[Pim Pendergast]

Re: Atheist fallacies

Special pleading. Exempting oneself from the standards one applies to others without providing justification for the exemption. Example: an atheist argues that a Creator needs a creator who needs a creator, yet is willing to accept that the universe has always existed. Because the atheist never offers a satisfactory explanation as to why the universe can just exist but God cannot, he is engaging in special pleading. Of course, we know that the universe cannot have simply always existed, because Romans 1 tells us the universe is evidence of a Creator. Nothing can exist without a Creator.

Moving the goalposts. Dismissing evidence presented in response to a claim and demanding other, usually greater, evidence instead. RL example:

When I hear of people claiming that the world we see around us is not the one described in Genesis it makes me wonder, where do they think it is?

When someone tells me they've done a painting it helps A LOT if they show me the painting. That's evidence.

But when God tells me He created the world and lo, there it is — they move the goalposts and that's NOT evidence?

Who needs electroconvulsive therapy when there's atheism!

Just remember that Creation is evidence of a Creator. It is not evidence of evolution. I always challenge evolutionists to show me one example – just one – of a missing link. But whatever they come up with just creates more gaps in their "tree of life."

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: Atheist fallacies

Wishful thinking. This fallacy takes the form "I want P to be true; therefore, P." Atheists use it when they talk themselves into believing that God doesn't exist so that they can commit sodomy and vote Democratic without fear of judgment. We Christians do not fall for such nonsense because we have faith in God's promise of eternal salvation.

[Johny Joe Hold]

Re: Atheist fallacies

Wishful thinking. This fallacy takes the form "I want P to be true; therefore, P." Atheists use it when they talk themselves into believing that God doesn't exist so that they can commit sodomy and vote Democratic without fear of judgment. We Christians do not fall for such nonsense because we have faith in God's promise of eternal salvation.

When it comes to preachin', Pastor Isaac, you have the gift.

Your statement, "they talk themselves into believing God doesn't exist so they can commit sodomy..." rings so true it should be engraved in marble and put on the Freehold City Hall lawn.

[Pim Pendergast]

Re: Atheist fallacies

We Christians do not fall for such nonsense because we have faith in God's promise of eternal salvation.

Amen, Pastor. If there wasn’t a place for us in heaven, we would know because Jesus would have told us.

Jn 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

Argument from ignorance. Accepting a proposition simply because it has not yet been disproved, or vice versa. Example: “God doesn’t exist, because no one has ever disproved that He doesn’t exist.” It is impossible for the Christian to argue from ignorance, because he knows that God exists (Gen 1:1).

Appeal to authority. Attempting to support one’s argument by referring to an unreliable or unqualified “authoritative source” that holds the same view. Atheists often appeal to science to shore up their faltering arguments. But the Bible warns us to avoid so-called science (1 Tim 6:20) because any form of worldly wisdom is an unreliable source of information about God (1 Cor 1:21).

Argument from self-knowing. Assuming that one would automatically know whether a proposition were true. Example: “If God existed, I would know it. But because I don’t know, He mustn’t exist.” Wrong! The atheist does know deep down in his heart that God exists (Rom 1:18-20; cf. 1 Cor 2:11). This is more of a lie than a fallacy.

Argument from incredulity. Dismissing a proposition simply on the grounds that one cannot imagine it to be true. Example: “I find the biblical account of a God who created the universe in six 24-hour days 6,000 years ago a bit far-fetched; therefore He doesn’t exist.” Because apparently it’s so much easier to believe the universe came from nothing and we evolved from monkeys! Fluffy-bunny “Christians” are also guilty of this fallacy: “I can’t believe God hates fags; therefore I’ll just ignore the relevant Bible passages.”

[Pim Pendergast]

Atheist biases

The human mind is finite. It has limitations. People tend to simplify the way they interpret and evaluate information, often by using shortcuts in reasoning, or applying “rules of thumb,” called biases, which can result in an error in judgement or decision-making. Without the Bible to fill in the gaps in our knowledge and tell us how to interpret information and make decisions, we Christians would also be prone to biases. But by the grace of God, the Holy Spirit has opened our eyes to see clearly. There is a degree of overlap between cognitive biases and fallacies, so I have decided to include examples of a few common atheist biases in this thread.

Hindsight bias, or the “knew-it-all-along effect.” Believing that events that have already occurred were predictable. Example: after debating evolution with a Christian, an atheist will often say something like, “I knew you wouldn’t listen reason.” This kind of ridicule is exactly what Jesus told us to expect in Matthew 5:10-12.

