[OnYourKnees]

Re: Retards, will they go to heaven?

1 - You claim that your God is mercy full and forgiving. Your God accepts Homosexuals when they repent, this enforces your claim. On the other hand, person A whose great, great Grandfather is a bastard, will go to Hell no matter what!!

Now, I don't understand this kind of mercy and forgiveness. To forgive someone who CHOSE to sin is a great act, but not forgive someone who didn't have any involvement in the act is something that proves that God is not mercy full or forgiving. Or basically is selective.

See #2.

2 - Freewill: You guys said that God knows who will go to Hell/Heaven before they are even born, I believe in that too. However, My God gives everyone multiple tries to believe in Him, He doesn't make them reject or believe in Him, they decide. My God basically knows the outcome, therefore, He knows who is going to Hell or Heaven. Your God sentence people to Hell just because one of his grandfathers or grandmothers is a bastard.

Actually, that's exactly what we believe. I fail to see why, when you state that you believe the same as we do, that you can't carry it the extra step further and see why it's more efficient and far more merciful for God to let the condemned souls be born to bastard bodies. They know up front, from day one, that they aren't going to Heaven.

Do you consider it just and merciful to instill false hope? After all, these "multiple chances" of which you speak being carried out don't mean anything when God already knows the outcome before the person is even conceived.

God knows now whether you will have great-grandchildren, and which (if any) of them will go to Heaven. He knows every choice they will ever make.

4 - About Chinese people going to Hell because they never believed in God.
In my belief: If someone didn't get a fair chance to believe in God, then this person will not go to Hell. If the Chinese people hear about God in the News all the time and never chose to believe in Him, then they will go to Hell. If they never heard oh Him, then they will not go to Hell.

Please show us where the Bible supports your belief. Where did this odd belief come from?

6 - As some of you might accuse of eating babies, the example in point 5 is just an EXAMPLE. It is similar to the "Changing expiring date" example.

Please don't eat babies. You'll turn into a Wiccan.

[Brother Temperance]

Re: Retards, will they go to heaven?

Sorry for replying late. I was out of town and I tried replying in the public library, but couldn't. Maybe the moderators here can solve this issue.

This is getting too long, so, let me summarize the points that I disagree or don't understand.

1 - You claim that your God is mercy full and forgiving. Your God accepts Homosexuals when they repent, this enforces your claim. On the other hand, person A whose great, great Grandfather is a bastard, will go to Hell no matter what!!
Now, I don't understand this kind of mercy and forgiveness. To forgive someone who CHOSE to sin is a great act, but not forgive someone who didn't have any involvement in the act is something that proves that God is not mercy full or forgiving. Or basically is selective.

As we have already said, how could you ever understand the Almighty God? It would be supreme arrogance to even attempt to do so. Yes, God is very selective. He is God, and that is His privilege.

2 - Freewill: You guys said that God knows who will go to Hell/Heaven before they are even born, I believe in that too. However, My God gives everyone multiple tries to believe in Him, He doesn't make them reject or believe in Him, they decide. My God basically knows the outcome, therefore, He knows who is going to Hell or Heaven. Your God sentence people to Hell just because one of his grandfathers or grandmothers is a bastard.

Your "god" is a contradiction wrapped up in a paradox. How can He give everyone multiple tries to believe in Him, if He knows in advance that they're going to Heaven or Hell? There doesn't seem to be much room for free will in there.

3 - True Christian women don't get Raped, which means that True Christian women are "Rape Proof"!! I suggested a test for True Christian women to go to dangerous neighborhoods at night to see if they would get raped as a test of Faith. However, Brother Temperance said that you guys are not allowed to test God. That, also, makes me believe that no True Christians test God, or any women who go to dangerous neighborhoods at night are not True Christian.
In short, no True Christians get raped. AND, no True Christians do anything that leads to a rape. Which is something I don't understand!! Does the bible explain ALL acts that lead to a rape??
Question: What if a sister X gets raped. Sister X is identified by all pastors as a True Christian. Sister X didn't do anything wrong. She was living her normal life, and she got raped. What happens to her??

You can provide as many impossible hypotheses as you like, the rest of us will just keep living in the real world, thank you very much.

