[AtheistDemonBuffoon]

Re: Why atheism is wrong - the shocking and unbiased truth

Conservepedia is not a solid source; it's incredibly biased.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Why atheism is wrong - the shocking and unbiased truth

Conservepedia is not a solid source; it's incredibly biased.

Living in a world where everything has to be distorted so as to fit the inane theories such as TheWorldIsBillionsOfYearsOld or EveryoneIsRelatedToSlugs (which are the foundation of all atheism) produces joke-mirror-brain-syndrome.


Living in such a world must be absolutely horrible but that is what the secularist chooses to do, the only choice I suppose when one is committed to sinning, living a life they know is wrong but determined to disobey God and distort The Truth in much the same way that wobbly mirrors distort your reflection. Then one day, some undistorted information turns up and they don't recognise it.

By straining their brains to process squares as triangles and melting clocks as round, to see the disgusting sin of their "friends" as "individuality" to be worshipped and adored, these wretches encounter any unbiased source through their compromised apparatus as "false" and "misleading" could it be otherwise no of course it couldn't atheists are Distortion Central everything they do or see or say or think is warped and vile.

That is how we know atheists are always wrong.

And that is why God hates them.

[Fredrickscott]

Re: Why atheism is wrong - the shocking and unbiased truth

I found a great article online, and in case you don't feel like reading it all (it's quite long), I'll summarize it here for you:

http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism

-All atheists believe in evolution, which means they don't believe in morality and think we should all act like animals.

-Atheists try to shift the burden of proof unfairly upon theists (ie, atheists make the wild and unprovable claim that God does not exist, and then unfairly expect us Christians to prove that He DOES exist)

-The Bible says atheism is wrong, and the Bible is always right (see: Genesis 1:1, Psalms 14:1, Psalms 19:1, Romans 1:19-20)

-Some famous atheists have shown they occasionally have doubts about their disbelief, which proves that all atheists really do believe in God. Of course, no Christian has ever doubted the existence of God.

-Everybody who has ever been in the army will tell you that there are no atheists in foxholes. That is, once they are in danger of death, the atheist will strip himself of his irrational disbelief in God, and come to admit he believed in God all along. Only liberal slimebags like MSNBC report otherwise.

-Communism, which is inherently evil, is founded by atheism, and all atheists are probably secret communists.

-Because we can think of the existence of God, God must obviously exists, and therefore atheists are illogical.

-Everything in the universe shows obvious and undeniable signs that it was created by a mind far superior to our own.

-a lot of mass murderers were atheists, and all atheists, having no morality to guide them, are only a bad day away from going on a genocide spree. There have no exactly zero cases on Christian mass murderers throughout all of history.

-no atheists contribute to charitable causes, and all Christians do. This is because of atheist's beliefs in Darwinism.

-I quote: "The Barna Group found regarding atheism and morality that those who hold to the worldviews of atheism or agnosticism in America were more likely, than theists in America, to look upon the following behaviors as morally acceptable: illegal drug use; excessive drinking; sexual relationships outside of marriage; abortion; cohabitating with someone of opposite sex outside of marriage; obscene language; gambling; pornography and obscene sexual behavior; and engaging in homosexuality/bisexuality" Despicable.

-I quote: "
Atheism The belief that there was nothing and nothing happened to nothing and then nothing magically exploded for no reason creating everything and then a bunch of everything magically rearranged itself for no reason what so ever into self-replicating bits which then turned into dinosaurs."


-atheists don't believe in miracles, although many Christian philosophers disagree.


-atheism cannot explain the origins of the universe, therefore God exists.


-Atheists have more mental and physical health problems than Christians. This is attributed to theists having something more to life for. Therefore, God exists.



-Friedrich Nietzsche went crazy and was an atheist, therefore atheism drove him insane (although there is an ongoing debate on the matter...)


-Countries with large numbers of atheists have higher suicide rates, therefore atheism makes you want to kill yourself. Of course they would take the easy way out, not realizing like normal people that God sends suicide cases to hell. Also, developed nations also tend to have higher rates of both atheism and suicide, so we must conclude that technology and wealth are evil.


-Sigmund Freud said religious belief was unhealthy, but many doctors think Freud is wrong, therefore atheism is evil.


