I think I am an athiest

[iced_tea]

I fail to understand religion. I've come to this forum to explore really. I want to know what you guys believe in and whether it makes any sense...

Tell me. Who do you think God is? Is he a person? A living being? Or is he a thing. The thing the caused the universe to come into existence.

I believe that religions have been falsely mislead in the way that you pray to God and believe the things you do. I believe, that your "God" is in fact the force behind the universe. The reason everything is here today, however I do not believe that the "God" you believe in is the thing responsible for the universe.

I think the reason more people don't believe in "God" is because the whole idea has been changed over the years. Either that or it always has been the wrong idea.

For example, the idea that because we do not accept Christ as our saviour means we will be sent to eternal damnation?

I simply do not accept this. Christ is not my saviour, neither is the devil in case any of you guys are going to accuse me of satanism. I cannot put blind faith in something. That is just the way I am. Does this mean I will to go to hell? Does an aspect of my genetic personality mean I will go to hell?

It does not matter. I do not believe in hell, nor heaven. I do not believe in souls, spirits, whatever you want to call it. We are biological machines with a concious the same of any other animal on this planet the only reason we think animals don't feel or care or are like us in anyway, is because we don't understand them.

I believe that religions say that animals do not have souls? If this is true, this is another misunderstanding. Who are we to decide if a living organism has a soul? We are not. However I do not blame anyone for coming to this conclusion.

We are made of biological matter. Our brains create a concious through millions of processes and thoughts. Our ability to think so creatively is what got us to the top of the food chain on this planet. Does this mean we have souls? We don't know. We just don't know anything do we? We're just a dumb race of bipedal organisms who think we know how the universe started, or how life works. BUT WE DO NOT.

The truth is, no one knows what the fuck we're doing here, or how we got here (One of the most asked questions mind you) so there's no point asking that.

And to then after knowing the above, you tell people that they will go to hell if they do not accept a man as their saviour and believe in some idol created by man?

It is my theory, that man postulated early in our civilisation, why we were here, and asked the same questions we are asking now. Is it not entirely possible that they created the idea of God to bring closure to society?

I don't know. Things are always possible. I suppose that your idea of God is even possible.




Phew long post. Just wanted to share that with you all.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: I think I am an athiest

Denying the existence of God is not unbelief but an exercise in self-deception. You may know things, but you cannot account for anything you know. Arguing against God's existence would be on par with arguing against the existence of air, breathing it all the while. You use the universal, immaterial, unchanging laws of logic, mathematics, science, and absolute morality in order to come to rational decisions, but you cannot account for them. These laws are not the only way God has revealed himself to you, but they are sufficient to show the irrationality of your thinking, and expose your guilt for denying Him.

There is a reason that you deny the existence of God and it has nothing to do with proof. I can show this to you. Do you think that you can continue to deny God because surely somewhere, sometime, a philosopher or scientist will come up with an explanation for universal, immaterial, unchanging laws apart from God?' Did you ever try to come up with an alternate explanation on your own?

Hoping that an alternate explanation for universal, immaterial, unchanging laws can someday be found apart from God, is a blind leap of faith, or wishful thinking. Isn't it interesting that this is exactly what professed unbelievers accuse Christians of?

Please examine the real reason why you are running from God. It is my prayer that God will open your eyes and change your heart so that you may be saved from your sin, embraced by His ferocious love, and that you will tithe robustly immediately using the Paypal button at the bottom of this page.

[NielsGade]

Re: I think I am an athiest

Denying the existence of God is not unbelief but an exercise in self-deception. You may know things, but you cannot account for anything you know. Arguing against God's existence would be on par with arguing against the existence of air, breathing it all the while.

That doesn't make sense, since air exists and has been proven to exists, while god hasn't.

You use the universal, immaterial, unchanging laws of logic, mathematics, science, and absolute morality in order to come to rational decisions, but you cannot account for them.

But you can't account for god either, since there's no proof that he actually exists.