4 - About Chinese people going to Hell because they never believed in God.
In my belief: If someone didn't get a fair chance to believe in God, then this person will not go to Hell. If the Chinese people hear about God in the News all the time and never chose to believe in Him, then they will go to Hell. If they never heard oh Him, then they will not go to Hell.

Is there anything in God's Word to support this belief? Anything whatsoever? How about just anything outside your own demented imagination? Anything there? Anything at all?
God is very clear about this:
Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

And how about a little John 3?
John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

If you don't believe in Jesus, you are condemned, full stop. Ignorance is no excuse.

5 - About understanding God: I am not asking what is God made of, or how big is God?? I am basically identifying two contradicting actions made by God, and raised a question. Read point 1 for the two contradicting actions and the raised question.
Again, if everyone believed with no questions, then EVERY SINGLE religion in the world is true. Religion X can say "You should eat babies every 1st Monday of even months", why, because their God "Said So". If the followers ask questions, we hit them with, and I quote your reasoning:
" Do young children understand everything their parents tell them? No of course not. They simply have faith in their parents and trust their parents and believe in their parents when the parents tell them certain things are dangerous or bad. So must we be with God. God demands that we have faith in Him and trust him and believe in him. To demand that Almighty God prove himself to such relatively insignificant creatures as ourselves is an insult.

As Brother Temperance said, Shert, Faith is the key -- Faith."

6 - As some of you might accuse of eating babies, the example in point 5 is just an EXAMPLE. It is similar to the "Changing expiring date" example.

So you deny the need for any kind of trust or Faith whatsoever? What a very strange religion you follow.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Retards, will they go to heaven?

Okay, to save time because "this is getting too long":

Your problem is with God, not us. God is not "our God" or "your God". God is God. We are but humble servants of the Lord, who follow the Holy Bible literally, as has been explained to you ad infinitum. We do not try and cherry-pick or put a spin on any aspect of God's Word, like most so-called Christians. If you don't like our beliefs, then I can only advise you to take it up with God Himself.

Although I don't advise it. God takes a dim view of those who want to alter His commandments.

Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

The sooner you accept Jesus and follow the ENTIRE Holy Bible, then the sooner you can get your life back on track.

[shert]

Re: Retards, will they go to heaven?

Sorry for replying late. I was out of town and I tried replying in the public library, but couldn't. Maybe the moderators here can solve this issue.

This is getting too long, so, let me summarize the points that I disagree or don't understand.

1 - You claim that your God is mercy full and forgiving. Your God accepts Homosexuals when they repent, this enforces your claim. On the other hand, person A whose great, great Grandfather is a bastard, will go to Hell no matter what!!
Now, I don't understand this kind of mercy and forgiveness. To forgive someone who CHOSE to sin is a great act, but not forgive someone who didn't have any involvement in the act is something that proves that God is not mercy full or forgiving. Or basically is selective.

2 - Freewill: You guys said that God knows who will go to Hell/Heaven before they are even born, I believe in that too. However, My God gives everyone multiple tries to believe in Him, He doesn't make them reject or believe in Him, they decide. My God basically knows the outcome, therefore, He knows who is going to Hell or Heaven. Your God sentence people to Hell just because one of his grandfathers or grandmothers is a bastard.
Some of you claimed that your God will make the souls who will enter Hell born as bastards, therefore, those people had no Freewill at all. God gave them NO chance at all, therefore, no Freewill because those bastards DIDN'T choose to be born bastards.
Some of you explained the above as sometimes we are affected by others actions. I agree with that. However, I don't agree that we get blamed for something we didn't commit or didn't play ANY role in. That is no justice at all.

3 - True Christian women don't get Raped, which means that True Christian women are "Rape Proof"!! I suggested a test for True Christian women to go to dangerous neighborhoods at night to see if they would get raped as a test of Faith. However, Brother Temperance said that you guys are not allowed to test God. That, also, makes me believe that no True Christians test God, or any women who go to dangerous neighborhoods at night are not True Christian.
In short, no True Christians get raped. AND, no True Christians do anything that leads to a rape. Which is something I don't understand!! Does the bible explain ALL acts that lead to a rape??
Question: What if a sister X gets raped. Sister X is identified by all pastors as a True Christian. Sister X didn't do anything wrong. She was living her normal life, and she got raped. What happens to her??

