[SalvationSeeker]

Re: What exactly is wrong with Rock Music?

SalvationSeeker: Since you claimed that God does not love the world which is a direct contradiction of John 3:16: You have absolutely no credibility. Your understanding of the Bible is comparable to that of somebody who has actually never read it. You further proved this when you quoted this line:

You're really desperate for my attention aren't you?
Actually it's your interpretation of John 3:16 that's wrong, it contradicts many places, such as Psalm 5:5..
The foolish shall not stand in thy sight:
Thou HATEST all workers of iniquity.
Psalm 5:5

You should also read John 13:6 a bit closer:
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 3:16

"Whosoever believeth in Him" doesn't equal everyone as everyone doesn't believe in Jesus.
Neither have I ever claimed God does not love the world, because if He didn't, why would He try to save anyone?
What I'm saying is: He doesn't love EVERYTHING IN THE WORLD.

Jesus compares it all to a vineyard and a field, yet you would deny God His pruning?
No man would want a field full of thistle and thorns, so why would God want the world full of wicked people?


He answered and said unto them,
He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom;
But the tares are the children of the wicked one;
The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
Matthew 13:37-40

GOD LOVES HIS FIELD (THE WORLD) WHAT HE DOESN'T LOVE, HOWEVER, ARE THE TARES (SINNERS) POLLUTING IT. (Psalm 5:5)
So get this through your head: Sinners will never enter Heaven!
Jesus compares you to thistles, tares, thorns, and withered branches, and you're all going to get burnt up!
Yeah, He reaaally seems to love you, dont He?

And he began to speak unto them by parables.
A certain man planted a vineyard, and set an hedge about it, and digged a place for the winefat, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country. And at the season he sent to the husbandmen a servant, that he might receive from the husbandmen of the fruit of the vineyard.
And they caught him, and beat him, and sent him away empty.
And again he sent unto them another servant; and at him they cast stones, and wounded him in the head, and sent him away shamefully handled.
And again he sent another; and him they killed, and many others; beating some, and killing some.
Having yet therefore one son, his wellbeloved, he sent him also last unto them, saying, They will reverence my son.
But those husbandmen said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and the inheritance shall be ours.'
And they took him, and killed him, and cast him out of the vineyard.
What shall therefore the lord of the vineyard do?
He will come and destroy the husbandmen, and will give the vineyard unto others.
Mark 12:1-9

I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away:
And every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit:
For without me ye can do nothing. If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered;
And men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
John 15:1-6

So I wouldn't talk much about credibility if I were you.
You haven't shown yourself to be very credible..
Tell me, do YOU love the world then?

In your own quote it says that you should not hate your brother or wish any sin upon your Neighbour. In other words: Wish no harm upon your neighbour. In other words; You were spectacularly wrong.

Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart:
Thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
Leviticus 19:17

So what then would THOU SHALT IN ANY WISE (WAYS!) REBUKE THY NEIGHBOUR mean..
You throw this part out of the sentence and then twist what remains!
However, your grasp of the english language is laughable, and it is painfully obvious that it isn't your first language.
So your attempt at twisting the Word of God fails miserably.

"Not suffer sin upon him" doesn't mean wishing harm or sin upon someone:
It means that you shall not allow him to sin! (That's why we are to REBUKE HIM, duh!)
But don't take my word for it, let's look in the dictionary!

1 a : to submit to or be forced to endure <suffer martyrdom> b : to feel keenly : labor under <suffer thirst>
2 : UNDERGO, EXPERIENCE
3 : to put up with especially as inevitable or unavoidable
4 : to allow especially by reason of indifference <the eagle suffers little birds to sing -- Shakespeare>
intransitive verb
1 : to endure death, pain, or distress
2 : to sustain loss or damage
3 : to be subject to disability or handicap
synonym see BEAR
- suf·fer·able /'s&-f(&-)r&-b&l/ adjective
- suf·fer·able·ness noun
- suf·fer·ably /-blE/ adverb
- suf·fer·er /'s&-f&r-&r/ noun

http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/suffer

Though I cannot see that suffer could mean "wishing harm upon" anywhere.. Can you?

Anyone who actually knows how to speak english could vouch that this is right and that you are.. How was it that you put it?
SPECTACULARY WRONG.


You rode the shortbus to school, didn't you?

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: What exactly is wrong with Rock Music?

So what you're saying is that Neighbour is a metaphor for anybody we know?

In other words: It is not literal. Thus: You cannot take EVERY WORD of the Bible literally.

However you're quite right. God says your neighbour is anybody involved in your life. If you loved everybody involved in your life: You would not hurt them. If they loved everybody in their life, be them black, gay, straight, bi, tall, short, asian, skinny, smart, dumb, smelly, or insanely attractive: Then nobody would end up hurting anybody would they?

Unless you're a wife-beater.

Friend,

You are falling into the basic trap that all false Christians do; you take only parts of the Bible. God tells us to love our neighbors but to not associate with the unsaved. Therefore no TRUE Christian has a unsaved neighbor so he need not love the unsaved.There certainly are no unsaved in Freehold, Iowa, we would never allow it.

You act like wife beating is something agianst God friend.

[OnYourKnees]

Re: What exactly is wrong with Rock Music?

