[Tantheus]

Re: About Wicca.

I wasn't saying that you should be Christian, I was implying that modern Christianity is far less pathetic then this babbling cult! What YOU don't get is that the bible is now your very last piece of evidence justifying that all other religions and aethiesm are evil, but you ignore the contradictions!! Let me show you a few:
GE 1:3-5 On the first day, God created light, then separated light and darkness.
GE 1:14-19 The sun (which separates night and day) wasn't created until the fourth day.
GE 1:11-12, 26-27 Trees were created before man was created.
GE 2:4-9 Man was created before trees were created.
GE 1:20-21, 26-27 Birds were created before man was created.
GE 2:7, 19 Man was created before birds were created.
GE 1:24-27 Animals were created before man was created.
GE 2:7, 19 Man was created before animals were created.
GE 1:26-27 Man and woman were created at the same time.
GE 2:7, 21-22 Man was created first, woman sometime later.
GE 1:28 God encourages reproduction.
LE 12:1-8 God requires purification rites following childbirth which, in effect, makes childbirth a sin. (Note: The period for purification following the birth of a daughter is twice that for a son.)
GE 1:31 God was pleased with his creation.
GE 6:5-6 God was not pleased with his creation.
(Note: That God should be displeased is inconsistent with the concept of omniscience.)
GE 2:4, 4:26, 12:8, 22:14-16, 26:25 God was already known as "the Lord" (Jahveh or Jehovah) much earlier than the time of Moses.
EX 6:2-3 God was first known as "the Lord" (Jahveh or Jehovah) at the time of the Egyptian Bondage, during the life of Moses.
GE 2:17 Adam was to die the very day that he ate the forbidden fruit.
GE 5:5 Adam lived 930 years.
GE 2:15-17, 3:4-6 It is wrong to want to be able to tell good from evil.
HE 5:13-14 It is immature to be unable to tell good from evil.
GE 4:4-5 God prefers Abel's offering and has no regard for Cain's.
2CH 19:7, AC 10:34, RO 2:11 God shows no partiality. He treats all alike.
GE 4:9 God asks Cain where his brother Able is.
PR 15:3, JE 16:17, 23:24-25, HE 4:13 God is everywhere. He sees everything. Nothing is hidden from his view.
GE 4:15, DT 32:19-27, IS 34:8 God is a vengeful god.
EX 15:3, IS 42:13, HE 12:29 God is a warrior. God is a consuming fire.
EX 20:5, 34:14, DT 4:24, 5:9, 6:15, 29:20, 32:21 God is a jealous god.
LE 26:7-8, NU 31:17-18, DT 20:16-17, JS 10:40, JG 14:19, EZ 9:5-7 The Spirit of God is (sometimes) murder and killing.
NU 25:3-4, DT 6:15, 9:7-8, 29:20, 32:21, PS 7:11, 78:49, JE 4:8, 17:4, 32:30-31, ZP 2:2 God is angry. His anger is sometimes fierce.
2SA 22:7-8 (KJV) "I called to the Lord; ... he heard my voice; ... The earth trembled and quaked, ... because he was angry. Smoke came from his nostrils. Consuming fire came from his mouth, burning coals blazed out of it."
EZ 6:12, NA 1:2, 6 God is jealous and furious. He reserves wrath for, and takes revenge on, his enemies. "... who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? His fury is poured out like fire, and rocks are thrown down by him."
2CO 13:11, 14, 1JN 4:8, 16 God is love.
GA 5:22-23 The fruit of the Spirit of God is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control.
GE 4:16 Cain went away (or out) from the presence of the Lord.
JE 23:23-24 A man cannot hide from God. God fills heaven and earth.
GE 6:4 There were Nephilim (giants) before the Flood.
GE 7:21 All creatures other than Noah and his clan were annihilated by the Flood.
NU 13:33 There were Nephilim after the Flood.
GE 6:6. EX 32:14, NU 14:20, 1SA 15:35, 2SA 24:16 God does change his mind.
NU 23:19-20, 1SA 15:29, JA 1:17 God does not change his mind.
GE 6:19-22, 7:8-9, 7:14-16 Two of each kind are to be taken, and are taken, aboard Noah's Ark.
GE 7:2-5 Seven pairs of some kinds are to be taken (and are taken) aboard the Ark.
GE 7:1 Noah was righteous.
JB 1:1,8, JB 2:3 Job was righteous.
LK 1:6 Zechariah and Elizabeth were righteous.
JA 5:16 Some men are righteous, (which makes their prayers effective).
1JN 3:6-9 Christians become righteous (or else they are not really Christians).
RO 3:10, 3:23, 1JN 1:8-10 No one was or is righteous.
GE 7:7 Noah and his clan enter the Ark.
GE 7:13 They enter the Ark again.
GE 11:7-9 God sows discord.
PR 6:16-19 God hates anyone who sows discord.
GE 11:9 At Babel, the Lord confused the language of the whole world.
1CO 14:33 Paul says that God is not the author of confusion.
GE 11:12 Arpachshad [Arphaxad] was the father of Shelah.
LK 3:35-36 Cainan was the father of Shelah. Arpachshad was the grandfather of Shelah.
GE 11:26 Terah was 70 years old when his son Abram was born.
GE 11:32 Terah was 205 years old when he died (making Abram 135 at the time).
GE 12:4, AC 7:4 Abram was 75 when he left Haran. This was after Terah died. Thus, Terah could have been no more than 145 when he died; or Abram was only 75 years old after he had lived 135 years.
GE 12:7, 17:1, 18:1, 26:2, 32:30, EX 3:16, 6:2-3, 24:9-11, 33:11, NU 12:7-8, 14:14, JB 42:5, AM 7:7-8, 9:1 God is seen.
EX 33:20, JN 1:18, 1JN 4:12 God is not seen. No one can see God's face and live. No one has ever seen him.
GE 10:5, 20, 31 There were many languages before the Tower of Babel.
GE 11:1 There was only one language before the Tower of Babel.
GE 15:9, EX 20:24, 29:10-42, LE 1:1-7:38, NU 28:1-29:40, God details sacrificial offerings.
JE 7:21-22 God says he did no such thing.
GE 16:15, 21:1-3, GA 4:22 Abraham had two sons, Ishmael and Isaac.
HE 11:17 Abraham had only one son.
GE 17:1, 35:11, 1CH 29:11-12, LK 1:37 God is omnipotent. Nothing is impossible with (or for) God.
JG 1:19 Although God was with Judah, together they could not defeat the plainsmen because the latter had iron chariots.
GE 17:7, 10-11 The covenant of circumcision is to be everlasting.
GA 6:15 It is of no consequence.
GE 17:8 God promises Abraham the land of Canaan as an "everlasting possession."
GE 25:8, AC 7:2-5, HE 11:13 Abraham died with the promise unfulfilled.