-many famous atheists tell lies, therefore atheists are deceptive.



-Fewer people believe now as opposed to x number of years ago (usually around twenty) in evolution, therefore evolutionary theory is wrong and by proxy atheism is wrong, since it's the same thing.


-Non-Christians are more likely to believe in silly superstitions, like palm reading and astronomy (note: Non-Christian = atheist). Christians believe only in the cold, hard logical of the world around them.


-Some theologians say atheist is on the decline, therefore it is. However, this is no reason to lose caution of the atheist threat!



-There are a number of anti-atheist blogs (isn't that good to know? )


-there is a pro-atheist bias in the liberal controlled media, but as we know from stated above that atheism is on the decline, this hardly matters.


-Causes of atheism (I quote): moral depravity, rebellion, superficiality, error, state churches, poor relationship with father, division in religion, learned times, peace, and prosperity, negative experiences with theists, scientism.



-atheists question why evil exists since God is good, but don't ask why good exists if God isn't real.


-early scientists were Christian, therefore Christianity owns a monopoly on science and atheists are not allowed to say there is discrepancy between the beliefs in the two.


-Sir Francis Bacon said he'd rather belief in any silly old legend then believe that God doesn't exist


-Some Christian apologists have problems with the beliefs of Bertrand Russell



-Creation scientists tend to win creation-evolution debates


-Notable atheists have converted to Christianity. The reverse never happens.




A poll found these results =

Position: This group does not at all agree with
my vision of American society: I would disapprove if my child wanted
to marry a member of this group: Atheist 39.6% 47.6%

Therefore, the majority of normal people clearly know atheism is evil.

-atheists criticism of the Bible can't be trusted because, I quote: "a thorough understanding of the Bible -- and this would actually apply to any complex work from any culture -- requires specialized knowledge, and a broad range of specialized knowledge in a variety of fields.... Not even most scholars in the field can master every aspect"

Of course, I quote: The Bible is still loved by millions, read by millions, and studied by millions.

-atheists make bad arguments on the internet, says Christian apologist.

-atheists try to convert young people to atheism over the internet. Christians, of course, never stoop to such behavior.

-Nearly a quarter or a third of philosophy professors are theists, therefore, I quote: "God is not 'dead' in academia; he returned to life in the 1960's and is now alive and well in his last academic stronghold, philosophy departments."

-atheists do not really exist, they just pretend that they don't believe in God.

-atheism brought upon the French Revolution, one of the most evil events of all of history.

-atheists make up a small percentage of the world population, therefore it is wrong.

-a lot of famous people said bad stuff about atheists

****You must realize that most of what you said is simply NOT true and is on the side of hateful.

If you want to be taken seriously, you should cite your references for such claims. This strengthens your arguments!

[Fredrickscott]

Re: Why atheism is wrong - the shocking and unbiased truth

Living in a world where everything has to be distorted so as to fit the inane theories such as TheWorldIsBillionsOfYearsOld or EveryoneIsRelatedToSlugs (which are the foundation of all atheism) produces joke-mirror-brain-syndrome.


Living in such a world must be absolutely horrible but that is what the secularist chooses to do, the only choice I suppose when one is committed to sinning, living a life they know is wrong but determined to disobey God and distort The Truth in much the same way that wobbly mirrors distort your reflection. Then one day, some undistorted information turns up and they don't recognise it.

By straining their brains to process squares as triangles and melting clocks as round, to see the disgusting sin of their "friends" as "individuality" to be worshipped and adored, these wretches encounter any unbiased source through their compromised apparatus as "false" and "misleading" could it be otherwise no of course it couldn't atheists are Distortion Central everything they do or see or say or think is warped and vile.

That is how we know atheists are always wrong.

And that is why God hates them.

****Question - since when does God "hate"? And my other question refers to this statement "The Bible says atheism is wrong, and the Bible is always right." If the bible is always right, then we should kill anyone in our midst who speaks a word against the lord God. We are instructed to do so in the OT (Deutoronmy 17).

Deuteronomy 17

If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant; 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; 17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel; 17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.

How many of us are obeying that command?

We are also instructed to kill those who go against the word of a judge or priest:

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

We are also instructed to kill those who wear wool and cotton together, who touch pigskin, homosexuals, and more.