Confirmation bias. Favoring information that confirms ones pre-existing beliefs, or interpreting information in a way that confirms ones beliefs. Example: atheists live in the same world we do, yet they interpret events and experiences, such as unanswered prayer, in a way that confirms their belief that there is no God. In order to avoid cognitive dissonance, they reject fellowship with God’s people – not that we’re to have fellowship with unbelievers, anyway – and ignore God’s Word. But the Bible is completely trustworthy. I’ve never found anything in it I disagree with.

Backfire effect. Becoming stronger in ones beliefs when faced with contradictory evidence. Atheists do this all the time when confronted with evidence for God from the Bible. They often end up more convinced that the God of the Bible isn’t real. Of course, it always cracks me up whenever atheists respond with evidence from science that supposedly contradicts the Bible, such as evolution. The more I learn about the subject, the more ludicrous it seems.

Illusory superiority. Overestimating ones positive attributes and underestimating ones negative attributes. Don’t really need to explain this one much. We all know atheists think they’re smarter than everybody else. God will show them come the Day of Judgement. They will be cast into the lake of fire (Rev 20:13-15), and we will inherit a new heaven and a new earth (Rev 21:1-8).

[Shimei]

Re: Atheist fallacies

The liberal/atheist/scientific argument is that homosexuality is biological, not that it is genetic. But since Jesus and I conflate the words genetic and biological, there is no difference. You say potato I say poe-tah-toe.

I promise you that the scientific discovery that homosexuality is biological is in no wise conducive to eternal life. This non-doctrinal speculation about science being a fulfillment of God's will may be amusing now, but will it be amusing to have your flesh burned off again and again for ever and ever? I am only looking out for your well being when I say such things, friend; I mean no offense.

My question about the notable absence of scientific facts in the Bible was rhetorical. Obviously the reason there were no scientific contributions in the Bible, and only rough mathematical estimations, is because God knows better than to believe liberal elites.

Amen Billy Bob.

Question, while watching a debate a little while ago, I started to see another contradiction and wondered whether this be a fallacy. I mean the Atheist in the debate began using terminology from Computer Science, they began demonstrating their theory with a program. But I could not help but see that God made the universe, by softly spoken words.

The contradiction it seems comes by way of the mathematics used to create a program. To create this demo, a rendering of the universe by using a language, but yet God spoke creation into existence...

Dunno, this just came to mind while listening.

And Billy Bob, that is interesting in what you say, that only the Divine Laws are broken. Why is that?

[Marshall]

Re: Atheist fallacies

Ive noticed Satan is nearly every corner of the Interweb that isnt directly connected to the one True Christian(tm) church, Landover Baptist. Pornography and atheism go hand in hand. The FACT that God created sexual differences doesnt mean He wants us to simply sex each other willy nilly like negros in Africa. The same logic applies to the Interweb, just because God made it doesnt mean we should use it to spread lies and athianism by way of His grace! Trying to disprove the Bible in ANY sense, whether its using homosexual Greek debate terms or using science or linking to atheism sites, only serves to prop up Satan and his minions. It does nothing to diminish the truth of Gods love. There can only be one truth and if you use atheist logic and say the original truth must be right, then God wins because He created the universe! There was nothing before Creation! Every atheist agrees with that FACT even when they stupidly claim the "big bang" happened. What was before the "big bang"? NOTHING.
God wins.
Praise Jesus yall.

[Marshall]

Re: Atheist fallacies

Just as unzipping your tight bottomless chaps is a CHOICE, so is the CHOICE to use you God-given parts to swordfight with your friends in a park bathroom stall. There is nothing "genetic" about sexing in the rump or using your mouth on a womans stuff. Genetics, according to satan, are biological and everyone knows(including the deluded scientists) that the function of life is to reproduce. God made everything living so that it could reproduce. Thats called a LAW OF NATURE.
Logic dictates that reproduction doesnt happen if sperms are drowned in a colon. Therefore, homosexuals are UN-NATURAL by their very definition. Because they are unnatural it is easy to conclude that their sex is of the Devil and should be punishable by law.

ARGUMENT DESTROYED.

[Pim Pendergast]

Re: Atheist fallacies

Question, while watching a debate a little while ago, I started to see another contradiction and wondered whether this be a fallacy. I mean the Atheist in the debate began using terminology from Computer Science, they began demonstrating their theory with a program. But I could not help but see that God made the universe, by softly spoken words.

The contradiction it seems comes by way of the mathematics used to create a program. To create this demo, a rendering of the universe by using a language, but yet God spoke creation into existence...

Dunno, this just came to mind while listening.

I don't know if it's fallacious, but it's definitely ironic. God created and sustains everything by the power of His Word (Gen 1, Jn 1:1-18, Heb 1:1-3). God was the original Talker. Man can only talk because he is created in God's image (Gen 1:26-27). The atheist's ability to talk comes directly from God. Without God he wouldn't be able to talk (or create computer languages). The atheist disproves atheism every time he opens his mouth.

