[Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson]

Re: Godly Parents Suffering Persecution for Child Discipline!

First, phrases like "liberal mumbo jumbo" are useless in an intelligent argument. What does "liberal mumbo jumbo" mean? It means that you do not have a logically sound argument, so you have to find something to use in place of one.
My view on discipline is unrelated to my political stance.

Of course it is, hippie.

The bible presents a lot of interesting ideas that I can't understand.

Deuteronomy 25:11-12
If two men, a man and his countryman, are struggling together, and the wife of one comes near to deliver her husband from the hand of the one who is striking him, and puts out her hand and seizes his genitals, then you shall cut off her hand; you shall not show pity.

I fail to see the problem. Who among us hasn't been in a fight where some uppity woman tries to step in. The guy can't hit her for crushing his manhood and therefore robbing him of children. He is on the ground crying like a baby because the woman cheated and stepped into a fight.

She is clearly deserving the punishment God lays out for her.

Deuteronomy 23:1
No one whose testicles are crushed or whose male organ is cut off shall enter the assembly of the Lord.

This is clearly why the woman deserves death. She crushed his manhood and therefore has robbed him of Salvation under the law.

Genesis 38:8-10
Then Judah said to Onan, “Go in to your brother’s wife, and perform your duty as a brother-in-law to her, and raise up offspring for your brother.” Onan knew that the offspring would not be his; so when he went in to his brother’s wife, he wasted his seed on the ground in order not to give offspring to his brother. But what he did was displeasing in the sight of the LORD; so He took his life also.

If you would read around instead of posting some atheist apologetic, you would know that we acknowledge all these things and are in awe of our God's mighty power to hate the nut crushed.

[Lizreu]

Re: Godly Parents Suffering Persecution for Child Discipline!

I understand that the rod is mentioned in Proverbs: spare the rod and spoil the child.
But isn't the rod referenced in the bible used by a shepherd, not to beat his precious sheep, but to guide them and beat off predators? "Your rod and your staff, they comfort me" Children do need discipline, but I do not think the phrase in proverbs implies you should hit your children, but rather you should guide them and protect them and help them learn.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Godly Parents Suffering Persecution for Child Discipline!

I understand that the rod is mentioned in Proverbs: spare the rod and spoil the child. But isn't the rod referenced in the bible used by a shepherd, not to beat his precious sheep, but to guide them and beat off predators? "Your rod and your staff, they comfort me" Children do need discipline, but I do not think the phrase in proverbs implies you should hit your children, but rather you should guide them and protect them and help them learn.

There is something seriously wrong with your reading skills.

Proverbs 23:13-14 "Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die. Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell."

Not only is it 100% clear here that you should beat your child with the rod. It also makes very clear that if you don't beat your child with a rod he will burn in Hell!

Case closed, God wins.

[Lizreu]

Re: Godly Parents Suffering Persecution for Child Discipline!

And what is that?

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Godly Parents Suffering Persecution for Child Discipline!

And what is that?

There really is something wrong with your reading skills. Just read my post until you get it please.

[Lizreu]

Re: Godly Parents Suffering Persecution for Child Discipline!

"or if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die"
I believe this entire thread was started in defense of two parents who KILLED their children.
I know you guys are going to block me for being reasonable and logical. I don't mind, because I know my children will be well-adjusted and SAFE, everyday my children are safe, while yours are beaten, abused, sexually assaulted, etc, etc. The thought of a child being abused like this makes me cry.
All I can do is pray for you and yours and spread awareness. Many people don't realize that there are still whack-jobs like yourself out there. Before coming to this site, I myself had no idea that there were this many of you. Like I said before, thinking of this many children being hurt "in God's name" hurts me so badly.
Where are you guys located? Is this forum composed of members of your belief system all over the country, or do you guys belong to a specific church, in a specific town?

[LotsOfLove]

Re: Godly Parents Suffering Persecution for Child Discipline!

Dear Brothers and Sisters,

We all know from God's word that we as Christians are commanded to discipline our children, as it says in Proverbs 22:15:

"Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him." (Prov. 22:15, KJV).

