[Two-Dollar Bill]

Re: The Moomins – One step away from being Satan's concubine

The 13 does not represent any luck in a Christian context, and why were there original 13 colonies not 14 or 12? So does these mean that you are under pagan flag and you praise pagan gods? I do not see any crosses in your flag.

Well, if I had it my way I would never had included Rhode Island amongst the original 13. Then there would only have been 12. But, that's me.

I don't see anything pagan about the American flag, but agree that it lacks more overt Christian symbolism.

[FinnTrek]

Re: The Moomins – One step away from being Satan's concubine

So it has always been fallen cross in Finnish flag. You could have just said that right away.



What exatly are christians atheists? Neo-pagans? No wonder you want to defile the cross so.

Sorry correction: christian, atheists.

The original mythology for swedish flag let me assume that it was upwards:

Wiki:According to the mythology, the 12th century Swedish king Eric the Holy saw a golden cross in the sky as he landed in Finland during the First Swedish Crusade in 1157. Seeing this as a sign from God he adopted the golden cross against a blue background as his banner, though the golden cross was changed later to a yellow cross due to practicality.

[Alphonse Alban]

Re: The Moomins – One step away from being Satan's concubine

The 13 does not represent any luck in a Christian context, and why were there original 13 colonies not 14 or 12? So does these mean that you are under pagan flag and you praise pagan gods? I do not see any crosses in your flag.

In what Christian context 13 represents unlucky, or anything in that matter?
What exactly are the pagan symbols for pagan god in US flag?

[FinnTrek]

Re: The Moomins – One step away from being Satan's concubine

There are no pentagons on the US flag, assuming that this is what you are referring to. I think you may have meant pentagrams, and there are none of those either. They are simply 5 pointed stars, originally these were meant to indicate that the country was a new "Constellation".

In many cultures the number 13 is considered to be very lucky. In the case of the US it is just based on the number of original colonies.

Correction: It is called "The Thirty Years' War".

The 13 does not represent any luck in a Christian context, and why were there original 13 colonies not 14 or 12? So does these mean that you are under pagan flag and you praise pagan gods? I do not see any crosses in your flag.

[Alphonse Alban]

Re: The Moomins – One step away from being Satan's concubine

So it has always been fallen cross in Finnish flag. You could have just said that right away.

flags represent christianity to me and christians atheists and neo-pagans in Finland.

What exatly are christians atheists? Neo-pagans? No wonder you want to defile the cross so.

[FinnTrek]

Re: The Moomins – One step away from being Satan's concubine

Let's see what I asked.



Your answer was this



Am I supposed to believe that Finnish flag was used as standard in medieval times, and you were there to see it?

Funny how you used the term fancy imagination.

Finland did not exist in the medieval times, only Sweden and Danmark

The point is that Finnish and Scandinavian flags represent christianity to me and christians atheists and neo-pagans in Finland. The finnish flag colours and cross are also linked to St. Georges flag, so there at least two pro Christanity links and common feeling to everyone that it is linked to the Christianity whetever your religion is.

The Scandinavian flags are a problem in the Afganistan, because locals see them representing Christianity in a islamic country. So if it is giving some problems to you, it is only a local problem, not a worldwide view.

[Two-Dollar Bill]

Re: The Moomins – One step away from being Satan's concubine

BTW, there are Pentagons in your flag and 13 stripes, please explain.

Correction: it was the 30 year old war.

There are no pentagons on the US flag, assuming that this is what you are referring to. I think you may have meant pentagrams, and there are none of those either. They are simply 5 pointed stars, originally these were meant to indicate that the country was a new "Constellation".

In many cultures the number 13 is considered to be very lucky. In the case of the US it is just based on the number of original colonies.

Correction: It is called "The Thirty Years' War".

[Alphonse Alban]

Re: The Moomins – One step away from being Satan's concubine

Let's see what I asked.

How many times have you used these flags, or seen these flags used as standards?

Your answer was this

In the war times in the medieval times they were used as a standards, anyway the history which counts here, not the fancy imagination.

Am I supposed to believe that Finnish flag was used as standard in medieval times, and you were there to see it?

Funny how you used the term fancy imagination.

