which means that they worshipped many gods.

#6 Atheists have no reason to feel pity for anyone or anything.
Sure Atheists may feel pity in their hearts of hearts but philosophically they have no reason to. Carving another human being up to them is just like carving a pig.

This appears to contradict your own point no? See point number 4.

#7 Threw out human history there have never been any other gods.
God is the only God humanity ever had. Sure various confused pagans called God by different names like Thor, Zeus and Kali but that has always been God. The past was not atheists, it Was Christian.

#8 There were false gods, but they were false because they exist within the Universe, not outside it.
No atheist can show us a false god who existed outside the universe so case closed.

#9 Any religions younger than Christianity have copied it.
Since Christianity is the Gold standard of morality all other religions just copy Christian doctrine like Islam. Atheism is younger than Christianity therefor Atheism is a mockery of Christianity.

#10 Only Christianity has ever had the idea of an eternal, infinite creator God.
No one, not the Egyptians, the Meso-Americans or even the Sumerians has a infinite God. Even Atheism doesn't have an infinite creator God.

Apart from the rampant spelling mistakes, you seem to have missed one crucial point of Atheism. They do not believe that there is ANY god. None at all. So Atheism is not a religion, merely a belief to which people adhere.

Also, I notice that you once again have offered a $10,000 reward to anyone who can rebutt your claims (although I am assuming that would involve having you denounce your faith, an unlikely outcome) but I am sure that you do not possess this level of liquidity, as you are equally assured that you will never admit that anyone can shake yoru beliefs to their very core.

Have a nice day.