Re: Retards, will they go to heaven?
To sister Mary:
If you believe that God wouldn't allow anything bad to happen, such as rape, to True Christian people, then what is the point of living in a "Gated" Community??
Because we are commanded to separate ourselves off from the unrighteous. We will only earn God's protection if we avoid earthly corruption.
So, if you are right, then can we assume that True Christians don't get raped?? And that if you were raped before and got pregnant, then thats a sign that you are not a True Christian?? Therefore you are going to Hell just because you got raped??
If the answer is yes to the above question, then can we add this to your rules: "Raped Women are not True Christians, therefor they are going to HELL"??
Unless they repent of their sinful ways. You keep on leaving God's mercy out of the equation, for some strange reason.
Brother Temperance:
Yes my teacher asked me to do things that I didn't understand when I was a child, but I do now.
And you will understand all on Judgement Day. I just hope you will be able to understand while ascending into Glory, rather than plummeting into Hell.
Also, my teacher provided reasonable explanations that people agreed on.
So does God. The only time you will see dissent and discord on these Godly boards is when outsiders like yourself come in and start trouble.
In our case here, the only explanations here are contradictions. For example, God gives "Wash free from sins" to people who chose to sin in the past, and on the other hand, He punishes people for a sin they didn't commit, He didn't even offer them a chance!!
Thank you for mentioning "The Challenge", in your second comment. Where is this challenge that the bastard and the Chinese boy had before going to HELL?? Remember that the Chinese boy was born in China where he didn't hear anything about Jesus, and that the bastard couldn't follow the laws Dr. Davidson pointed out because this bastard's mother is married or he is bastard because of early generations.
Their parents had a challenge, and they failed it. We have free will, but we do not operate under conditions of total autonomy - or do you believe that Free Will means that nothing anyone else does can ever affect you?
Also, where is the Free will you are talking about when Sister Mary said that any raped woman is not a True Christian??
They have free will. If they choose to use their free will to wear short skirts and go walking in the negroid areas of town, that's hardly God's fault, is it?
In your third comment, I agree that people cannot just sin the whole week and ask for forgiveness the next week, then repeat. However, people are not perfect, sometimes they are tempted to do something wrong because of heat of the moment. For example, change a grade or an expiration date on some goods to sell. Even if you turn your life over to God, there must be some of these moments.
Yes. That is why, when tempted, we pray for God to give us strength, and He will guide us to the right choices. If you have God in your heart, you can't go wrong!
The vast majority of people in the world hates killers, kids rapists, dictators, etc etc. That doesn't make them good people because the vast majority of the world hates them.
And a great deal of people hate Americans and Jews too. God does promise that His followers will be hated, but just being hated on its own isn't enough to make you a Christian.
About Job, no I don't understand this God who is punishing innocent kids and innocent people!!
Friend, friend, why can't you see? Of course we mere humans can never understand the ways of God Almighty. If everything made perfect sense, there would be no room for Faith.
1 Corinthians 3:18 Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
About the Chinese example, you are right. We should worry about this instead because the example shows worse justice than the bastard case.
True Christians don't sin?? Whats the point of forgiveness then?? What happens to a True Christian who changed the expiration date of some goods and sold them to another True Christian. Then, this person asked for forgiveness then after 5 years did it again??
Then he is clearly playing the joker and abusing God's mercy, and is headed straight for the furnace.
Hebrews 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
if you are telling that you are following a God who is a Bully who wants us to follow things because "He Said So" then I would understand. However, I don't because based on Dr. Davidson the God you are following is a God who truly loves His followers!!
He loves His followers; He hates everyone else. It's hardly rocket science, is it?
Again, have you taken a fertility test?? Are you 100% positive that your ancestors are married?? If you say no, then EVERYTHING you are doing now will be rewarded with HELL, along with Saddam Hussain!!
I am sanguine about that prospect. If I was a hellbound bastard, what would it change? Should I go around raping little crippled kids just because there'd be no reason not to?
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Re: Retards, will they go to heaven?
It was an act of mercy towards the followers of Christ. The human race had nothing to do with it. It also was a method for others(not true believers) to come to him.Originally posted by God's_Hacker View PostLeave a comment:
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Re: Retards, will they go to heaven?
Friend; out of the billions and billions of things people are tempted to do you picked this as an example. Very strange. In fact you mentioned it twice in your post. Is there something on your mind you'd like to talk to us about? Have you made any Christian babies sick selling rotting food?Originally posted by shert View PostLeave a comment:
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Re: Retards, will they go to heaven?