These laws are not the only way God has revealed himself to you, but they are sufficient to show the irrationality of your thinking, and expose your guilt for denying Him.

Let's ask ourselves; what is guilt? Well, guild is the outcome of an action that was wrong in our own personal universe.

Let's say Little Lisa's mom likes to drink a little bit of wine before she goes to bed. Little Lisa grows up thinking that it's normal to drink a little, before going to bed. Because her role model, her picture of a perfect human being, drink a bit, Little Lisa accepts it as a normal thing to do!

So what about Little Lonny. His parents raised him to reject all kinds of alcohol. He doesn't want alcohol, because his role models are strong believers that alcohol is bad for you! So Little Lonny grows up thinking that alcohol is the deadly and you die from one sip.

So one day, Little Lonny and Little Lisa gets married. But on the first day in the same bed, Little Lisa pulls out a bottle of wine and 2 glasses! So who's right? I mean, Little Lonny has been raised to know as a fact that alcohol kills you! And Little Lisa know as a fact that there's nothing wrong with a bit of wine before bed! So who should feel guilt?

None of the. Because neither base their personal opinion on fact! They base it solely on how they where raised! And that's why guilt is only in the eye of the seer.

There is a reason that you deny the existence of God and it has nothing to do with proof. I can show this to you. Do you think that you can continue to deny God because surely somewhere, sometime, a philosopher or scientist will come up with an explanation for universal, immaterial, unchanging laws apart from God?' Did you ever try to come up with an alternate explanation on your own?

Yes. I have actually. I have thought long and hard over it. I was raised as a Christian, but stopped believing in god after I discovered the wonderful internet, which taught me all the facts of life.
And after I read all these things about god and whatnot, I started looking at things from a factual point of view. Can god exist? What is god? Is god just an image weak people use to have some sort of hope in bad situations?

And I came to the conclusion that god is for weak minded people that can't accept things as they are and has to have a safety net. Now, I'm not saying YOU are weak, since you probably was raised into religion and can't really accept having your mind changed, but if a normal day guy, ends up in a bad place, and suddenly believes in god, I'd say he doesn't have base for that, other than the fact that his only hope is his imagination.

Hoping that an alternate explanation for universal, immaterial, unchanging laws can someday be found apart from God, is a blind leap of faith, or wishful thinking. Isn't it interesting that this is exactly what professed unbelievers accuse Christians of?

They already did that. It's a guy called Darwin that did that. Great guy.

Please examine the real reason why you are running from God.

This is why I hate you religious people. "Hey, why are you hating us, it's you that's the problem!" Bullsh*t.

It is my prayer that God will open your eyes and change your heart so that you may be saved from your sin, embraced by His ferocious love, and that you will tithe robustly immediately using the Paypal button at the bottom of this page.

Hahahaha. You're not exactly making it hard for people to hate religion.

[iced_tea]

Re: I think I am an athiest

Do you think that you can continue to deny God because surely somewhere, sometime, a philosopher or scientist will come up with an explanation for universal, immaterial, unchanging laws apart from God?

I will continue to deny God until a philospher or scientist finds proof that he exists.

The reason I do not believe in God is not just that there is no proof, but also I find the ideology behind the faith that supports God, quite full of hatrid.

It seems your religion would want non-believers to go to hell if they do not accept Christ as their saviour. It is this, and other border line threats that urge to me to think about why you believe in God, and why I shouldn't.

[iced_tea]

Re: I think I am an athiest

Sorry i'm posting again due to lack of an edit button. There was something else I wish to say.

I am not running away from God. If that was my stance on religion, I would not come here. Or maybe i'd come here, and post spam or something. No, instead, I wanted to learn about religion. I wanted to make sure I've made the right choice by being an athiest most of my life.

(When I say the "right choice" I believe I have stepped into something quite larger than the original intended meaning. Though, I hope you know what I mean, and I do not want to elaborate on what the larger meaning is, as I do not know it yet. I would have to think about it.)