4 - About Chinese people going to Hell because they never believed in God.
In my belief: If someone didn't get a fair chance to believe in God, then this person will not go to Hell. If the Chinese people hear about God in the News all the time and never chose to believe in Him, then they will go to Hell. If they never heard oh Him, then they will not go to Hell.

5 - About understanding God: I am not asking what is God made of, or how big is God?? I am basically identifying two contradicting actions made by God, and raised a question. Read point 1 for the two contradicting actions and the raised question.
Again, if everyone believed with no questions, then EVERY SINGLE religion in the world is true. Religion X can say "You should eat babies every 1st Monday of even months", why, because their God "Said So". If the followers ask questions, we hit them with, and I quote your reasoning:
" Do young children understand everything their parents tell them? No of course not. They simply have faith in their parents and trust their parents and believe in their parents when the parents tell them certain things are dangerous or bad. So must we be with God. God demands that we have faith in Him and trust him and believe in him. To demand that Almighty God prove himself to such relatively insignificant creatures as ourselves is an insult.

As Brother Temperance said, Shert, Faith is the key -- Faith."

6 - As some of you might accuse of eating babies, the example in point 5 is just an EXAMPLE. It is similar to the "Changing expiring date" example.

[Enobarbus]

Re: Retards, will they go to heaven?

Thats my point, I don't understand your God. You cannot tell someone that he/she will understand once they are saved!! Because in order to be saved, you have to understand your God's Holy words!!
Understanding comes before believing. If you think its the other way around, then XY followers believe they are God's followers, why?? Because they believed everything they were told before they understood it.

Brother Temperance has already answered this, Shert, but labouring the point may not be a bad thing.

Do young children understand everything their parents tell them? No of course not. They simply have faith in their parents and trust their parents and believe in their parents when the parents tell them certain things are dangerous or bad. So must we be with God. God demands that we have faith in Him and trust him and believe in him. To demand that Almighty God prove himself to such relatively insignificant creatures as ourselves is an insult.

As Brother Temperance said, Shert, Faith is the key -- Faith.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Retards, will they go to heaven?

As has already been pointed out in detail, God hates cripples of all kind. Case closed, Praise Jesus.

[OnYourKnees]

Re: Retards, will they go to heaven?

How dare you even suggest that babies and children go to hell! Even though there is no hell, it's appalling for you to say that.

Please show us evidence to the contrary in Scripture.

If you don't like what God wrote in His Book, take it up with Him. We're just saying what He told us.

Why do you deny God, Ixi? Do you want to go to hell with all the babies and retards?

[Ixi]

Re: Retards, will they go to heaven?

I think as long as they're not too retarded to say "I accept you Jesus". Otherwise, it's hell for them, as the bible clearly states accepting Jesus Christ is the only way to heaven. Hell will also be filled with aborted babies and children too young to accept our Loving Lord™.

How dare you even suggest that babies and children go to hell! Even though there is no hell, it's appalling for you to say that.

[Mrs. Mary Whitford]

Re: Retards, will they go to heaven?

Sister Mary:
Brother Temperance said, and I quote: Unless they repent of their sinful ways. You keep on leaving God's mercy out of the equation, for some strange reason.
I am positive that he meant "Raped women". You made it clear that no True Christian women get raped, but Brother Temperance said that they could repent!!

Brother Temperance already answered this much better than I ever could, but you addressed me and I will politely reply, even though it seems like this has already been asked and answered countless times.
No True Christian woman can be raped, therefore, a woman who has been raped is not a True Christian. It's really that simple. She may call herself a "True Christian" all she wants, but if she gets raped then clearly her faith is lacking or non-existent and she's not really a True Christian.
Any non-True Christian can repent their sinful ways and become a True Christian. Once they are a True Christian, then they have no more sinful ways to repent.

[OnYourKnees]

Re: Retards, will they go to heaven?

There is not strange reason for leaving God's mercy out of the equation. The reason is that your God is being selective on who to have mercy on. For example, "Wash free from sins" to those who chose to sin, and not forgive the bastard who played no role in the crime and did his/her best to follow your God?? so is the Chinese boy!!
Now, did I leave God's mercy out of the equation?? Or, did your God choose to have no mercy at ALL for them??

I already explained to you that God knows before you're born where you will end up. He shows His infinite Mercy by having souls which will end up in Hell born as bastards or foreigners who will never know Jesus.