Friend,

You are falling into the basic trap that all false Christians do; you take only parts of the Bible. God tells us to love our neighbors but to not associate with the unsaved. Therefore no TRUE Christian has a unsaved neighbor so he need not love the unsaved.There certainly are no unsaved in Freehold, Iowa, we would never allow it.

You act like wife beating is something agianst God friend.

Wrong Again Floyd also can't figure out the difference between "metaphor" and "definition".

With such a tenuous grasp of basic linguistics, it's no wonder that he trips all over big words and the not-so-big ideas of the Bible.

[WilliamJenningsBryan]

Re: What exactly is wrong with Rock Music?

Heavy Metal has nothing to do with Fuzz Boxes. No Metal band around would use a Fuzz Box. Heavy Metal uses Overdrive or Distortion. Overdrive works by having a signal stronger than the Amp's tubes\electronics can handle...

Wrong again, Floyd.

Introductory Electrical Engineering 101 for Floyd:

Amplifiers are generally characterized by their transfer function: y(t) = F(x(t)). The plotting of an individual amplifier curve reveals that it is linear only in a fixed portion of the transfer function. Any "overdriving" will result in driving the output to the non-linear regions of the curve. The only difference between solid state devices and vacuum tubes is that transistors have a much sharper cutoff point of saturation (full clipping). In any case, it results in harmonic and inter-modulation distortion. A similar effect happens when you go beyond the sample size in digital signal processing, but with an absolute cutoff point based on the number of bits.

The "Fuzz Box" is no longer used as instrument amplifier manufacturers have actively incorporated those features in their designs for many years (eg. Marshall). Perhaps you would care to re-read my original post in light of this.

Heavy Metal is all image, it's all an act. It's no more real than Pro-Wrestling.

Hello Floyd, anybody home? I am not the one that came on this Godly Forum and had the temerity to advance the notion that "Metal" was "music".

Dont go into Metal. Let's just deal with rock for now mkay? Two entirely different genres.

Rock and Roll ("Rocking") is a double entendre for the sex act ("Good Rocking Tonight" - Roy Brown). Rock, along with the introduction of the birth control pill in 1960 ("The Pill"), were factors in touching off the world wide sexual revolution in that period. Everyone knows this except, apparently, you. Jesus has generally not been too pleased with these developments.

How so? What exactly makes these loud driving Rythyms obliterate consciousness and suspend moral judgement? How could you criticise Rock music for doing that when your own church worship songs create a similar effect to those in your churches. Holy Ghost? Nope. Sorry. If I tool a song like "Shout To The Lord" and got people to sing it acapella with a swelling orchestra behind it that slowly got louder and louder: It'd have a very similar effect. No lyrics involved at all.

First, I seriously doubt that anything that you "tooled" would have any effect on me. Secondly, A cappella (not "acapella") is singing without instrumental accompaniment. Third, I never said anything about lyrics. But I do not desire to digress further.

Read again what you just wrote, you are basically ceding my point. There is a suspension or altered state of consciousness involved. Now you should follow through with this line of thought and compare and contrast all the art forms that man has devised, painting, sculpture, drama, poetry, architecture, dance, and music and what gave rise to them.

[Child Byar]

Re: What exactly is wrong with Rock Music?

Nonsensical babbling about rock music from a liebral Media Studies homer.

If you actually play a musical instrument, surely you know of the diabolus en musica? Even the Cathylickers recognized that musical intervals are based upon the physics of vibrations; and that the interval of SIX semi-tones has the power to summon the devil or, when used sparingly, Daemonic thoughts.

If you are truly ignorant of this once-banned, but now common device, I refer you to the page of a heathen magickalist that can explain it in full - http://thelemicmusick.net/davidcherubim/tritone.htm

Suffice it to say, that in God's great America, the Devil in Music was rarely heard during the 1700 and 1800s except in slave shacks and bayous. But in the last century, the Negroids corrupted our country (and later the world) with Blues, Jazz, Rhythm, and finally Rock music - all of which PROMINENTLY feature this interval. I can assure you, Robert Johnson used the tritone to prove he had met Satan on the crossroads; and Black Sabbath made their first musical statement/summoning ever on their title song with the SAME SOUND.

That, my hellbound friend, is EXACTLY what is wrong with Rock music. Once the invitation to the devil was sounded, all else followed. Fornicating, groupies, drugs, abuse, addiction, long hair, liebral brainwashing, blaspheming, bat-and-dove-head-biting, crossdressing, gender-bending, gender-switching, crowd-surfing, stage-diving, rioting, roofies, rape, parental disrespect and disobedience, the increased proclivity of cussing, gang violence, cop killing, screwing, blueing, and tattoing are ALL examples of symptoms that became prominent in the last 100 years due to Rock Music. That's not to mention those rock bands that hate Jesus so much that they actively turn their bands into ministries for Satan, such as Deicide (whose lead belcher actually carved an upside-down cross into his forehead).

Back in the '80s, a lead guitarist such as yourself wouldn't have been laboring under so many misapprehensions due to documentaries such as "The Decline of Western Civilization I and II". Musicians knew they were on the frontlines of a cultural war, and they took their stand. Now, however, it becomes apparent that there are too many young musicians who are unwitting dupes of political correctness and Satanic memes. Thus you are unaware of even the thing you study most.