Sometimes I forget that many people are foolish enough to not read the Bible, such as yourself. I should have given you some Scripture for that answer, so I will make up for it now. God makes it clear that it is a sin to be raped, but the sin is only equal to sodomy or witchcraft if it takes place in a city and the woman doesn't cry out.Originally posted by Sister Mary Maria View Post
So if rape is a sin, and True Christians can't sin (search this forum, the pastors have proven it again and again), then a True Christian woman can't be raped. Therefore, if a woman has been raped, she's not a True Christian and as such, she is doomed to Hell unless she repents her sinful ways.
Deuteronomy 22:23 If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her;
22:24 Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you.
22:25 But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die.
22:26 But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbour, and slayeth him, even so is this matter:
22:27 For he found her in the field, and the betrothed damsel cried, and there was none to save her.
22:28 If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;
22:29 Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.Leave a comment:
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Re: Retards, will they go to heaven?
(1) Peace and quiet. Not having to put up with mooselimb priests wailing from rooftops that it's time to pray to Satan. And I didn't say God wouldn't allow anything bad to happen. He likes to test us all the time. Why, just a couple of months ago He started to test my friend Abigail by causing her 4-year-old son Peter to be caught in a shed fire, resulting in third degree burns over 65% of his body and her 2-year-old daughter Rebecca to die in the fire. He didn't give Abigail any more than she can handle, and she's been proving herself strong in her faith by still being joyous in the Lord's love through all of Peter's agonizing screams of pain.Originally posted by shert View Post
(2) Yes.Leave a comment:
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Re: Retards, will they go to heaven?
Friend, calm yourself.Originally posted by shert View Post
I have been reading all of your posts and following your progress on the road to Christ. It seems that you are filled with rage, and the above example from your most recent posting exemplifies that.
It seems to me that you are a pretty busy sinner. You spend lots of time and energy laying your traps and trying to catch us in some imagined contradiction. You are just thinking too much. And it adds up to stinkin thinkin.
Since you are not yet saved, you have exactly zero hope of understanding God's Holy Word. Exactly zero. You are doing lots of jumping up and down, thrashing about, thinking that you can. But I am here to tell you, you are misguided, friend.
John 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 8:45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
Son, what is your point? Just come out with it.Leave a comment:
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Re: Retards, will they go to heaven?
To sister Mary:
If you believe that God wouldn't allow anything bad to happen, such as rape, to True Christian people, then what is the point of living in a "Gated" Community??
So, if you are right, then can we assume that True Christians don't get raped?? And that if you were raped before and got pregnant, then thats a sign that you are not a True Christian?? Therefore you are going to Hell just because you got raped??
If the answer is yes to the above question, then can we add this to your rules: "Raped Women are not True Christians, therefor they are going to HELL"??
Brother Temperance:
Yes my teacher asked me to do things that I didn't understand when I was a child, but I do now. Also, my teacher provided reasonable explanations that people agreed on. In our case here, the only explanations here are contradictions. For example, God gives "Wash free from sins" to people who chose to sin in the past, and on the other hand, He punishes people for a sin they didn't commit, He didn't even offer them a chance!!
Thank you for mentioning "The Challenge", in your second comment. Where is this challenge that the bastard and the Chinese boy had before going to HELL?? Remember that the Chinese boy was born in China where he didn't hear anything about Jesus, and that the bastard couldn't follow the laws Dr. Davidson pointed out because this bastard's mother is married or he is bastard because of early generations.
Also, where is the Free will you are talking about when Sister Mary said that any raped woman is not a True Christian??
In your third comment, I agree that people cannot just sin the whole week and ask for forgiveness the next week, then repeat. However, people are not perfect, sometimes they are tempted to do something wrong because of heat of the moment. For example, change a grade or an expiration date on some goods to sell. Even if you turn your life over to God, there must be some of these moments.
The vast majority of people in the world hates killers, kids rapists, dictators, etc etc. That doesn't make them good people because the vast majority of the world hates them.
About Job, no I don't understand this God who is punishing innocent kids and innocent people!!
About the Chinese example, you are right. We should worry about this instead because the example shows worse justice than the bastard case.
True Christians don't sin?? Whats the point of forgiveness then?? What happens to a True Christian who changed the expiration date of some goods and sold them to another True Christian. Then, this person asked for forgiveness then after 5 years did it again??