If THAT isn't mercy, I don't know what is!

And as you may have noticed, I am doing my best to follow all the rules pointed out by your Godly boards.

You're discussing things intelligently (well, emotionally, but otherwise fine), not using foul language, and behaving appropriately in all respects. I see no violations of rules, and we hope you will continue to discuss these matters with us and ask questions until you understand and love God just as much as we do.

Their parents had a challenge, and they failed it. So they should be punished, not the kid. I understand that others actions affect me, but they don't affect me in a way that I will be blamed for their actions!!

Others' actions affect you in a way that you may suffer for their actions.

As an example, if Company X dumps toxic waste in your water supply, and you get cancer, you still get cancer even though it's not your fault. You suffer because of Company X's actions.

Also, I believe that women get raped in white populated areas too.

We are not racists here, my friend.

Where is Freewill here?? If your destiny is decided for you before you even conceived, then why work hard?? Maybe all True Christian women can go to the most dangerous neighborhood in the US and see if they get raped!! It would a good test to see if you are a Truly True Christian or not!!

We are not to test God. Quite a simple concept, really. Don't test God, like Pentacostalists tossing snakes, because He may well snub you.

I believe you are saying that your God does not give humans free will. Because you said that God knows who will go to Hell or Heaven before they were conceived. You also said that your God directs damned souls to be born bastards, He also directs them to be born Chinese, or African, or Canadian.

God gives humans free will, He just already knows exactly what the outcomes will be. Since He knows the outcome, He is able to shuffle souls around so that the condemned are not wasted on True Christian parents.

Um . . . sorry, neither of those -- particularly the expiration date thing -- sounds like a crime of passion! Not buying it.
From my little understanding, changing the expiration date is an act of cheating and lieing.

Exactly. It's not a crime of passion; nobody gets "caught in the heat of the moment" and changes a bunch of expiration dates. It's premeditated fraud.

You're finally getting it! That's right, mere humans cannot comprehend God's divine will!
Are you also saying that you are following a God that you cannot understand His will??

Yep. That's where faith comes in. Haven't you heard of faith?

We're following a God who truly loves His followers, and ONLY His followers. He damns everyone else to eternal punishment for failing to follow Him.

I fully understand the above, but please answer this: How did the bastard fail to follow God??

I already explained that. God knew the bastard's soul was destined for Hell, so allowed it to be born to a non-Christian harlot mother. This way, the bastard could know while young that he was bound for Hell, and not have false hope.

If that's not MERCY, I don't know what is! GLORY!

Have you all taken a paternity test, like Dr. Davidson?? Are you 100% positive that your ancestors are married?? If you say no, then EVERYTHING you are doing now will be rewarded with HELL, along with Saddam Hussain!!

Not necessary. I look just like my father, and so do my brothers.

[Brother Temperance]

Re: Retards, will they go to heaven?

I am not laying any traps here, I am just replying to all of the comments directed to me.
Thats my point, I don't understand your God. You cannot tell someone that he/she will understand once they are saved!! Because in order to be saved, you have to understand your God's Holy words!!

You don't understand what FAITH means, do you? We don't truly understand God, we just have faith in Him. If we were to just follow things that appeared to make sense to our weak sense of rationality, we would become scientists.

Understanding comes before believing. If you think its the other way around, then XY followers believe they are God's followers, why?? Because they believed everything they were told before they understood it.
Thats what I am trying to do here, I am trying to understand your God's Laws in order to believe in him.

There is a difference between understanding God's laws and understanding God Himself. His instructions to mankind are written down plain as day in the Bible; the reasons for the instructions are comprehensible only to GOD.

Also, I am not wasting any energy trying to find "Imagined Contradictions". I am just quoting what you guys "True Christians" said to me, then all I do is try to understand them, if I don't. I will ask a question about them.

Sister Mary:
Brother Temperance said, and I quote: Unless they repent of their sinful ways. You keep on leaving God's mercy out of the equation, for some strange reason.
I am positive that he meant "Raped women". You made it clear that no True Christian women get raped, but Brother Temperance said that they could repent!!

:headbash: Friend, are you in the head or something? Me and Sister Mary are in perfect agreement! Sister Mary said that sinners (NOT True Christians) could get raped, and I agreed. I said that sinners, even those who'd been raped, could repent and become Christians, and I'm sure Sister Mary would agree! Why do you have so much trouble with the idea that sinners can repent of their sin and become Christian.