Thoughts? It is my understanding that Jesus came in love - that he came to teach people to love each other - EVERYONE EQUALLY. If you have hate in your heart for anyone - an atheist, a homosexual, a person of another religion, etc., the devil has gotten to you. If you use the bible as a resource for hate and ill will against anyone, you've been had by . Think about it bothers and sisters.

[Pim Pendergast]

Re: Why atheism is wrong - the shocking and unbiased truth

If you want to be taken seriously, you should cite your references for such claims. This strengthens your arguments!

There was a link to Conservapedia in the OP.

****Question - since when does God "hate"?

Since always. Here are some examples from Scripture.

"And ye shall not walk in the manners of the nation, which I cast out before you:
for they committed all these things, and therefore I abhorred them."
Leviticus 20:23

"And I will destroy your high places, and cut down your images,
and cast your carcases upon the carcases of your idols,
and my soul shall abhor you."
Leviticus 26:30

"And when the LORD saw it, he abhorred them,
because of the provoking of his sons, and of his daughters."
Deuteronomy 32:19

"The foolish shall not stand in thy sight:
thou hatest all workers of iniquity."
Psalm 5:5

"Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing:
the LORD will abhor the bloody and deceitful man."
Psalm 5:6

"For the wicked boasteth of his heart's desire, and blesseth the covetous,
whom the LORD abhorreth."
Psalm 10:3

"The LORD trieth the righteous:
but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth."
Psalm 11:5

"There were they in great fear, where no fear was:
for God hath scattered the bones of him that encampeth against thee:
thou hast put them to shame,
because God hath despised them."
Psalm 53:5

"When God heard this, he was wroth,
and greatly abhorred Israel:"
Psalm 78:59

"Therefore was the wrath of the LORD kindled against his people,
insomuch that he abhorred his own inheritance."
Psalm 106:40

"These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren."
Proverbs 6:16-19

"The mouth of strange women is a deep pit:
he that is abhorred of the LORD shall fall therein."
Proverbs 22:14

"And he hath violently taken away his tabernacle, as if it were of a garden:
he hath destroyed his places of the assembly:
the LORD hath caused the solemn feasts and sabbaths to be forgotten in Zion,
and hath despised in the indignation of his anger the king and the priest."
Lamentations 2:6 -

"All their wickedness is in Gilgal: for there I hated them:
for the wickedness of their doings I will drive them out of mine house,
I will love them no more: all their princes are revolters."
Hosea 9:15

"Three shepherds also I cut off in one month;
and my soul lothed them, and their soul also abhorred me."
Zechariah 11:8

"And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness."
Malachi 1:3

"As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated."
Romans 9:13

And my other question refers to this statement "The Bible says atheism is wrong, and the Bible is always right." If the bible is always right, then we should kill anyone in our midst who speaks a word against the lord God. We are instructed to do so in the OT (Deutoronmy 17).

How many of us are obeying that command?

We are also instructed to kill those who go against the word of a judge or priest:

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

We are also instructed to kill those who wear wool and cotton together, who touch pigskin, homosexuals, and more.

Thoughts?

We follow the whole Bible. The reason we don't kill homosexuals or blasphemers is because in the New Testament, we are told to obey the laws of the land (Rom 13:1-7). If we went ahead and killed them, we wouldn't be following the whole Bible. But we view homosexuality as a sin and oppose "gay rights" and look forward to the day when sodomy will be criminalized again -- and the greatest day of all, when all homosexuals will be cast into the lake of fire.

It is my understanding that Jesus came in love - that he came to teach people to love each other - EVERYONE EQUALLY.

Jesus did not teach us to love everyone equally. See this sermon: Bible Answers: Who are our neighbors? Who are our brothers and sisters? Who are we to love? You also seem to be under a misapprehension of what love really is. See: True Christian(tm) Love.

Here are some things that Jesus said.

Mat 10:34-37
34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

Mat 21:44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder. (Jesus was speaking of Himself here.)

Lk 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

Lk 19:27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

If you have hate in your heart for anyone - an atheist, a homosexual, a person of another religion, etc., the devil has gotten to you. If you use the bible as a resource for hate and ill will against anyone, you've been had by . Think about it bothers and sisters.

