Atheists!! Think you are a moral person? Take the test!!

[John Creeser]

Hello Mr. Atheist, I trust your day is full of sin, drug use and faggotry?!

I often hear atheists say "I don't need to Bible to be a good person." Then there are those agnostics who say "You know, I'm a really nice person, God will surely let me in heaven". Really? Wrong. Sorry, nice try, but adhering to the teachings of God's Word is the ONLY way to be a moral (and to get into heaven).

Still not convinced? Fine, take the test here.

So what were your results? Thought so....

Psalm 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Matthew 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

[MitzaLizalor]

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We know that there's no such thing as a moral atheist. God tells us so. All atheists are abominably iniquitous.

Psalm 53:1 (To the chief Musician upon Mahalath, Maschil, A Psalm of David.) The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Prating ignorance is no substitute for evidence, and the evidence is all around us. They promote their idiotic creed for cynical gain at the expense of those weak minded individuals who fall for such obvious stunts as
.lying about "the universe" being "billions of years old"
..stealing education from our children to substitute brainwashing and "logic"
...lust after us and offer us money to "perform" for them
....hate everything we say or do yearning only to see us in HELL FOREVER
.....spew blasphemy at every opportunity especially before a captive audience (such as on trains)
......guilty as charged, verified by God's Inerrant Word, destined for TORMENT

EVIDENCE

II Peter 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
KJV

Having rejected God, the corrupt atheist rejects perfection. God does not want that to happen as was indicated toward the end of the test:

MORE EVIDENCE

II PETER 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
KJV

God knows the consequences of rejecting His Perfect Love and God has warned us. God knows what happens next and has told us. God is always consistent.

PROOF

II PETER 3
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
KJV

I am so looking forward to the time when I will no longer have to associate with atheists, Mr Creeser, and will have no recollection of their ever having existed.

OBADIAH 1
15 For the day of the LORD is near upon all the heathen: as thou hast done, it shall be done unto thee: thy reward shall return upon thine own head.
16 For as ye have drunk upon my holy mountain, so shall all the heathen drink continually, yea, they shall drink, and they shall swallow down, and they shall be as though they had not been.
KJV

Praise Jesus!

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Here's a little book I've found encouraging - I hope it's OK to mention it here but if it's doctrinally unsound I'm sure one of The Pastors
will remove the link

[Looney Jack]

Re: Atheists!! Think you are a moral person? Take the test!!

"Atheist" is an interesting term in that its meaning is subjective, dependent upon the subject matter. Given that this is a Christian forum, or rather, a "True Christian" forum, the term atheist will in the context of this post refer to those who do not believe in the existence and/or divinity of the Christian god. That being the case, no atheist would judge his or her own moral status on the statutes of the Christian Bible (supposedly inspired by said god). Ergo, the Christian Bible is not an applicable means to validate its own internal ideology to an external atheist denouncer.

Therefore, it would seem perfectly acceptable in my estimation that an atheist could admit to having done things the quiz you allude to labels as sins and still maintain that they are, in fact, good people. As good and bad are subjective premises typically linked to social indoctrination and standards, any individual assertion of a moral high ground is inherently absurd.

I might further add that the quiz has a few inconsistencies in its - shall we say - logic.

Case in point. The first question asked is, "Have you ever lied?"

Of course, any human being in their adult life has undoubtedly lied. According to the quiz that person is, for all intents and purposes, a liar. And liars are, presumably, bad.

However, it is never established why lying in and of itself is bad. It does not take into account the circumstances or the maturity level of the individual at the time of the lie. The quiz simply assumes the test takers already shares the test creators' black and white moral stance. If that were the case the test taker would never have chosen to identify themselves as a "good person".

A similar question begs to be asked: Have you ever told the truth?

Of course, any human being in their adult life has undoubtedly told the truth; On more occasions than they have lied, no doubt. Applying the same logic as the quiz, that same person is also a truthful person. And being truthful, I presume, is good by the test creators' moral leanings. This presents an incongruity which I will seek to amend. Assuming that the test taker has told the truth more than he or she has told lies, the scale would invariably favor their truthfulness over their dishonesty. Ergo, they are overall truthful individuals.

In conclusion, the quiz in question is not suitable for determining the moral status of anyone. It simply emphasizes the quiz creators' own predetermined ideology.

[Jedediah]

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TL;DR

So have you accepted Jesus Christ as your personal LORD and Savior, or have you just come here to persecute us for our beliefs?