Brother Temperance:
Thanks, I understand the purpose of living in a "Gated Community" now.

There is not strange reason for leaving God's mercy out of the equation. The reason is that your God is being selective on who to have mercy on. For example, "Wash free from sins" to those who chose to sin, and not forgive the bastard who played no role in the crime and did his/her best to follow your God?? so is the Chinese boy!!
Now, did I leave God's mercy out of the equation?? Or, did your God choose to have no mercy at ALL for them??

No, the Chinee boy is perfectly free to repent of his sins and accept Jesus. Admittedly, he may have no idea who Jesus is, but that's hardly God's fault, is it?

Understand in the Judgment day!! Thats what every religion says. However, other religions provide better explanations than "You will understand in the Judgment day" or "You will understand once you are saved".

What on earth do you mean? What religions?

I am sorry I am not trying to start any trouble. I just want you to think of me as one of the "weekly saved souls" as I pointed out. And as you may have noticed, I am doing my best to follow all the rules pointed out by your Godly boards.

Their parents had a challenge, and they failed it. So they should be punished, not the kid. I understand that others actions affect me, but they don't affect me in a way that I will be blamed for their actions!!

We can suffer as a result of other people's actions, right? How is God supposed to put people off fornicating if they know that their children won't be condemned to eternal hellfire?

So, do you mean that its a different case if the woman was raped while she was living God's way?? For example, one of the sisters in Freehold got raped in her bedroom at night when an outsider broke into Freehold??

Name one example of that happening.

The question is, what if they, sometimes in weak moments, choose to change the expiration date on their goods because it makes more profit?? However, they follow everything else God asks them to do, except the expiration date action.

They should have prayed more. God is very clear about this:
James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
The only possible defence I can think of is that nowhere in the Bible does it specifically condemn changing expiration dates. I'm pretty sure it still comes under bearing false witness, though.

So, you don't understand the ways of your God??

Of course not, it'd be supreme arrogance to think that we could. We understand what He orders us to do, and that is enough.

Nonsense. God knows before you're conceived whether you will be going to Heaven or to Hell.
So why should he waste a perfectly good proper (married, Christian) pregnancy on someone who will burn anyway? In His infinite Mercy, God has many souls who He knows will go to Hell anyway born bastards. This way, they can be aware that they're damned, and not have false expectations.
Where is Freewill here?? If your destiny is decided for you before you even conceived, then why work hard?? Maybe all True Christian women can go to the most dangerous neighborhood in the US and see if they get raped!! It would a good test to see if you are a Truly True Christian or not!!

Deuteronomy 6:16 Ye shall not tempt the LORD your God, as ye tempted him in Massah.
We are commanded not to tempt God. If you tempt Him, you are clearly not a True Christian, and so are not worthy of His protection.

I believe you are saying that your God does not give humans free will. Because you said that God knows who will go to Hell or Heaven before they were conceived. You also said that your God directs damned souls to be born bastards, He also directs them to be born Chinese, or African, or Canadian.

Has God ever claimed to give us free will?

From my little understanding, changing the expiration date is an act of cheating and lieing.

Yes, and GOD will not stand for it!

Are you also saying that you are following a God that you cannot understand His will??

Of course!

I fully understand the above, but please answer this: How did the bastard fail to follow God??

By being tainted with the sin of Eve, of course.

Thank you for correcting me, I meant paternity test. Now, let me ask my question again:

Have you all taken a paternity test, like Dr. Davidson?? Are you 100% positive that your ancestors are married?? If you say no, then EVERYTHING you are doing now will be rewarded with HELL, along with Saddam Hussain!!

Yes, any of us could be headed to Hell for bastardy. What do you propose we do about it?

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Retards, will they go to heaven?

Everyone:
The example of changing the expiration date is just an EXAMPLE. I have never done it, and I will report anyone who is doing it as its an act of cheating and lieing and could cause death to innocent people.
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...Expiration date? Are you some kind of diaperhead who works at a 7/11?

[shert]

Re: Retards, will they go to heaven?

I don't have enough time to address each one of your posts, but I will do my best to answer every raised argument.