You believe in the devil and you call us brothers and sisters. Why don't you start a thread in the introduction forum and tell us what church you go to, what your favorite Bible verse is and how you came to find Jesus?

[Fredrickscott]

Re: Why atheism is wrong - the shocking and unbiased truth

"The Bible was written in Greek and Hewbrew, doesn't that make God's favorite language one of those?"

Aramaic actually. A dead language. How favorite could it be?

[Fredrickscott]

Re: Why atheism is wrong - the shocking and unbiased truth

There was a link to Conservapedia in the OP.



Since always. Here are some examples from Scripture.





We follow the whole Bible. The reason we don't kill homosexuals or blasphemers is because in the New Testament, we are told to obey the laws of the land (Rom 13:1-7). If we went ahead and killed them, we wouldn't be following the whole Bible. But we view homosexuality as a sin and oppose "gay rights" and look forward to the day when sodomy will be criminalized again -- and the greatest day of all, when all homosexuals will be cast into the lake of fire.



Jesus did not teach us to love everyone equally. See this sermon: Bible Answers: Who are our neighbors? Who are our brothers and sisters? Who are we to love? You also seem to be under a misapprehension of what love really is. See: True Christian™ Love.

Here are some things that Jesus said.

Mat 10:34-37
34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

Mat 21:44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder. (Jesus was speaking of Himself here.)

Lk 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

Lk 19:27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.



You believe in the devil and you call us brothers and sisters. Why don't you start a thread in the introduction forum and tell us what church you go to, what your favorite Bible verse is and how you came to find Jesus?

You sound as if the devil has taken you over. Your words are hateful, violent and anti-Jesus. For shame. And if you follow such a hateful god, how does this make Christianity different from any other violent and hate filled religion like Islam?

Homosexuals are so through no choice of their own. Q: Did you CHOOSE to be heterosexual? I didn't. I just am.

Be carfeul of the demons - they often come in while cloaks and speak in ways that allow hate and rage to fill you in the name of God. Think about that the next time you utter words that would cause other human beings harm.

[Jack O'fagan]

Re: Why atheism is wrong - the shocking and unbiased truth

"The Bible was written in Greek and Hewbrew, doesn't that make God's favorite language one of those?"

Aramaic actually. A dead language. How favorite could it be?

Wrong. If you are wrong on this point then you must admit that you could equally be wrong about Jesus?

YIC

Jack

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Why atheism is wrong - the shocking and unbiased truth

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Be carfeul of the demons - they often come in while cloaks and speak in ways that allow hate and rage to fill you in the name of God. Think about that the next time you utter words that would cause other human beings harm.

Don't worry, we will not be listening to any demons in white cloaks. Additionally, I do search my heart to see whether there is any residual non-compliance with God's Perfect Will, respecting atheists or Zentards for instance, so that when He searches me he finds no such inappropriate associations. I do things His way because He made me and tells me what to do. Here is an encouraging Psalm.

Psalm 139
1-14 (To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David.) O LORD, thou hast searched me, and known me. Thou knowest my downsitting and mine uprising, thou understandest my thought afar off. Thou compassest my path and my lying down, and art acquainted with all my ways. For there is not a word in my tongue, but, lo, O LORD, thou knowest it altogether. Thou hast beset me behind and before, and laid thine hand upon me. Such knowledge is too wonderful for me; it is high, I cannot attain unto it. Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence? If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there. If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea; Even there shall thy hand lead me, and thy right hand shall hold me. If I say, Surely the darkness shall cover me; even the night shall be light about me. Yea, the darkness hideth not from thee; but the night shineth as the day: the darkness and the light are both alike to thee. For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb. I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.
15 My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.
16 Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them.
17-20 How precious also are thy thoughts unto me, O God! how great is the sum of them! If I should count them, they are more in number than the sand: when I awake, I am still with thee. Surely thou wilt slay the wicked, O God: depart from me therefore, ye bloody men. For they speak against thee wickedly, and thine enemies take thy name in vain.
21-22 Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee? I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies.
23-24 Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts: And see if there be any wicked way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting.
KJV

[Pim Pendergast]

Re: Why atheism is wrong - the shocking and unbiased truth

You sound as if the devil has taken you over. Your words are hateful, violent and anti-Jesus.