[FinnTrek]

Re: The Moomins – One step away from being Satan's concubine

How many times have you used these flags, or seen these flags used as standards? I have even may say that crosses are fallen, because in the flag cross is portrayed as sideways. Sideways = fallen.

YiC,

Aplhonse

In the war times in the medieval times they were used as a standards, anyway the history which counts here, not the fancy imagination.

BTW, there are Pentagons in your flag and 13 stripes, please explain.

Correction: it was the 30 year old war.

[Alphonse Alban]

Re: The Moomins – One step away from being Satan's concubine

If any fennos-Scandinavian flags are use upwards as a standard, the cross is upwards.
How in the name of the Christ you have even may say that they are fallen, when YOU REALLY DO NOT KNOW, YOU ARE LITERALLY JUDGING AND LYING.

How many times have you used these flags, or seen these flags used as standards? I have even may say that crosses are fallen, because in the flag cross is portrayed as sideways. Sideways = fallen.

YiC,

Aplhonse

[FinnTrek]

Re: The Moomins – One step away from being Satan's concubine

During my first years on earth, my father was in prison (for Jesus!), so my mother lived with his brother. My uncle is a ex-gay today, but back then he wasn't very sure of what to do. (since he had been living so sinful for such a long time)
Anyway, while mother was making breakfast he let us watch TV. And we saw The Moomins. (my older sister and I)
I remeber that there was alot of magic, they all lived in towers (reminds me of the tower of Babylon) and they had rings around their feets and hid in hats and...
I was really scared of them! Especially of theese:



I remeber these blobs moving around, chasing the father and son, so that they had to climb up in a tree or something, and it was really scary with thunder and...
Apperently those thing was worshipping the weather-gods or something.

Uh, I really don't like to think about it. It was only meant to scare children! I would like to ban this thing from showing on TV! The only things that should be allowed should be Bible Stories!

Yours in Christ
Elisabeth

They are Hattivatti, who are electrical creatures waiting for the lighting to charge them. No worshipping any gods.
They rock!

Yours in Christ and also in the Truth

[FinnTrek]

Re: The Moomins – One step away from being Satan's concubine

Then why do BOTH COUNTRIES show their disrespect for Jesus by putting a fallen cross on their flags?



Yours in Christ,

Z. Smyth

How the explain your ignorance and the lack of history and truth.

All Scandinavia cross style flags has an Christian origin, the first one was the Danish flag (the oldest state flag in the world) which was referring to the Johannites in the crusade times. The swedish and danish flags were also presenting protestantism in the 30 year old in the war times in the Germany, do not ask me what is the war I am referring to. Finnish flag is also a copy of the danish style.

If any fennos-Scandinavian flags are use upwards as a standard, the cross is upwards.
How in the name of the Christ you have even may say that they are fallen, when YOU REALLY DO NOT KNOW, YOU ARE LITERALLY JUDGING AND LYING.

Yours in Christ and also in the Truth!

[Pure_Angel]

Re: The Moomins – One step away from being Satan's concubine

During my first years on earth, my father was in prison (for Jesus!), so my mother lived with his brother. My uncle is a ex-gay today, but back then he wasn't very sure of what to do. (since he had been living so sinful for such a long time)
Anyway, while mother was making breakfast he let us watch TV. And we saw The Moomins. (my older sister and I)
I remeber that there was alot of magic, they all lived in towers (reminds me of the tower of Babylon) and they had rings around their feets and hid in hats and...
I was really scared of them! Especially of theese:



I remeber these blobs moving around, chasing the father and son, so that they had to climb up in a tree or something, and it was really scary with thunder and...
Apperently those thing was worshipping the weather-gods or something.

Uh, I really don't like to think about it. It was only meant to scare children! I would like to ban this thing from showing on TV! The only things that should be allowed should be Bible Stories!

Yours in Christ
Elisabeth

[Dharts]

Re: Ehm..

There, fixed that for you.

Haha, I was so excited I got a response, well, whatever. Thanks anyways I guess.

[John Creeser]

Re: Ehm..

Thank you guys, this forum has proved my point many times while arguing about the fact that world would be alot better with True Christianity

There, fixed that for you.