After all, as we do not know anything about how matter came into existence, I could be wrong. And so could you. It is this blind faith that keeps you content, and my denial in beliefs with no "hard" evidence supporting them that keeps me content. I simply wish to cross this sort of border, and find out what makes us both...Unsatisfied and why it does this.

I'm happy that you have not banned me at once from this forum. I was expecting you to tell me that I was a bigot. I am not.

I suppose I've been watching too much videos with angry scientologists in them

[Brother Temperance]

Re: Atheist Nonsense

I fail to understand religion.

That's a brave thing to admit. Not many people have the courage to come right out and say that God's going to send them to Hell for being stupid. Congratulations.

I believe that religions have been falsely mislead in the way that you pray to God and believe the things you do. I believe, that your "God" is in fact the force behind the universe. The reason everything is here today, however I do not believe that the "God" you believe in is the thing responsible for the universe.

So God is the force behind the universe, but He's not responsible for the universe? You Christ-haters make about as much sense as a bag of German snakes.

I think the reason more people don't believe in "God" is because the whole idea has been changed over the years.

Yes, this is because Satan has corrupted religion to put people off it, which is why we have false cults such as Islam, Catholicism, secular humanism and the Democratic Party. Our ideas have not changed one iota since ancient times.

For example, the idea that because we do not accept Christ as our saviour means we will be sent to eternal damnation?

I simply do not accept this.

Why would you choose eternal damnation? That just doesn't make any sense at all.

Christ is not my saviour, neither is the devil in case any of you guys are going to accuse me of satanism. I cannot put blind faith in something. That is just the way I am. Does this mean I will to go to hell?

Yes.

It does not matter. I do not believe in hell, nor heaven. I do not believe in souls, spirits, whatever you want to call it. We are biological machines with a concious the same of any other animal on this planet the only reason we think animals don't feel or care or are like us in anyway, is because we don't understand them.

Great, you're an ALF/PeTA terrorist. Tell me something then, my monkey-worshipping friend: if dolphins are so smart, why don't they blow up abortion clinics? Surely if animals actually had a conscience, they wouldn't be able to tolerate the holocaust that feminists and loose women are carrying out against babies.

I believe that religions say that animals do not have souls? If this is true, this is another misunderstanding. Who are we to decide if a living organism has a soul? We are not.

We don't decide, GOD decides. Show me one piece of scientific evidence proving that God says animals have souls.

The truth is, no one knows what the piffle we're doing here, or how we got here (One of the most asked questions mind you) so there's no point asking that.

No-one except God! Good thing He wrote us a book with all the answers in it.

It is my theory, that man postulated early in our civilisation, why we were here, and asked the same questions we are asking now. Is it not entirely possible that they created the idea of God to bring closure to society?

Friend, look at the facts. Considered from a secular viewpoint, Christianity is a bizarre, anti-humanist, illogical barrage of offensively superstitious tripe. Why would anyone make something like that up? The only reasonable explanation is that it all comes from God.

That doesn't make sense, since air exists and has been proven to exists, while god hasn't.

Have you ever seen air?

But you can't account for god either, since there's no proof that he actually exists.

You don't account for God, God accounts for you. And at the moment, He's none too impressed with you.

So one day, Little Lonny and Little Lisa gets married. But on the first day in the same bed, Little Lisa pulls out a bottle of wine and 2 glasses! So who's right? I mean, Little Lonny has been raised to know as a fact that alcohol kills you! And Little Lisa know as a fact that there's nothing wrong with a bit of wine before bed! So who should feel guilt?

None of the. Because neither base their personal opinion on fact! They base it solely on how they where raised! And that's why guilt is only in the eye of the seer.

Yes. God sees everything, and He judges you to be guilty. He also judges Little Lisa to be guilty for being manly and insubordinate, and Little Lonny to be guilty for being an apostate Southern Baptist infidel.

Yes. I have actually. I have thought long and hard over it. I was raised as a Christian, but stopped believing in god after I discovered the wonderful internet, which taught me all the facts of life.

