[shert]

Re: Retards, will they go to heaven?

You said: the sins of the parents fall on the shoulders of their offspring. What sin did this True Christian woman commit if she was raped?? I understand the law about correcting your mistake and marrying the woman. BUT what if the woman who was raped is married??

This could happen to any True Christian woman.

This law seems to be unfair at all, here is why I believe that:
1 - The baby did not play any role in the crime, and he is sentenced to Hell no matter what.
2 - The mother might not play any role in the crime too.
3 - In an attempt to make this fair, a solution was offered in the bible, which is getting married. However, this is not a 100% solution since the woman might be already married. Even if she is a widow or divorced, she cannot be remarried again.
4 - If I remember correctly, True Christian women are only allowed to marry True Christian men. So, if she was raped by an atheist or a protestant, will the church allow her to get married and fix the mistake that she didn't play any role in?? Probably the church would dismiss her from church if she decided to do that. So, the woman and her son are doomed no matter what they do!!
5 - If she was raped by a True Christian man, oh wait, that doesn't make any sense since a True Christian man wouldn't break such a commandment in the bible. As you said, and I quote: "Delibertly breaking God's commandments will earn you a fast way to hell."
I don't know if the church will allow the True Christian woman, assuming she was single, to marry this person who already earned his ticket to Hell.

In conclusion, this is unfair. I don't see how you can say "God truly loves his followers very much" in this case.

If I am wrong, please correct me.

[Rev. Dr. Davidson]

Re: Retards, will they go to heaven?

In other words "One Sin, You go to Hell", is this right??

In a way, you are absolutely correct. There are circumstances where a sin can be forgiven, but the penalties are harsh indeed. Once you are in the fold, you'd better fly right.

If its right, then your God Has no mercy at ALL.

Delibertly breaking God's commandments will earn you a fast way to hell.

Hypothetically, someone rapes a True Christian mother. Then the baby goes to Hell. Is this fair??

The bible is explicit about this. The father of that baby is to marry the woman or be stoned to death. If the father does not marry the woman, then the child can not even step inside a church. It may not sound fair, but it is God's law.

You said God loves his followers, but why wouldn't He allow this baby to be one of His followers and reward him at the end with Heaven?? Its not the baby's fault, nor the mother's. Its the criminal's fault and God's for allowing such an action to a True Christian mother.

In the bible, the sins of the parents fall on the shoulders of their offspring. Once a bastard is born, they may not enter the church, even to the tenth generation. There are several instances where all future generations were cursed. Ham's descendents for instance.

Genesis 9:20-28
And Noah began to be an husbandman, and he planted a vineyard And he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent.
And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without.
And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father's nakedness.
And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him.
And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren. And he said, Blessed be the LORD God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.
God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.

[shert]

Re: Retards, will they go to heaven?

You are right, I did not see the difference between perfection and sinlessness. I understand your point now, which brings me to another point. If you sin, then you are not a True Christian, which means you go to Hell. In other words "One Sin, You go to Hell", is this right??

If its right, then your God Has no mercy at ALL.
If its wrong, then you are wrong and True Christians do sin.

I'll wait for a response about God being fair about sending bastards to Hell.

Quoting from my previous post:
Hypothetically, someone rapes a True Christian mother. Then the baby goes to Hell. Is this fair??
You said God loves his followers, but why wouldn't He allow this baby to be one of His followers and reward him at the end with Heaven?? Its not the baby's fault, nor the mother's. Its the criminal's fault and God's for allowing such an action to a True Christian mother.

[Rev. Dr. Davidson]

Re: Retards, will they go to heaven?

How can you not be perfect if you don't sin?? I suppose your bible KJV1611 shows you have to live, if you follow the bible all the time, then you live a perfect life. If you break one of the bible rules, then you sinned because you are not perfect.

You are confusing perfection with sinlessness. God is perfect in all ways. You can live, make mistakes, and still be sinless.

Let's say you're trying to fix your car. You believe that it's the altenator, so you replace it. It later turns out that the modulator was faulty. You were honestly mistaken, and that is not a sin.

On the other hand, if you rob the corner liquor store, there is no way that you can say you thought it was the right thing to do.

Do you see where I'm going here? There is a large difference between making an honest grammar mistake, and killing your neighbor to sleep with his wife. One is a sin, and the other isn't.

[shert]

Re: Retards, will they go to heaven?