The Bible also clearly states that disobedient children who fail to mend their ways should be put to death (Deut. 21:18-21, KJV).

Imagine my Godly indignation, brothers and sisters, when I learned that two brave saints of the Kingdom of God are now facing criminal charges in Godforsaken California for following God's explicit instructions!

From http://www.paradisepost.com/news/ci_14427370 we learn that:


These Godly saints are now on $2 million bail and could face life imprisonment if convicted! Brothers and Sisters, I know we'll all be praying for God's will to be done, but this just goes to show what a nation comes to when it rejects its biblical, Godly, True Christian roots.

I belive child abusers should be locked away forever. `Good perents` do not beat thair children. `A lesson they shall not forget` is not beating them till near death. I think the power happy evil souls should rot in jail untill the jail rots on top of them, and moved to another jail untill that one rots, leaving meaningless dust of thair body that discusts me. If you, actually read the bible, where, my friend, does it DIRECTLY say, that you should beat your children till near death? I know someone who went through that, and she is scarred and left weack. Whatt would YOU do? if that was YOU? no. no, no no. Do not tell me that the bible says this, the bible says that. Tell me. What? I have read somthing on this website that a man, beat his child from newborn. What did the child do exept want love? Think. What did you feel like when you were a child?

[Pure_Angel]

Re: Godly Parents Suffering Persecution for Child Discipline!

I belive child abusers should be locked away forever. `Good perents` do not beat thair children. `A lesson they shall not forget` is not beating them till near death. I think the power happy evil souls should rot in jail untill the jail rots on top of them, and moved to another jail untill that one rots, leaving meaningless dust of thair body that discusts me. If you, actually read the bible, where, my friend, does it DIRECTLY say, that you should beat your children till near death? I know someone who went through that, and she is scarred and left weack. Whatt would YOU do? if that was YOU? no. no, no no. Do not tell me that the bible says this, the bible says that. Tell me. What? I have read somthing on this website that a man, beat his child from newborn. What did the child do exept want love? Think. What did you feel like when you were a child?

Cranky Old man says that one should beat your child 5 months before it's born. Praise Jesus for his wisdom, I wish my father would have done the same, then I might would have been a better person...
And here is the two most important verses that supports him!

Proverbs 23:13
Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die.

Proverbs 23:14
Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell.

So if you beat your son, he will be Saved! I was beaten when I was I child, and so was my brothers and sisters. And lots of children. Did children missbehave during the Dark Ages - no because they were beaten. Did those children go to Heaven - probably! (if they were True Christians)

Also, you should introduce yourself at the introduction forum before you start talking about childrearing.

YIC
Elisabeth

[LotsOfLove]

Re: Godly Parents Suffering Persecution for Child Discipline!

What is the point? I just hope your children find strength. Man was not put on earth to hurt another, the sheer meaning of out existance is to reproduce, then die, then go to heaven or hell. And the way it stands, theyre going to hell, since the bible clearly states, THY SHALL NOT KILL!!

[Pure_Angel]

Re: Godly Parents Suffering Persecution for Child Discipline!

What is the point? I just hope your children find strength. Man was not put on earth to hurt another, the sheer meaning of out existance is to reproduce, then die, then go to heaven or hell. And the way it stands, theyre going to hell, since the bible clearly states, THY SHALL NOT KILL!!

Do you have any scripture on this?
I agree that one should make soldiers for God, but I don't think it's the meaning of our exsistance.
And who have ever said you should beat your children so that they die?

YIC
Elisabeth

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Godly Parents Suffering Persecution for Child Discipline!

I don't suppose it's worth repeating that the many thousands of children killed as a result of God's clear command were no more "murdered" than the deadly spider is "murdered" when you squash it with your foot!

Can these people even read?

I am more convinced that ever that the trash posters here just use some sort of voice-to-text software and don't bother with the
text-to-voice application which would enable them to become aware of what God actually says. He has told us about Hell and
told us about Salvation. They don't seem to have read any of it, and clearly cannot understand what is posted here! Isaiah 59:8

[LotsOfLove]

Re: Godly Parents Suffering Persecution for Child Discipline!