[Missionary in Sweden]

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You sound like a criminal caught in the act just trying to talk yourself out of just punishment. Repent or burn

[Looney Jack]

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TL;DR

I am sorry to hear that my 426 word reply was deemed too long to hold your attention. I can only imagine the frustration you must experience as a so-called "True Christian" faced with the task of reading a Bible containing an estimated 774,746 words. If I were to speculate I would conclude you made it to Genesis, chapter 1, verse 19 before you called it quits. You may be suffering from an attention deficit disorder. You should contact a licensed physician for a proper examination and diagnosis.

So have you accepted Jesus Christ as your personal LORD and Savior, or have you just come here to persecute us for our beliefs?

Neither.

I have never witnessed any compelling evidence nor heard any persuasive argument to substantiate a belief in the character known as Jesus Christ. However, my lack of belief in this character does not constitute any form of persecution toward those who choose to believe in the biblical accounts, incongruous as they may be.

[Zechariah Smyth]

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I am sorry to hear that my 426 word reply was deemed too long to hold your attention. I can only imagine the frustration you must experience as a so-called "True Christian" faced with the task of reading a Bible containing an estimated 774,746 words. If I were to speculate I would conclude you made it to Genesis, chapter 1, verse 19 before you called it quits. You may be suffering from an attention deficit disorder. You should contact a licensed physician for a proper examination and diagnosis.



Neither.

I have never witnessed any compelling evidence nor heard any persuasive argument to substantiate a belief in the character known as Jesus Christ. However, my lack of belief in this character does not constitute any form of persecution toward those who choose to believe in the biblical accounts, incongruous as they may be.

tl:dr

Where do you go to church? What is your favorite Bible verse? What is the awesomest thing Our Lord Jesus Christ has done for you today?

We want to get to know you!



Yours in Christ,

Z. Smyth

[John Creeser]

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I have never witnessed any compelling evidence nor heard any persuasive argument to substantiate a belief in the character known as Jesus Christ.

Here we go again

No evidence? Have you walked outside lately and looked around at God's great creation? Have you not read the scriptures?

2nd Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

2 Peter 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Habakkuk 2:2 And the LORD answered me, and said, Write the vision, and make it plain upon tables, that he may run that readeth it.

Come on Jack, Jesus brought you here for a reason. If you are not here to persecute us, then you must be here to seek the path to Salvation. Admit it!!

[James Hutchins]

Re: Atheists!! Think you are a moral person? Take the test!!

"Atheist" is an interesting term in that its meaning is subjective, dependent upon the subject matter. Given that this is a Christian forum, or rather, a "True Christian" forum, the term atheist will in the context of this post refer to those who do not believe in the existence and/or divinity of the Christian god. That being the case, no atheist would judge his or her own moral status on the statutes of the Christian Bible (supposedly inspired by said god). Ergo, the Christian Bible is not an applicable means to validate its own internal ideology to an external atheist denouncer.

Therefore, it would seem perfectly acceptable in my estimation that an atheist could admit to having done things the quiz you allude to labels as sins and still maintain that they are, in fact, good people. As good and bad are subjective premises typically linked to social indoctrination and standards, any individual assertion of a moral high ground is inherently absurd.
I might further add that the quiz has a few inconsistencies in its - shall we say - logic.
Case in point. The first question asked is, "Have you ever lied?"
Of course, any human being in their adult life has undoubtedly lied. According to the quiz that person is, for all intents and purposes, a liar. And liars are, presumably, bad.
However, it is never established why lying in and of itself is bad. It does not take into account the circumstances or the maturity level of the individual at the time of the lie. The quiz simply assumes the test takers already shares the test creators' black and white moral stance. If that were the case the test taker would never have chosen to identify themselves as a "good person".
A similar question begs to be asked: Have you ever told the truth?
Of course, any human being in their adult life has undoubtedly told the truth; On more occasions than they have lied, no doubt. Applying the same logic as the quiz, that same person is also a truthful person. And being truthful, I presume, is good by the test creators' moral leanings. This presents an incongruity which I will seek to amend. Assuming that the test taker has told the truth more than he or she has told lies, the scale would invariably favor their truthfulness over their dishonesty. Ergo, they are overall truthful individuals.
In conclusion, the quiz in question is not suitable for determining the moral status of anyone. It simply emphasizes the quiz creators' own predetermined ideology.
I am sorry to hear that my 426 word reply was deemed too long to hold your attention. I can only imagine the frustration you must experience as a so-called "True Christian" faced with the task of reading a Bible containing an estimated 774,746 words. If I were to speculate I would conclude you made it to Genesis, chapter 1, verse 19 before you called it quits. You may be suffering from an attention deficit disorder. You should contact a licensed physician for a proper examination and diagnosis.
Neither.
I have never witnessed any compelling evidence nor heard any persuasive argument to substantiate a belief in the character known as Jesus Christ. However, my lack of belief in this character does not constitute any form of persecution toward those who choose to believe in the biblical accounts, incongruous as they may be.