So basically you're saying that you hate God now because of internet porn? Christ is not impressed.

They already did that. It's a guy called Darwin that did that. Great guy.

You think he's great just for making a blind leap of faith? You atheists are a wacky bunch.

The reason I do not believe in God is not just that there is no proof, but also I find the ideology behind the faith that supports God, quite full of hatrid.

Praise Jesus! I too find the ideology that supports God to be full of hatred. I fear God because I don't want His hate to be directed at me, as the Bible commands.
Leviticus 19:32 Thou shalt rise up before the hoary head, and honour the face of the old man, and fear thy God: I am the LORD.

It seems your religion would want non-believers to go to hell if they do not accept Christ as their saviour. It is this, and other border line threats that urge to me to think about why you believe in God, and why I shouldn't.

What? You yourself admit that not believing in God gets you directly into Hell, and yet you still refuse to believe in Him? That's just insane. Have you ever heard of a Jew called Freud?

Sorry i'm posting again due to lack of an edit button. There was something else I wish to say.

I am not running away from God. If that was my stance on religion, I would not come here. Or maybe i'd come here, and post spam or something. No, instead, I wanted to learn about religion. I wanted to make sure I've made the right choice by being an athiest most of my life.

How is going to Hell the right choice, you raving mongoloid?

[NielsGade]

Re: Atheist Nonsense

I just realised this site is a joke. No way people are THIS stupid.

[Brother Temperance]

Re: Atheist Nonsense

I just realised this site is a joke. No way people are THIS stupid.

I call Tabor's Law on you. Have you read this thread? Or this one?
Friend, we are as real and as serious as God Almighty.

[NielsGade]

Re: Atheist Nonsense

I call Tabor's Law on you. Have you read this thread? Or this one?
Friend, we are as real and as serious as God Almighty.

I deny the fact that this site is based on actual belief in god. I mean come on!

Have you ever seen air?

No, but try putting a plastic bag on your head and keep it on for 30 minutes. If you post after that I believe you.

[Nobar King]

Re: Atheist Nonsense

Thirty minutes passed. What do you think happened?

[NielsGade]

Re: Atheist Nonsense

Thirty minutes passed. What do you think happened?

1. He actually did it and died. Although this isn't my strongest theory, since I doubt he was actually that stupid.

2. He didn't do it and is gonna post he did do it and lie. Which is a sin if I remember correctly.

[One-eyed Jack]

Re: I think I am an athiest

iced_tea: " After all, as we do not know anything about how matter came into existence..."

Scientists say they know quite a lot about how regular matter came into existence. (They are not so sure about dark matter.)

Very shortly after the big bang the Universe was so hot that matter was constantly being created from pure energy and crashing back into energy again. As the Universe expanded and cooled subatomic particles and antiparticles became stable, with a very slight asymmetry in the ratio of particles to antiparticles resulting in a lasting population of protons, neutrons, and electrons. About 3 minutes after the big bang the universe had cooled enough for protons and neutrons to begin combining into atomic nucleii.

The wretched secular God-hating scientists have calculated the rate of nucleosynthesis, as it is called, and the time it would take for the expanding universe to cool to the point where the building of atomic nucleii would stop (about 17 minutes after the big bang). From these calculations they have predicted how abundant atoms of helium-3, helium-4, deuterium, and lithium-7 should be in the universe.

(Because there are no stable atoms with atomic weight 5 or 8, the primordial nucleosynthesis produced virtually no atomic nucleii heavier than lithium-7. The heavier elements were later cooked up in the long-term nuclear reactions inside stars.)

Astronomers have attempted to measure the actual ratios of atomic species in the universe. They find that for helium-3, helium-4, and deuterium the universe has just about the amount predicted by physicists' theory. The abundance of lithium-7 is off by about a factor of 2, but there are larger uncertainties in this figure than in the others.