You guys even contradict Jesus; he said that you must love your enemies (you all have probably heard that) yet you guys say that (and also the bible says) that you must kill all witches. In fact, the purpose of this entire site contradicts the commandment of killing witches because it said on the homepage "guarenteeing salvation since 1620" but it did say in the bible that you must kill witches. Isn't this rather confusing? What I'm saying is, not everything in the bible is true! Some of it are just metaphors and lies written by people who were NOT JESUS NOR GOD! The key to being a True Christian is to show compassion,tolerance and selfishness for others, not to completley follow a book that includes lies, contradictions, and misunderstood metaphors.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: About Wicca.

Yes, actually I did mean poisoners, thanks for the correction. Other than that, I've said before. The bible was written by man and man is a liar. You say they were inspired by the holy spirit, wouldn't this mean they consorted with a spirit/familiar/whatever you'd like to call it. Couldn't they have been high on opium? Couldn't they have been insane? You have to ask these questions. For all you know, they could have been talking to aliens.

Yes, I do work with a familiar, a wolf spirit. It is a protector that was created and given to me by God. All of us have these power animals, whether you think so or not. God gave us all these abilities, these gifts; so why not use them? I work with my spirit to heal and protect, not only myself, but others.

The writers of the Bible were not inspired by the Holy Spirit, they were used by God like human pens. As for the writers being insane as you slander them, Oh come on, look at the Bible and try to tell me serious it was written by a madman.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: About Wicca.

Yes, actually I did mean poisoners, thanks for the correction. Other than that, I've said before. The bible was written by man and man is a liar. You say they were inspired by the holy spirit, wouldn't this mean they consorted with a spirit/familiar/whatever you'd like to call it. Couldn't they have been high on opium? Couldn't they have been insane? You have to ask these questions. For all you know, they could have been talking to aliens.

Are you saying the Creator of the Universe lacks the power to edit a book?

Yes, I do work with a familiar, a wolf spirit.

Then God commands that we execute you. Please proceed to Freehold for stoning.

It is a protector that was created and given to me by GodSatan. All of us have these power animalsdemons, whether you think so or not. GodSatan gave us all these abilities, these gifts; so why not use them? I work with my spirit demon to heal and protect, not only myself, but others.

If your demon were so effective, you would not need healing, as illness would be simply prevented.

[Satanic Lies]

Re: About Wicca.

So you get to spend all eternity in Heaven with us and Jesus. I thought we'd already been over this one?

If people like you are going to be there, I'd rather not.
Citation needed.

Citation needed. AND WE ARE POSITIVELY NOT ANGRY AND NOT GAY!