How has the devil taken me over? I wasn't speaking his words; I was speaking God's. I was quoting directly from the Bible. If you don't like what it says, take it up with God.

And if you follow such a hateful god, how does this make Christianity different from any other violent and hate filled religion like Islam?

Christianity is different because it's right. Islam is wrong.

Homosexuals are so through no choice of their own. Q: Did you CHOOSE to be heterosexual? I didn't. I just am.

Of course I didn't choose to be heterosexual. Heterosexuality is the default orientation. You have to choose to be something other than heterosexual.

Be carfeul of the demons - they often come in while cloaks and speak in ways that allow hate and rage to fill you in the name of God.

Where did you hear that?

[Fredrickscott]

Re: Why atheism is wrong - the shocking and unbiased truth

Wrong. If you are wrong on this point then you must admit that you could equally be wrong about Jesus?

Jack

One can be right about some things and wrong about other things. Most people are. Just because a doctor tells you walking is the best exercise (it's not) doesn't mean he doesn't know how aspirin works.

I don't pretend to be "right" about Jesus. Christians agree and disagree about many things that the bible says. Let's be honest about that.

The first translation of the bible was Greek. But the Dead Sea Scrolls were written in many languuages including Aramaic and an ancient form of Hebrew. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_sea_scrolls

[Pim Pendergast]

Re: Why atheism is wrong - the shocking and unbiased truth

One can be right about some things and wrong about other things. Most people are. Just because a doctor tells you walking is the best exercise (it's not) doesn't mean he doesn't know how aspirin works.

I don't pretend to be "right" about Jesus. Christians agree and disagree about many things that the bible says. Let's be honest about that.

But the Bible isn't open to interpretation.

2 Pet 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

You must be right about Jesus; otherwise you will be condemned.

Jn 3:18 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

[Fredrickscott]

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But the Bible isn't open to interpretation.

2 Pet 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

You must be right about Jesus; otherwise you will be condemned.

Jn 3:18 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

***Specifics of the Bible are discussed and re-interpeted all the time. Of course it's open to interpretation. It has to be. That's why we don't go around murdering everyone that isn't a believer even though the old testament essentially commands us to do so.

God said "Be fruitful and multiply." But did he mean to fornicate with every woman you meet? No. So you have to interpret it properly.

"The devil is cunning. He will come as your friend and speak as your God. Know him or lose thyself to him."

[Didymus Much]

Re: Why atheism is wrong - the shocking and unbiased truth

***Specifics of the Bible are discussed and re-interpeted all the time. Of course it's open to interpretation. It has to be. That's why we don't go around murdering everyone that isn't a believer even though the old testament essentially commands us to do so...

No, it's because God tells us to obey secular law (which forbids killing someone solely for their beliefs):

Hebrews 13:17 "Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you."

..."The devil is cunning. He will come as your friend and speak as your God. Know him or lose thyself to him."

How could that NOT be applied to YOU?

[Mary Etheldreda]

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I don't pretend to be "right" about Jesus.

It's because you don't know enough about Him to know what is right and what is wrong. There's a solution for that, dear.

Christians agree and disagree about many things that the bible says. Let's be honest about that.

That's not true at all. True Christians™ agree with other True Christians™ because we believe the Holy Bible means what It says, and says what Im means. Those who do not, those who pick and choose which interpretations best suit their personal agendas, are not truly believers - they trust their own intellect over the Word of God. You see, when one makes themselves the final arbiters of which parts of the Bible are to be interpreted literally, they elevate themselves above God. Essentially, they appoint themselves as "pope." Who is to say, then, that one person’s interpretation of Scripture is any more or less valid than another’s?

You need not imagine the kind of chaos. With more than 40,000 denominations all claiming Divine Authority, and all disagreeing with one another, surely you can't believe this was the intent of the LORD when giving man His Word. Such a reality would render the Scriptures null and void. That would just be silly, because that would mean our faith is in vain and we know that simply cannot be (1 Corinthians 15:14). No dear, True Christians™ never disagree with other True Christians™, because True Christians™ do not disagree with the Word of God.