What web? I think you may be remembering things that don't exist.
No, I don't remember things that don't exist. Go here: http://www.landoverbaptist.org/beliefs.html and search for the word soul. You will get, and I quote "failure to win at least one soul a week" which is one of the Baptist Behavior 101 and Fines for Misconduct.
if you are telling that you are following a God who is a Bully who wants us to follow things because "He Said So" then I would understand. However, I don't because based on Dr. Davidson the God you are following is a God who truly loves His followers!!
Again, have you taken a fertility test?? Are you 100% positive that your ancestors are married?? If you say no, then EVERYTHING you are doing now will be rewarded with HELL, along with Saddam Hussain!!
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Re: Retards, will they go to heaven?
Ok, I'll try my best to comment on all points mentioned above, however, I might forget one or two due to time constraints.
If God is Fair in way that he Himself only understands, then why worship Him?? Why would God gives us laws that He Himself only understand or sees to be Fair, then asks us to follow it. In this sense He is playing a Dictator, which contradict with what Dr. Davidson said about God loving his followers.
When you were a child at school, did your teachers make you do things you didn't want to? Did you resent them for it at the time? Are you grateful for it now? There you go then. God loves us, but He also knows what's good for us better than we do. And we worship Him because the alternative is eternal suffering. Fear of God is the beginning of wisdom.
About the Chinese boy, yes it is unfair to let him go to Hell. If God is so great, then He should be popular EVERYWHERE, not only in Freehold. You have to understand, you cannot say that God is perfect, but not fair!!
But where would be the challenge in that? If God made everyone love him, there would be no need for free will. It is necessary for billions and billions of unsaved Chinamen to burn for eternity that we should be able to rise above the animals and accept God of our own free will.
About True Christians and Sins, I don't get it. One person says that True Christians don't sin, and that if they do, they get a ticket to Hell. The other one says, you can sin and ask Jesus to wash you free of sin ANY TIME.
Not at any time. Asking Jesus to wash your sins away isn't like asking one of your buddies for a light. It is a serious commitment involving turning your entire life over to Him and asking Him to come into your heart and keep you free from sin. If you think you can spend all week sinning, spend half an hour kneeling in Church and begging for forgiveness, then go out and do the same thing all over again next week, you've got a big surprise waiting for you on Judgement Day!
If I make an example or an argument that MOST people agree on, even you said that "It may seems unfair", then I may question the God, who is perfect and knows the past/present and the future to lay such a law that most people disagree with!!
You are perfectly free to question God. However, you should bear in mind that God is likely to make you suffer eternally for your blasphemy. God's ways are not the ways of the world, so of course most people will reject the path of righteousness. Here's some Scripture to make things clearer for you:
John 15:18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
Matthew 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
You see? God will cause the vast majority of the world's population to go down into destruction rather than choosing the path of Eternal Life. Why He would do this is beyond our understanding, but He tells us He will.
About Job:
From my little understanding, Job was tested, and he was judged by his actions.
He was judged according to his actions, but he was not punished or rewarded according to his actions. He was an innocent man who God punished and tortured hideously. You ask how God could punish innocent children for their parents' sins, but Job's children were punished and killed even though their parents were completely innocent! You understand?
However, when you tell someone "YOU ARE GOING TO HELL" just because someone drunk raped your "Married" and "True Christian" mother, even the bible offers a solution that is questionable, refer to the 5 points I wrote above. Does this sound fair?? Is the little boy given a chance??
As much as a chance as the heathen Chinee in my previous example. Face it, the number of people who're going to Hell because they never even heard about Jesus is probably far far larger than the amount of people who're going to Hell for being bastards, so why not worry about that instead?
To Sister Mary Maria:
In my example I mentioned multiple times, I kept saying that the mother is a True Christian married woman. Even a True Christian man might commit such a sin with a True Christian woman, But I am still not sure about that because one person says True Christians don't sin and the other one says they sin and ask for a "Wash free from sins".
No, True Christians don't sin, I never said that. I said that sinners could become True Christians and give up sin, but I never claimed that True Christians sin, that'd be ludicrous.
If you really believe that God won't allow a to-be True Christian baby be born outside of marriage, then what happens to our "Free Will".
In this web, one of the rules "if I remember correctly" is that you have to save a soul every week or so.
What web? I think you may be remembering things that don't exist.