tl;dr
Jack, what have you done for Jesus lately?

[Looney Jack]

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I'm fairly certain you all read my replies in full. Let's just call it a hunch.

Here we go again

No evidence? Have you walked outside lately and looked around at God's great creation? Have you not read the scriptures?

As I have already pointed out in my first post, the Bible inand of itself cannot be used to establish its own credibility. The existence of the earth no more proves theexistence of the Christian god than the existence of the earth proves theexistence of the Mesopotamian legend in which Marduk slew Tiamat. At face valuethere are no characteristics of the earth that corroborates the validity of anycreation myth. At best you can infer theearth was created and speculate on the existence of one or more creator beings,but the details of their nature would remain a mystery.

For instance, if I were to see a painting lying in thestreet I can infer that someone painted it. However, that is as far as I can reasonably speculate with regards to thepossible painter(s). The number of painters- be it one or many - is still unknown. Iwould also be in the dark concerning the sex, race, age, ethnicity,nationality, political affiliation, residence, personality and general likes &dislikes of the painter(s). Whattheology attempts to do is arbitrarily fill in this missing information withfabricated details rooted solely in ignorance and self-interest.

The existence of the earth, if we assume it is created, doesnot elaborate on any detail of the supposed creator(s) other than the fact thatit or they created the earth.

Does this creator(s) desire certain males to be circumcised? This is not self-evident in the earth'sexistence.

Does this creator(s) demandthat practicing homosexuals to be executed? This too is not self-evident in the earth's existence.

Is the creator omnipotent? This is also not evident.

There are plenty of religions with plenty of creation myths. All of which attribute characteristicsto supposed gods and/or goddesses that are not self-evident in the naturalworld. Therefore, if any of these gods and/or goddesses felt chatty enough toexpress their personal feelings and desires to certain individuals they wouldbe doing us all a favor by expressing those feelings and desires to all of usdirectly. Otherwise, there is nocompelling reason to believe they exist, as laid out in various religioustenets.

Come on Jack, Jesus brought you here for a reason. If you are not here to persecute us, then you must be here to seek the path to Salvation. Admit it!!

If I were to guess I'd say I am here for the same reasons you are. Albeit I play a different role in the grand scheme of things, if you catch my drift.

[John Creeser]

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Jack,

Do you know how many times we've heard this?

Referring to the Bible as a "book" is like referring to an amoeba as a master chess player. The King James Version of the Bible is the inerrant and literal Word of God! Go read the scriptures I posted again, there is no mistaking it is the inspired Word of God!!

Every True Christian(tm) you see on this board knows this, and well follow God's word...TO THE LETTER!!

You seem to be a fairly intelligent guy Jack (and you even love Godly Clint Eastwood). I don't understand why you dismiss what is so obvious.

You may get some tough love from other members, but remember, it's out of pure love. We don't want to see you burn in hell, and if you give us a chance, we can help you get Saved!!

If not....

Leviticus 10:10 And that ye may put difference between holy and unholy, and between unclean and clean;

Ephesians 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

[Hans]

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As I have already pointed out in my first post, the Bible inand of itself cannot be used to establish its own credibility.

What are you talking about? You need some one more powerful than God to tell you that the Bible is real?
Ephesians 1:13- "In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy spirit of promise."
If the Bible is given by inspiration of God (as 2 Timothy 3:16), and God calls his word truth, why are you still questioning it is valid?

The existence of the earth no more proves theexistence of the Christian god than the existence of the earth proves theexistence of the Mesopotamian legend in which Marduk slew Tiamat. At face valuethere are no characteristics of the earth that corroborates the validity of anycreation myth. At best you can infer theearth was created and speculate on the existence of one or more creator beings,but the details of their nature would remain a mystery.