So then, you are hypocrites and racist?

There certainly are lots of sinners around here. Maybe we should clean the place up a little by getting rid of you.

Nice, be a smarty PANTS. You know I was speaking of you and the others here.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: About Wicca.

Nice, be a smart ass. You know I was speaking of you and the others here.

We do not sin. As Christians, we are free of sin, and not even able to sin.

1. 1 John 3:6
   Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
   
   
2. 1 John 5:18
   We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

[Brother Temperance]

Re: About Wicca.

Citation needed.

See the Holy Bible.

So then, you are hypocrites and racist?

No, we're not hypocrites (how could we be, when we follow God's Word?), and we certainly are not racists. We even have a whole thread about how we're not racists, if you can be bothered to look for it. Why, just the other week I was polite to a negro woman, that's how not-racist I am.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: About Wicca.

I wasn't saying <plagiarized cut-and-paste job deleted>

If you are going to post someone else's work, give credit for it.

Plagiarism is stealing.

I realize that you're a Wiccan, and therefore only follow the Devil's law of self-gratification; however, we do not tolerate theft here.

[Tantheus]

Re: About Wicca.

1) That's no where NEAR theft, fool! Don't you realise that I've just proven that your bible isn't something that you should always follow?! I did not steal that stuff. I did copy and paste it, but if you look at my text, there is nothing that says "I wrote that stuff" I intentionally disregarded adding in its source because I knew that it would be blocked out by the cowards of this site who do not wish for their pathetic cult to be liquidated.

2) Don't misdirect the subject like the Christians here always do. It's a sign (espeacially with infomation like that in a topic like this) of sheer weakness! Those contradictions have proved what I said when I posted them up.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: About Wicca.

1) That's no where NEAR theft, fool! Don't you realise that I've just proven that your bible isn't something that you should always follow?! I did not steal that stuff. I did copy and paste it, but if you look at my text, there is nothing that says "I wrote that stuff" I intentionally disregarded adding in its source because I knew that it would be blocked out by the cowards of this site who do not wish for their pathetic cult to be liquidated.

No, plagiarism is theft of ideas. You stole someone else's work and presented it as your own.

Meanwhile, you have proven nothing. The work you stole likewise proves nothing.

2) Don't misdirect the subject like the Christians here always do. It's a sign (espeacially with infomation like that in a topic like this) of sheer weakness! Those contradictions have proved what I said when I posted them up.

No they do not. If you bothered to read this site, you'd see that all this "contradiction" nonsense has been repeatedly debunked.

At least you finally admit that your goal in coming here is to harm Christianity.

So much for "harming none", eh, hypocrite?

[Rachael Van Helsing]

Re: About Wicca.

You guys even contradict Jesus; he said that you must love your enemies (you all have probably heard that) yet you guys say that (and also the bible says) that you must kill all witches. In fact, the purpose of this entire site contradicts the commandment of killing witches because it said on the homepage "guarenteeing salvation since 1620" but it did say in the bible that you must kill witches. Isn't this rather confusing? What I'm saying is, not everything in the bible is true! Some of it are just metaphors and lies written by people who were NOT JESUS NOR GOD! The key to being a True Christian is to show compassion,tolerance and selfishness for others, not to completley follow a book that includes lies, contradictions, and misunderstood metaphors.

Wow, you know as much about christianity as you do about wicca, clearly.
Love? Tolerance? What bible are you reading, because it sure isn't the actual bible. Oh no, the actual bible is something like this:

Love your enemies? I don't think so:

Luke 19:26-27 For I say unto you, That unto every one which hath shall be given; and from him that hath not, even that he hath shall be taken away from him.
27But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

And let's not forget my favorite:
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

[Mister Brasil]

Re: About Wicca.

Let me show you a few:
GE 1:3-5 On the first day, God created light, then separated light and darkness.
GE 1:14-19 The sun (which separates night and day) wasn't created until the fourth day.
GE 1:11-12, 26-27 Trees were created before man was created.
GE 2:4-9 Man was created before trees were created.

You have posted a real wall of text there! Some other folks have suggested that you just re-posted that list from someplace, but I think that we ought to give you the benefit of the doubt, and imagine that you've actually read the Bible.

Now, I've heard it said that we shouldn't have these debates-- other Christians have suggested that engaging in them just lends legitimacy to the people who want to teach "stupid design" in schools. I'm not sure about that, myself, but I do have a family to discipline, so I can't spend all night arguing with you. So let's just deal with the first few, and see if you're on the level? If you have a point, I'll grant it; if you don't, I'll assume that you're as full of it with the rest of your points as you are with these first few.

Genesis 1:3-5
And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.


Okay, God created light and darkness and night and day.