What is the point of that if God destines people to Hell or Heaven before they are even born?? Why would God sentence someone to Hell without even giving them a chance?? Basically God is punishing this person just because "He Says So".
Now you're starting to show some kinds of understanding?
To any True Christian people reading this: Have you ever taken a fertility test to see if your parents are really your parents??
If you say no, then there is a chance you are going to Hell, no matter how good you were, you are, or you will be!
Reminds me of Sister Ellymae. She was a good and faithful member of the congregation, then she discovered she had some unmarried ancestry. She died a while back, and now she's in Hell. It's pretty sad, but as the great Donald Rumsfeld said, stuff happens.Leave a comment:
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Re: Retards, will they go to heaven?
What a stupid question. Because God wouldn't allow a True Christian woman to be raped, then if a supposed True Christian woman is raped, she's not really a True Christian and God sent the rapist to punish her for lying.Originally posted by shert View PostLeave a comment:
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Re: Retards, will they go to heaven?
Ok, I'll try my best to comment on all points mentioned above, however, I might forget one or two due to time constraints.
If God is Fair in way that he Himself only understands, then why worship Him?? Why would God gives us laws that He Himself only understand or sees to be Fair, then asks us to follow it. In this sense He is playing a Dictator, which contradict with what Dr. Davidson said about God loving his followers.
How come God is mercy full that he will grant someone a "Wash Free From Sins" that this person committed, but not grant him a "Wash Free from a SINGLE sin" that he didn't play any role in it, neither his mother who has been a True Christian person her whole life??
I am sure that there are standards in the world that most intelligent human beings agree on, e.g., Kicking little babies for fun is wrong. And I am sure that if give this example about the married True Christian woman being raped and her son being sentenced to Hell no matter what he does is Not Fair.
About the Chinese boy, yes it is unfair to let him go to Hell. If God is so great, then He should be popular EVERYWHERE, not only in Freehold. You have to understand, you cannot say that God is perfect, but not fair!!
About True Christians and Sins, I don't get it. One person says that True Christians don't sin, and that if they do, they get a ticket to Hell. The other one says, you can sin and ask Jesus to wash you free of sin ANY TIME.
If I make an example or an argument that MOST people agree on, even you said that "It may seems unfair", then I may question the God, who is perfect and knows the past/present and the future to lay such a law that most people disagree with!!
About Job:
From my little understanding, Job was tested, and he was judged by his actions. However, when you tell someone "YOU ARE GOING TO HELL" just because someone drunk raped your "Married" and "True Christian" mother, even the bible offers a solution that is questionable, refer to the 5 points I wrote above. Does this sound fair?? Is the little boy given a chance??
To Sister Mary Maria:
In my example I mentioned multiple times, I kept saying that the mother is a True Christian married woman. Even a True Christian man might commit such a sin with a True Christian woman, But I am still not sure about that because one person says True Christians don't sin and the other one says they sin and ask for a "Wash free from sins".
If you really believe that God won't allow a to-be True Christian baby be born outside of marriage, then what happens to our "Free Will".
In this web, one of the rules "if I remember correctly" is that you have to save a soul every week or so. What is the point of that if God destines people to Hell or Heaven before they are even born?? Why would God sentence someone to Hell without even giving them a chance?? Basically God is punishing this person just because "He Says So".
To any True Christian people reading this: Have you ever taken a fertility test to see if your parents are really your parents??
If you say no, then there is a chance you are going to Hell, no matter how good you were, you are, or you will be!!Leave a comment:
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Re: Retards, will they go to heaven?
"What about the babies?!!?!" God is omniscient! He knows EVERYTHING! Do you think He would allow a baby who will grow into a Godly True Christian be born to a mother who will be rapes? No! He knows already that if these children were to grow up, they would be monstrous sinners just like their parents! Even with everything else going against them, that alone makes them worthy of Hell.Leave a comment:
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Re: Retards, will they go to heaven?
Fortunately, my friend, the Bible tells us the law.Originally posted by shert View Post
As Christians, we are free from considering "fair" or "unfair", or trying to figure out why God said the things He said. He did. That's it.
If you wonder about some hypothetical outcast bastard, then what do you think of Job? (There's a whole book of the Bible about him. Here's the Cliff Notes version.)
One day, Satan chats up God and God mentions that He's been wandering the earth, watching His favoritest servant, Job. Job's a very good follower. Satan says, "Well, he's only such a good follower because he has everything he could want! Many cattle, fine house, hot women, handsome sons . . . I bet if I take those away, he won't love you so much."