What does this mean? Are you speaking in tongues? :O

For instance, if I were to see a painting lying in thestreet I can infer that someone painted it. However, that is as far as I can reasonably speculate with regards to thepossible painter(s). The number of painters- be it one or many - is still unknown. Iwould also be in the dark concerning the sex, race, age, ethnicity,nationality, political affiliation, residence, personality and general likes &dislikes of the painter(s). Whattheology attempts to do is arbitrarily fill in this missing information withfabricated details rooted solely in ignorance and self-interest.

That is until the painter claims the painting as his own. God has told us who the true creator is. If you had actually read the Bible you know.

The existence of the earth, if we assume it is created, doesnot elaborate on any detail of the supposed creator(s) other than the fact thatit or they created the earth.

Does this creator(s) desire certain males to be circumcised? This is not self-evident in the earth'sexistence.

Does this creator(s) demandthat practicing homosexuals to be executed? This too is not self-evident in the earth's existence.

Is the creator omnipotent? This is also not evident.

YES. IT IS. Pick up the Bible and READ it. You want proof of God? Look around you. Scientists say that energy can't be created or destroyed, so how did this start out? Something does not make from nothing.

[WalkingInTheLight]

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The existence of the earth, if we assume it is created, doesnot elaborate on any detail of the supposed creator(s) other than the fact thatit or they created the earth.

Does this creator(s) desire certain males to be circumcised? This is not self-evident in the earth'sexistence.

Does this creator(s) demandthat practicing homosexuals to be executed? This too is not self-evident in the earth's existence.

What do you mean by this? Of course these things are evident in the earth's existance! Look around you, homosexuals cannot reproduce, thereby making them completely useless to the species.

As for the requirement to be circumcised...seriously? Have you ever heard of phimosis? Or worse, paraphimosis? Those are evidence alone that the Lord intended for men to be circumcised!

[MitzaLizalor]

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When I hear of people claiming that the world we see around us is not the one described in Genesis it makes me wonder, where do they think it is?

When someone tells me they've done a painting it helps A LOT if they show me the painting. That's evidence.

But when God tells me He created the world and lo, there it is — they move the goalposts and that's NOT evidence?

Who needs electroconvulsive therapy when there's atheism!

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: Atheists!! Think you are a moral person? Take the test!!

"Atheist" is an interesting term in that its meaning is subjective, dependent upon the subject matter. Given that this is a Christian forum, or rather, a "True Christian" forum, the term atheist will in the context of this post refer to those who do not believe in the existence and/or divinity of the Christian god. That being the case, no atheist would judge his or her own moral status on the statutes of the Christian Bible (supposedly inspired by said god). Ergo, the Christian Bible is not an applicable means to validate its own internal ideology to an external atheist denouncer.

Therefore, it would seem perfectly acceptable in my estimation that an atheist could admit to having done things the quiz you allude to labels as sins and still maintain that they are, in fact, good people. As good and bad are subjective premises typically linked to social indoctrination and standards, any individual assertion of a moral high ground is inherently absurd.

I might further add that the quiz has a few inconsistencies in its - shall we say - logic.

Case in point. The first question asked is, "Have you ever lied?"

Of course, any human being in their adult life has undoubtedly lied. According to the quiz that person is, for all intents and purposes, a liar. And liars are, presumably, bad.

However, it is never established why lying in and of itself is bad. It does not take into account the circumstances or the maturity level of the individual at the time of the lie. The quiz simply assumes the test takers already shares the test creators' black and white moral stance. If that were the case the test taker would never have chosen to identify themselves as a "good person".

A similar question begs to be asked: Have you ever told the truth?

Of course, any human being in their adult life has undoubtedly told the truth; On more occasions than they have lied, no doubt. Applying the same logic as the quiz, that same person is also a truthful person. And being truthful, I presume, is good by the test creators' moral leanings. This presents an incongruity which I will seek to amend. Assuming that the test taker has told the truth more than he or she has told lies, the scale would invariably favor their truthfulness over their dishonesty. Ergo, they are overall truthful individuals.

In conclusion, the quiz in question is not suitable for determining the moral status of anyone. It simply emphasizes the quiz creators' own predetermined ideology.

Atheist is not a subjective term. It means to positively assert that there is no God. And as any natural philosopher will tell you you cannot prove a negative so it is a logical fallacy.

Let me guess: you are a postmodernist or social constructionist.

Typical.

YIC