Dr. Davidson:

I understand that the bible is not a fairy tale that makes everyone happy and everyone gets what he wants at the end. I understand the biblical rules you outlined above, thanks. I look forward for more biblical rules outlined like above to understand.

However, do you see my point??

Hypothetically, someone rapes a True Christian mother. Then the baby goes to Hell. Is this fair??

You said God loves his followers, but why wouldn't He allow this baby to be one of His followers and reward him at the end with Heaven?? Its not the baby's fault, nor the mother's. Its the criminal's fault and God's for allowing such an action to a True Christian mother.


How can you not be perfect if you don't sin?? I suppose your bible KJV1611 shows you have to live, if you follow the bible all the time, then you live a perfect life. If you break one of the bible rules, then you sinned because you are not perfect.

[Rev. Dr. Davidson]

Re: Retards, will they go to heaven?

What you have to understand, is that the bible is not filled with lovely fairy tales. Many false Christians will say that God is only a God of love, and so on and so forth. This is completely untrue. He is only that God of love to his followers.

Your above question about the woman or man already being married. In that case, both parties are stoned to death. Adultery is a sin, plain and simple. If an unmarried man takes an unmarried/virgin woman, he has to pay the father and marry her. That is the biblical law.

On the reverse, if the man does not take her as his wife(tries to slip off), he is sentenced to death. If the father then tries to marry off the devirginized daughter, he must offer up a dowry to the potential groom.

God loves his followers very much, but He set down laws for them to obey. Remember, if a person who follows the commandments breaks even one, they are guilty of breaking them all. God of the old and new testament is a jealous god. He has no mercy for those who break his laws, and He tells us not to have mercy for those sinners either. They must come freely to him.

Is everything I say 100% correct all the time, and am I perfect? No. I am not God, therefore can not be perfect. If you're asking if I sin, the answer is no. I stay within the laws outlined in the bible 100% of the time.

[shert]

Re: Retards, will they go to heaven?

From my little knowledge I have about your Religion, I thought that a man or a woman is only allowed to get married once. So, your advice that your hypothetical bastard friend should convince his mother to marry the rapist might not be valid, what if she is already married?? What if the rape occurred when his mom was married??


We can go on and on about this. The thing I do not understand is that God is fair, but you are giving me the impression that he is not because he is sentencing a good person to Hell because God himself allowed a bad person to rape this person's mother.

You might say: All bastards are bad people. But I disagree because not everyone takes a fertility test. And no one denies the possibility of his mother being raped or straying for a short period of time.

Dr. Davidson: Are you telling me that you are perfect?? That you don't sin at all?? That every word that comes out of your mouth is correct?? That all actions you do are correct?? That, sometimes you know the future and the past??

I am sorry about all these questions, I am just trying to understand.

[Rev. Dr. Davidson]

Re: Retards, will they go to heaven?

A hypothetical question, what would you do if you find out that you were conceived out of marriage by another man??

In this case, if the man has paid her father, and taken her as wife, then the child can be saved.

Deuteronomy 22:18And the elders of that city shall take that man and chastise him;
19And they shall amerce him in an hundred shekels of silver, and give them unto the father of the damsel, because he hath brought up an evil name upon a virgin of Israel: and she shall be his wife; he may not put her away all his days.

Or what would you advise your Christian friend if he approached you one day and told you that he just found out that he is a bastard?? That his mother was raped

I understand that the bible is clear about bastards, but what would be the Christian thing to do to the above two cases??

The True Christain™ thing to do would be to inform the church council. After that, the person would be driven from the church, and quite possible stoned for even entering the church. It is important for a person to know their parentage, and they should have known years before.

So, if person Z is truly saved, then he will be unable to sin?? So, all True Christians and pastors in these forums are sinless?? I thought only Jesus Christ is sinless??

This one is easy. Pastor Feelgood will tell you that you're a sinner no matter what. Reverend Pedophile will tell you that you're not even going straight to heaven because you sin every moment of every day you're alive. The truth is, a True Christian finds it impossible to sin once he is saved. On a rare occassion, even a True Christian is said to stray. This is not true, and is usually a lie spread by evil LIE-berals.

[OnYourKnees]

Re: Retards, will they go to heaven?

A hypothetical question, what would you do if you find out that you were conceived out of marriage by another man?? Or what would you advise your Christian friend if he approached you one day and told you that he just found out that he is a bastard?? That his mother was raped.

I understand that the bible is clear about bastards, but what would be the Christian thing to do to the above two cases??