Pastor Ezekiel:
I am not laying any traps here, I am just replying to all of the comments directed to me.
Thats my point, I don't understand your God. You cannot tell someone that he/she will understand once they are saved!! Because in order to be saved, you have to understand your God's Holy words!!
Understanding comes before believing. If you think its the other way around, then XY followers believe they are God's followers, why?? Because they believed everything they were told before they understood it.
Thats what I am trying to do here, I am trying to understand your God's Laws in order to believe in him.
Also, I am not wasting any energy trying to find "Imagined Contradictions". I am just quoting what you guys "True Christians" said to me, then all I do is try to understand them, if I don't. I will ask a question about them.

Sister Mary:
Brother Temperance said, and I quote: Unless they repent of their sinful ways. You keep on leaving God's mercy out of the equation, for some strange reason.
I am positive that he meant "Raped women". You made it clear that no True Christian women get raped, but Brother Temperance said that they could repent!!

Brother Temperance:
Thanks, I understand the purpose of living in a "Gated Community" now.

There is not strange reason for leaving God's mercy out of the equation. The reason is that your God is being selective on who to have mercy on. For example, "Wash free from sins" to those who chose to sin, and not forgive the bastard who played no role in the crime and did his/her best to follow your God?? so is the Chinese boy!!
Now, did I leave God's mercy out of the equation?? Or, did your God choose to have no mercy at ALL for them??

Understand in the Judgment day!! Thats what every religion says. However, other religions provide better explanations than "You will understand in the Judgment day" or "You will understand once you are saved".

So does God. The only time you will see dissent and discord on these Godly boards is when outsiders like yourself come in and start trouble.
I am sorry I am not trying to start any trouble. I just want you to think of me as one of the "weekly saved souls" as I pointed out. And as you may have noticed, I am doing my best to follow all the rules pointed out by your Godly boards.

Their parents had a challenge, and they failed it. We have free will, but we do not operate under conditions of total autonomy - or do you believe that Free Will means that nothing anyone else does can ever affect you?
Their parents had a challenge, and they failed it. So they should be punished, not the kid. I understand that others actions affect me, but they don't affect me in a way that I will be blamed for their actions!!

They have free will. If they choose to use their free will to wear short skirts and go walking in the negroid areas of town, that's hardly God's fault, is it?
So, do you mean that its a different case if the woman was raped while she was living God's way?? For example, one of the sisters in Freehold got raped in her bedroom at night when an outsider broke into Freehold??
Also, I believe that women get raped in white populated areas too.

Yes. That is why, when tempted, we pray for God to give us strength, and He will guide us to the right choices. If you have God in your heart, you can't go wrong!
The question is, what if they, sometimes in weak moments, choose to change the expiration date on their goods because it makes more profit?? However, they follow everything else God asks them to do, except the expiration date action.

Friend, friend, why can't you see? Of course we mere humans can never understand the ways of God Almighty. If everything made perfect sense, there would be no room for Faith.
1 Corinthians 3:18 Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
So, you don't understand the ways of your God??

He loves His followers; He hates everyone else. It's hardly rocket science, is it?
Ok.

OnYourKnees:
Nonsense. God knows before you're conceived whether you will be going to Heaven or to Hell.
So why should he waste a perfectly good proper (married, Christian) pregnancy on someone who will burn anyway? In His infinite Mercy, God has many souls who He knows will go to Hell anyway born bastards. This way, they can be aware that they're damned, and not have false expectations.
Where is Freewill here?? If your destiny is decided for you before you even conceived, then why work hard?? Maybe all True Christian women can go to the most dangerous neighborhood in the US and see if they get raped!! It would a good test to see if you are a Truly True Christian or not!!
Just as God directs damned souls to be born bastards, He also directs them to be born Chinese, or African, or Canadian.
Also, where is Freewill here??
Son, are you saying that God does not give humans free will?
I believe you are saying that your God does not give humans free will. Because you said that God knows who will go to Hell or Heaven before they were conceived. You also said that your God directs damned souls to be born bastards, He also directs them to be born Chinese, or African, or Canadian.
Um . . . sorry, neither of those -- particularly the expiration date thing -- sounds like a crime of passion! Not buying it.
From my little understanding, changing the expiration date is an act of cheating and lieing.
You're finally getting it! That's right, mere humans cannot comprehend God's divine will!
Are you also saying that you are following a God that you cannot understand His will??
We're following a God who truly loves His followers, and ONLY His followers. He damns everyone else to eternal punishment for failing to follow Him.
I fully understand the above, but please answer this: How did the bastard fail to follow God??
I believe you mean paternity test. Most of us have a number of children, and are quite certain that we are fertile.
Thank you for correcting me, I meant paternity test. Now, let me ask my question again:

Have you all taken a paternity test, like Dr. Davidson?? Are you 100% positive that your ancestors are married?? If you say no, then EVERYTHING you are doing now will be rewarded with HELL, along with Saddam Hussain!!

Everyone:
The example of changing the expiration date is just an EXAMPLE. I have never done it, and I will report anyone who is doing it as its an act of cheating and lieing and could cause death to innocent people.

[Rev. Dr. Davidson]

Re: Retards, will they go to heaven?

I have traced many of my family lines to the Revolutionary War. The only disappointments I found were that one of my ancestors (not direct thank God) fought on the northern side of the Mason Dixon. Lukily he was killed in a Confederate prison camp.

[OnYourKnees]

Re: Retards, will they go to heaven?

To sister Mary:
If you believe that God wouldn't allow anything bad to happen, such as rape, to True Christian people, then what is the point of living in a "Gated" Community??

To ensure that no Jehovah Witlesses or Morons come a-knocking, for one.

Brother Temperance:
Yes my teacher asked me to do things that I didn't understand when I was a child, but I do now. Also, my teacher provided reasonable explanations that people agreed on. In our case here, the only explanations here are contradictions. For example, God gives "Wash free from sins" to people who chose to sin in the past, and on the other hand, He punishes people for a sin they didn't commit, He didn't even offer them a chance!!

Nonsense. God knows before you're conceived whether you will be going to Heaven or to Hell.

So why should he waste a perfectly good proper (married, Christian) pregnancy on someone who will burn anyway? In His infinite Mercy, God has many souls who He knows will go to Hell anyway born bastards. This way, they can be aware that they're damned, and not have false expectations.

GLORY!

Thank you for mentioning "The Challenge", in your second comment. Where is this challenge that the bastard and the Chinese boy had before going to HELL?? Remember that the Chinese boy was born in China where he didn't hear anything about Jesus, and that the bastard couldn't follow the laws Dr. Davidson pointed out because this bastard's mother is married or he is bastard because of early generations.

Just as God directs damned souls to be born bastards, He also directs them to be born Chinese, or African, or Canadian.

Also, where is the Free will you are talking about when Sister Mary said that any raped woman is not a True Christian??

Son, are you saying that God does not give humans free will?

However, people are not perfect, sometimes they are tempted to do something wrong because of heat of the moment. For example, change a grade or an expiration date on some goods to sell. Even if you turn your life over to God, there must be some of these moments.

Um . . . sorry, neither of those -- particularly the expiration date thing -- sounds like a crime of passion! Not buying it.

The vast majority of people in the world hates killers, kids rapists, dictators, etc etc. That doesn't make them good people because the vast majority of the world hates them.

Some of the above-listed people are considered good people by other people. That's why God's judgment (as conveniently written down for us in His Word) is all that matters!

About Job, no I don't understand this God who is punishing innocent kids and innocent people!!

You're finally getting it! That's right, mere humans cannot comprehend God's divine will!

True Christians don't sin?? Whats the point of forgiveness then?? What happens to a True Christian who changed the expiration date of some goods and sold them to another True Christian. Then, this person asked for forgiveness then after 5 years did it again??

How many children have gotten sick or died from your fraudulent merchandise marking, shert? That's negligent homicide, you know.

if you are telling that you are following a God who is a Bully who wants us to follow things because "He Said So" then I would understand. However, I don't because based on Dr. Davidson the God you are following is a God who truly loves His followers!!

We're following a God who truly loves His followers, and ONLY His followers. He damns everyone else to eternal punishment for failing to follow Him.

Get it?

Again, have you taken a fertility test?? Are you 100% positive that your ancestors are married?? If you say no, then EVERYTHING you are doing now will be rewarded with HELL, along with Saddam Hussain!!

I believe you mean paternity test. Most of us have a number of children, and are quite certain that we are fertile.