Genesis 1:16-19
And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.


Okay, later on, God made the sun and the moon.


So what? Unless you persist in the foolish notion that sun is a cause of day, and not an incidental effect?


Genesis 1:11-12
And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.


Okay, and then God made plants! Yay God.


Genesis 2:8-9
And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.


And sometime later, He made a garden, with lots of trees. Are you seriously suggesting that in Genesis 1:11-12, God made every plant that was ever to be? He created them; He didn't ordain that they would never again be created.


Okay, you've wasted enough of my time. Can you see how long an honest refutation of each of your points would be? Stop wasting my time and read the Bible already.

[GayWiccan'R'US2]

Re: About Wicca.

To the users of this forums:

Wicca is not a satanic worshiping religion like you see it as.
Wiccans do not believe in Satan we believe in a lord and a lady and honor the elements.
Wiccans do not use blood and do not make sacrifices during rituals (called Sabbaths).

"An ye harm none, do what ye will."

The last 8 words of the wiccan rede it means "if nothing is harmed do what you want" this is saying that wiccans won't do actions that cause harm.

Wiccans also believe in a "Three fold law" which is the same concept of karma (what goes around comes around). Anything you do will come back to you three-fold whether its good or bad it will come back to either advantage or disadvantage you. This law deters us from performing bad acts and encourages us to performs good acts.

Most wiccans do magick (won't explain at the moment) and such though some do not. Performing a ritual (sabbath) mightn't evolve magick (depends on the wiccan) it is just summoning the elements and honoring the lady and lord.

Most wiccans forgive christians for "the burning times" (a sensitive topic for both wiccans and christians) most modern day christians are not proud of what the ancestors of their religion did. Wiccans forgive them because they cant be held responisible for what thier ancestors did.

Joric.

i totally agree with you, im a wiccan/witch and i follow everything you say, your are correct. im also gay woooooooo what an "evil" combination dont you agree christians???? lmao takes me bk to the burning days lol, whos out on samhain this year ? i wonder if jesus wants to come out to play, you never kno i could convert him lol "happy halloween"

[GayWiccan'R'US1]

Re: About Wicca.

I totally agree with the person who originally started this forum. I am a wiccan/witch and we have no intention of harming others.

Bide the Wiccan Law ye must
In perfect love and perfect trust.
Eight words the Wiccan Rede fulfill
"An' harm ye none, do what ye will"

What ye sends forth comes back to thee
So ever mind the rule of three.
Follow this with mind and heart
Merry ye meet and merry ye part.

That basically means that you can do what you want as long as you don't harm others and whatever you give out, you will get bk threefold.
So everyone just stop fussing about wicca and witchcraft, saying that it is a satanist cult when it isnt. It is a religion based on love and peace.

[Mrs. Mary Whitford]

Re: About Wicca.

im a wiccan/witch... im also gay woooooooo what an "evil" combination dont you agree christians????

Of course we agree, what a stupid question. The fact that you know it's so evil makes me shudder at what kind of person you are that would choose either, let alone both.

i wonder if jesus wants to come out to play, you never kno i could convert him

I think you should apologize to Conswayla (or however she spells it), my maid, for making me vomit thus giving her something like that to clean up.

I totally agree with the person who originally started this forum. I am a wiccan/witch and we have no intention of harming others.

Obviously by the dark history of witches this isn't true. All the pain and suffering your kind has afflicted over the 6000 years of human history, all the babies you've caused to be stillborn, all the cows whose milk you have soured, the Black Death, the deaths of Dick York and Dick Sergeant (and note how Jesus struck down Elizabeth Montgomery in return).
Then there is the warning in the Bible.
Exodus 22:18 Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.
If you were really so harmless, I doubt God would order your legal executions (the soon-to-be President McCain had better fulfil his promise to Landover for our donations, votes, and help in his campaign by repealing the constitution and replacing it with the Bible).

[GayWiccan'R'US2]

Re: About Wicca.

I totally agree with the person who originally started this forum. I am a wiccan/witch and we have no intention of harming others.



That basically means that you can do what you want as long as you don't harm others and whatever you give out, you will get bk threefold.
So everyone just stop fussing about wicca and witchcraft, saying that it is a satanist cult when it isnt. It is a religion based on love and peace.

thanks RUS1 im happy that you agree on this thread lol
fancy hooking up with me we can go out with each other seeing as we're interesed in the same things hehe,

and this is m reply to the message i got, obviouly you can gayify jesus cos HE'S DEAD, and with the world today CHRISTIANITY WILL BE DEAD SOON LMAO you cant worship jesus if hes dead. wicca is nature relgion that means nature is in everything and lives on. get researching wicca and get a life, HAHA wait a minute get a life?? you guys?? lmao