The Christian thing to do is to understand the truth and learn to deal with it. I would suggest to someone else that perhaps he should convince his mother to marry the rapist, knowing that his salvation was at stake; should he fail in this attempt, I'd suggest that he pursue a career in science, philosophy, or anything else which would encourage him to avoid thinking about anything Godly, and to enjoy what time he has before entering eternal torment.

Of course, he could also dedicate his life to saving others from his same fate, by speaking out against illegitimacy. It wouldn't change his ultimate fate, but might give him some peace.

So, if person Z is truly saved, then he will be unable to sin?? So, all True Christians and pastors in these forums are sinless?? I thought only Jesus Christ is sinless??

And if person Z is truly saved, then, from my understanding of your above post, he/she will NEVER EVER have some kind of injury that will make him/her do things without even knowing it and that True Christians don't approve of??

Once a person is Saved, he is unable to sin any more. He is without sin.

Whether True Christians approve of a behavior or not is irrelevant; God decides what is and is not appropriate!

[shert]

Re: Retards, will they go to heaven?

A hypothetical question, what would you do if you find out that you were conceived out of marriage by another man?? Or what would you advise your Christian friend if he approached you one day and told you that he just found out that he is a bastard?? That his mother was raped.

I understand that the bible is clear about bastards, but what would be the Christian thing to do to the above two cases??


So, if person Z is truly saved, then he will be unable to sin?? So, all True Christians and pastors in these forums are sinless?? I thought only Jesus Christ is sinless??

And if person Z is truly saved, then, from my understanding of your above post, he/she will NEVER EVER have some kind of injury that will make him/her do things without even knowing it and that True Christians don't approve of??

[OnYourKnees]

Re: Retards, will they go to heaven?

I have two questions.

What if there are evidence that a True Christian, lets call him/her person Y, turned to be a bastard?? Will he/she go to Heaven??

My understanding is that being a bastard is the parent's fault, so why is person Y being judged by his/her parent's actions?? And why would God not reward him/her with Heaven if he/she has been a True Christian most of his/her life??

God's very clear:

Deuteronomy 23:2
A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD.

Your illegitimate friend should never have been brought into church in the first place, and cannot be a True Christian.

Another question is what if another True Christian, lets call him/her person Z, had a head injury in an accident that is completely not his/her fault. As a result of this action, person Z became mentally handicapped and started doing many things that he doesn't even comprehend and that True Christians don't approve of?? Will person Z go to Heaven??

If Person Z is truly Saved, then Z will be unable to sin, regardless of head injury. If Person Z is not truly Saved, then Z was going to Hell anyway.

Further, as the Bible tells us, thought (that is, intent) originates in the heart:

Genesis 6:5
And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

Proverbs 23:7
As he thinketh in his heart, so is he.

Luke 9:47
And Jesus, perceiving the thought of their heart, took a child, and set him by him.

Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is quick, and powerful . . . and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

[shert]

Re: Retards, will they go to heaven?

I know people with damaged stones, bastards, and other defects won't go, but what about mental defects? If a retard is so retarded, then they couldn't understand enough to accept Christ. But I saw a bunch of them in A Christian workshop making leather wallets to sell and they were all singing, "Jesus Loves the Little Children," so maybe they could get into heaven.
Retarded isn't in the Bible.

I have two questions.

What if there are evidence that a True Christian, lets call him/her person Y, turned to be a bastard?? Will he/she go to Heaven??

My understanding is that being a bastard is the parent's fault, so why is person Y being judged by his/her parent's actions?? And why would God not reward him/her with Heaven if he/she has been a True Christian most of his/her life??

Another question is what if another True Christian, lets call him/her person Z, had a head injury in an accident that is completely not his/her fault. As a result of this action, person Z became mentally handicapped and started doing many things that he doesn't even comprehend and that True Christians don't approve of?? Will person Z go to Heaven??


Sorry for the lengthy post, I am trying to be as clear as possible.

[eliot mayfield]

Re: Retards, will they go to heaven?

What's wrong with Hummers? Seems a little expensive to go around giving them to each other. One is enough. The rest should go to the Lord!

[maverickxeo]

Re: Retards, will they go to heaven?

Are you a Nigra or a messican't? I have to ask, because I can't really think of any other person who would think "lazy" isn't an insult.

Who said I said calling someone 'lazy' isn't an insult.

[Mrs. Mary Whitford]

Re: Retards, will they go to heaven?

It is possible they are just lazy.

Are you a Nigra or a messican't? I have to ask, because I can't really think of any other person who would think "lazy" isn't an insult.