Do you have any scripture on this?
I agree that one should make soldiers for God, but I don't think it's the meaning of our exsistance.
And who have ever said you should beat your children so that they die?

YIC
Elisabeth

.....inhale deeply......

What do you propose our meaning of existance is then? To ruin gods green land with corporal towers and meaningless machines? Also, thankyou for agreeing with me by the way, that the first time someone has done that. I say what i feel is true, and that is what the lord made me like, so i hope you respect that i feel that child beating is wrong, and that i feel that it isnt ones duty to hurt another for god, because god will ither punish the child himself, or decide that the child is worthy of his kingdom when the child is dead [though he\she wont be a child then, hopefully] but do you not see what i mean?

[Pure_Angel]

Re: Godly Parents Suffering Persecution for Child Discipline!

.....inhale deeply......

What do you propose our meaning of existance is then? To ruin Gods green land with corporal towers and meaningless machines? Also, thankyou for agreeing with me by the way, that the first time someone has done that. I say what i feel is true, and that is what the Lord made me like, so i hope you respect that i feel that child beating is wrong, and that i feel that it isnt ones duty to hurt another for God, because God will ither punish the child himself, or decide that the child is worthy of his kingdom when the child is dead [though he\she wont be a child then, hopefully] but do you not see what i mean?

Only God knows the meaning of our existance.
I had to agree with you, it's says in 1 Timothy 2:15, that a woman can only go to Heaven if she bears a child!
Well ofcourse you think what you say is right, as you have not let Jesus into your life yet! And it's always ones duty to do what God tell you too. And ofcourse it's only God who can tell if one goes to Heaven or not, but children who aren't True Christian can't go to Heaven.

Thank you for your friendrequest, I hope that I can help you on your wat towards becoming a True Christian!

Yours in Christ
Elisabeth

[LotsOfLove]

Re: Godly Parents Suffering Persecution for Child Discipline!

Only God knows the meaning of our existance.
I had to agree with you, it's says in 1 Timothy 2:15, that a woman can only go to Heaven if she bears a child!
Well ofcourse you think what you say is right, as you have not let Jesus into your life yet! And it's always ones duty to do what God tell you too. And ofcourse it's only God who can tell if one goes to Heaven or not, but children who aren't True Christian can't go to Heaven.

Thank you for your friendrequest, I hope that I can help you on your wat towards becoming a True Christian!

Yours in Christ
Elisabeth

Hi,

Yes, i would like help being more holy. I would hate thought of betraying jesus, sine he died for our sins. I am growing up in a family that is not religious. My mother nor my step dad has everr taken me to one sunday service. I intend to ask, or make own way to the local church. I shall also try to obtain a copy of the bible. I would also like to ask if some music, if any, is sinfull? I do not listen to rock, since i find the one time i did, the song meaningless noise that deafens you, and the talk of hell sickens me. Can you mail people on this site, if you can i shall tell you abit about myself and what i know about god, which is, as it stands, virtually nothing.

[Pure_Angel]

Re: Godly Parents Suffering Persecution for Child Discipline!

Hi,

Yes, i would like help being more holy. I would hate thought of betraying jesus, sine he died for our sins. I am growing up in a family that is not religious. My mother nor my step dad has everr taken me to one sunday service. I intend to ask, or make own way to the local church. I shall also try to obtain a copy of the bible. I would also like to ask if some music, if any, is sinfull? I do not listen to rock, since i find the one time i did, the song meaningless noise that deafens you, and the talk of hell sickens me. Can you mail people on this site, if you can i shall tell you abit about myself and what i know about god, which is, as it stands, virtually nothing.

Hello,
it's good that you don't want to betray Jesus! I sugest that you go to your local baptist church, and get yourself a copy of the KJV1611 Bible.
There is alot of music that isn't good for you, there is a topic on here I belive. (http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=46542)

You can message people when you become a Forum Member, just praise Jesus and you will become one! If you can't wait, feel free to email me at no personal email addys. I am only a woman, and a young one, but I really want to help you become a True Christian!

Yours in Christ
Elisabeth