And homosexuality is not genetic. Just because, for example, some drosophila fruit flies in a lab somewhere once chose to be gay while they were being observed by scientists doesn't prove that there is a homosexual gene in humans.

[MitzaLizalor]

Irrits (the)

If you really want The Irrits try the fallacist's fallacy. Heathens are more prone to this than atheists. Before linking to some of their debased utterances I'll just make up an example

EXAMPLE 1
• pebbles do not eat camels
• "cool"jazz, worms and the moon are all types of fish
• therefore the sky is blue

Although no evidence is offered to support the conclusion, and despite several logical errors, the conclusion is not necessarily false (or true).

In the next example a number of fallacious and unconnected statements are strung together by several God denying heathens leading to a conclusion that does not follow from any of their "arguments" but which seems to be supported in Scripture. Revelation 22:17 However when we realise that the chief heathen among their number is primarily interested in goddess cults such as those of Aphrodite and Frigg the corrupted nature of their fallacious conclusion is revealed.

EXAMPLE 2
How many fallacies can you count there?
Words spun from no more substance than clouds.

[Truth I Seek]

Re: Atheist fallacies

So many misconceptions about Atheism. You clearly don't know that much about what being atheist is about. Being Atheist is not some kind of rocket science, it's a pretty simple concept, it isn't as complex as tou seem to think

Let's try to have a serious and grown up debate here, feel free to make me some questions about atheism. Let me help you to understand Atheism and in the process maybe I can also understand you better.

It's not my intention to turn anyone to Atheism, the same way I will not be converted to your religion. I just want we to understand ourselves better.

[BelieverInGod]

Re: Atheist fallacies

So many misconceptions about Atheism. You clearly don't know that much about what being atheist is about. Being Atheist is not some kind of rocket science, it's a pretty simple concept, it isn't as complex as tou seem to think

Let's try to have a serious and grown up debate here, feel free to make me some questions about atheism. Let me help you to understand Atheism and in the process maybe I can also understand you better.

It's not my intention to turn anyone to Atheism, the same way I will not be converted to your religion. I just want we to understand ourselves better.

Sigh...... You didn't read the very top of every page did you

UNSAVED UNWELCOME!

Nor could you be bothered to read the "Noobs" please read this before posting. Thread, as you were asked to when you joined.

This is not a debate forum. The purpose of this site is to praise and glorify the Lord, Jesus Christ. It is a place for Christians to fellowship and worship. The goal of the Landover Baptist Church forum is to draw people to Jesus Christ because Scripture confirms that salvation comes only through Him.

Luke 6:22 tells us that because we preach the True doctrine of Jesus, men shall hate us and call us evil. So naturally, we expect that folks will get their feathers ruffled by some of the things they have to say, and they will come on here to argue with us. Perhaps we have said something that upset you. Maybe it was something I said. If so, then I am sorry that you are upset, but I do not apologize for what I have said. My words and thoughts come from the Holy Scriptures. I didn't write the Bible -- God did. So if my words upset you, then you don't have a problem with me -- you have a problem with God.

We tend to get two types of dissenters here. Some are calm and reasonable folks who are capable of rational discussion. I personally enjoy discussing religious topics with this sort of person. Others, however, are angry trolls who are just here to flame us. If you are here to flame us, please read this first.

[Truth I Seek]

Re: Atheist fallacies

Sigh...... You didn't read the very top of every page did you

UNSAVED UNWELCOME!

Nor could you be bothered to read the "Noobs" please read this before posting. Thread, as you were asked to when you joined.

If the non-believers are not welcome make it an invite only forum.

Who told that I didn't read that? Foruns are by nature places of debate, a rule that states it isn't makes no sense to me. Theres something else on that thread that caught my attention:

"We tend to get two types of dissenters here. Some are calm and reasonable folks who are capable of rational discussion. I personally enjoy discussing religious topics with this sort of person."

seems like serious and rational debate are not that unwelcomed after all.

[Didymus Much]

Re: Atheist fallacies

So many misconceptions about Atheism...

How about your misconception that atheism should be capitalized? Hint: it's not a proper noun.

...Let's try to have a serious and grown up debate here...

..."We tend to get two types of dissenters here. Some are calm and reasonable folks who are capable of rational discussion"...

Do you see the problem now?

[Truth I Seek]

Re: Atheist fallacies

How about your misconception that atheism should be capitalized? Hint: it's not a proper noun.

Any problem with that?

Do you see the problem now?

Is there a problem?

Definition of DISCUSSION1
: consideration of a question in open and usually informal debate

2
: a formal treatment of a topic in speech or writing

Seems like a discussion is synonimous of debate. So... what's the problem after all?