As far as other matter, nuclear fusion inside stars like the Sun eventually produce elements up to the atomic weight of iron. The creation of these elements releases energy, which keeps the stars burning. However, for elements heavier than iron energy must be put into the fusion process. This only happens when very massive stars explode; the trans-iron elements are the products of nova explosions.

So, to sum up: vile Jesus-denying secular scientists do indeed claim to know pretty much where the regular matter (and energy) in the Universe comes from, and why it is arranged the way it is.

Except for dark matter, of course. And dark matter is a large percentage of the total.

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A bit of fun! When this theory was being worked out the great physicist George Gamow was a doubter, because the primordial nucleosynthesis could not account for all the element in the universe. The English astronomer Fred Hoyle proposed that complex fusion reactions in stars could, over time, make the rest of the elements. Gamow wrote the following:

In the beginning God created radiation and ylem [a soup of protons and neutrons]. And ylem was without shape or number, and the nucleons were rushing madly over the face of the deep.

And God said: "Let there be mass two." And there was mass two. And God saw deuterium, and it was good.

And God said: "Let there be mass three." And there was mass three. And God saw tritium and tralphium [Gamow's nickname for the helium isotope He-3], and they were good. And God continued to call number after number until He came to transuranium elements. But when He looked back on his work He found that it was not good. In the excitement of counting, He missed calling for mass five and so, naturally, no heavier elements could have been formed.

God was very much disappointed, and wanted first to contract the universe again, and to start all over from the beginning. But it would be much too simple.

Thus, being almighty, God decided to correct His mistake in a most impossible way.

And God said: "Let there be Hoyle." And there was Hoyle. And God looked at Hoyle… and told him to make heavy elements in any way he pleased.

And Hoyle decided to make heavy elements in stars, and to spread them around by supernovae explosions. But in doing so he had to obtain the same abundance curve which would have resulted from nucleosynthesis in ylem, if God would not have forgotten to call for mass five.

And so, with the help of God, Hoyle made heavy elements in this way, but it was so complicated that nowadays neither Hoyle, nor God, nor anybody else can figure out exactly how it was done.


Amen.

Of course all this is BLASPHEMY! God created everything without recourse to physics or chemistry, because there is no physics or chemistry in the Bible. So fall down on your knees and PRAISE the LORD for His mighty invention of hemorrhoids and camels, His creation of the sulfur volcanoes of Io and nasal polyps, and marvelous manifestations of His glory such as the Andromeda galaxy and Barbara Bush. Hallelujah!

~~ OEJ

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Atheist Nonsense

1. He actually did it and died. Although this isn't my strongest theory, since I doubt he was actually that stupid.

2. He didn't do it and is gonna post he did do it and lie. Which is a sin if I remember correctly.

It's only a sin when Brother Temperance is your' neighbor. Since we TRUE Christians don't keep fellowship with god hating atheists (like any sane person would) you are obviously not his neighbor.

If you don't my me asking friend why do you hate God so much? He sent His only begotten son to die for your sins you know.

[NielsGade]

Re: Atheist Nonsense

If you don't my me asking friend why do you hate God so much? He sent His only begotten son to die for your sins you know.

I don't hate him. I can't. It's impossible to hate something that doesn't exist.

Also, thanks to your signature, I now know this site is crazy.
Citizens United and Not Timid.
C.U.N.T

[iced_tea]

Re: Atheist Nonsense

That's a brave thing to admit. Not many people have the courage to come right out and say that God's going to send them to Hell for being stupid. Congratulations.

Congratulations. You've proven to be a complete and utter fool. I think someone needs to chill. Really though. I mean really. Come on. Just calm down. I came here hoping to learn about religion. I think I may have picked the wrong one.

And of course you people think that you're religion is the real one. ALL RELIGIONS DO

You'll only be able to understand from an athiest perspective I'm afraid...But we're all wrong.

Can someone tell me whether Temperance reflects the opinion and personalities of the majority of people on this forum? If so, i'll be leaving.