God thinks about this and says, "I'll take your bet, you're gonna regret, cuz Job's the best servant there's ever been."
So, Satan kills off Job's cattle, and hot wives, and handsome sons, and burns down his house, and so on. Job's now a pauper and alone, but still praising God.
God says, "See, Satan? He still loves me. Gimme that fiver you owe me."
"But God," Satan replies, "I'll go double-or-nothing that if you let me torture him, he'll turn from you."
God, seeing a chance to show Satan wrong a second time in short order, says, "Well, as long as you don't kill him, go do whatever else you want."
So, Satan goes and tortures Job with sores and boils and urinary tract infections and constipation and forces him to listen to American Idol rejects.
Still, Job praises God.
God says, "See, Satan! I won your bet again!"
Then God gave Job some penicillin, and some new wives and cows and such.
As you can see from this story, God loves His followers enough to use them in bets with Satan. If that's not FAIR, I don't know what is!!Leave a comment:
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Re: Retards, will they go to heaven?
You are right, I did not see the difference between perfection and sinlessness. I understand your point now, which brings me to another point. If you sin, then you are not a True Christian, which means you go to Hell. In other words "One Sin, You go to Hell", is this right??
One unforgiven sin and you go to Hell. You can ask Jesus to wash you free of sin at any time.
If its right, then your God Has no mercy at ALL.
If its wrong, then you are wrong and True Christians do sin.
You have constructed a false dichotomy there. God hates false dichotomies. He sends sinners to Hell, but He is also a merciful God who allows sinners to become sin-free True Christians.
I'll wait for a response about God being fair about sending bastards to Hell.
Quoting from my previous post:
Hypothetically, someone rapes a True Christian mother. Then the baby goes to Hell. Is this fair??
You said God loves his followers, but why wouldn't He allow this baby to be one of His followers and reward him at the end with Heaven?? Its not the baby's fault, nor the mother's. Its the criminal's fault and God's for allowing such an action to a True Christian mother.
Another example: A baby is born in China. Since Jesus isn't very big in China, he never hears about the gospel of Jesus Christ, but only what the locals consider to be right and moral. He spends his entire life trying to be the best, most morally upstanding little yellow Chinaman he can be. Then he dies and goes straight to Hell for not accepting Jesus. Is that his fault? Is that fair?
You said: the sins of the parents fall on the shoulders of their offspring. What sin did this True Christian woman commit if she was raped?? I understand the law about correcting your mistake and marrying the woman. BUT what if the woman who was raped is married??
This could happen to any True Christian woman.
This law seems to be unfair at all, here is why I believe that:
1 - The baby did not play any role in the crime, and he is sentenced to Hell no matter what.
2 - The mother might not play any role in the crime too.
3 - In an attempt to make this fair, a solution was offered in the bible, which is getting married. However, this is not a 100% solution since the woman might be already married. Even if she is a widow or divorced, she cannot be remarried again.
4 - If I remember correctly, True Christian women are only allowed to marry True Christian men. So, if she was raped by an atheist or a protestant, will the church allow her to get married and fix the mistake that she didn't play any role in?? Probably the church would dismiss her from church if she decided to do that. So, the woman and her son are doomed no matter what they do!!
5 - If she was raped by a True Christian man, oh wait, that doesn't make any sense since a True Christian man wouldn't break such a commandment in the bible. As you said, and I quote: "Delibertly breaking God's commandments will earn you a fast way to hell."
I don't know if the church will allow the True Christian woman, assuming she was single, to marry this person who already earned his ticket to Hell.
In conclusion, this is unfair. I don't see how you can say "God truly loves his followers very much" in this case.
If I am wrong, please correct me.
Yes, this situation, and the one I outlined above, may seem unfair to the untrained eye. That is why we are mere mortals, and God is not. Have you ever made a decision about a question of morality or fairness and then turned out to be wrong, or realised that the matter is more complicated than you thought? Me too. God hasn't, though. So if a fallible human who makes mistakes and God disagree, who do you think is wrong?Leave a comment:
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Re: Retards, will they go to heaven?
And exactly where in the Bible does God imply that He is "fair" by your standards?Originally posted by shert View Post
Consider yourself corrected. You don't understand the Holy Bible for a reason.
John 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 8:45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.Leave a comment:
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