[Brother Temperance]

Re: Greetings!

In answer to the unBrotherly Temperance;
I do not claim to have the gift of prophecy, however knowing much about it does not imply that I am all knowing in the subject nor does it imply that I will be correct in all postulations. Most "paper" theologians barely understand it at my level and even less CARE! I like most of you that are alive no barely have an original thought, I follow the works and effort of many people and learn from them and their mistakes. For it is wise to learn from my own mistakes and even wiser to learn from anothers.

So who would you consider a prophet, then? Aldous Huxley? John Hinckley?

Someone once said that, "We stand on the shoulders of giants." If you have wisdom then you can understand what this means.

And? Someone once said that "Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun", and if you have wisdom you can understand what that means as well. The important thing to remember here is that neither of these people are Jesus, and both of them are now burning in Hell. I'd advise you to spend a little less time gazing at the stars and a little more contemplating the fate of your own immortal soul.

I do not perform astral projection of any kind, and I do my own thinking as God very much prefers.

Friend, here is what God has to say on the subject of freethinking:

Genesis 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

He threatens people who try to gain more knowledge with death, and inflicts terrible punishments on them when they do eat of the tree of knowledge. That doesn't really sound like He wants people to think for themselves to me.

Deuteronomy 13:1 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,
2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;
3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
4 Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.
5 And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.

If a freethinker or one of your beloved prophets has an opinion which contradicts received moral orthodoxy, GOD wants them dead.

Matthew 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Insofar as Jesus can tolerate us thinking for ourselves, He wants us to become as little children. That means thoughts along the lines of "Look! Sky-plane" or "Doggy go woof!" or "I don't like the bad Cat-lick dress man. Why does the bad catlick dress man touch me there?", not "Hmmm. I wonder what the radioactive decay of carbon-14 can tell me about the age of this rock."

No matter what your life philosophy is, one thing is plain. Humans are the ones whom defile the philosophies. If you could completely obliterate Religion, suffering would not be slowed one iota. Blaming Religion for suffering is a common Intellectually corrupt bit of tripe offered up by liberal minded people.

Correct. It's nice to see that, while you're as addle-headed as a Unitarian who's been gobbling magic mushrooms, you do at least recognise that liberal-minded people are among the greatest threats America faces today. Religion is not the cause of suffering; GOD is the cause of suffering.

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

[Astral]

Re: Greetings!

He He...

God does not want ignorant followers, especially not blind ones. Christ said that if the blind lead the blind do they both not fall into the ditch? Faith at first will be a blind step but will be vindicated by Wisdom from God.

And to whomever said that we are to be like little children, does a child not have many questions? In every aspect the most learned and wise human is a child in God's sight. We can not even compare to His Knowledge and Wisdom. There is only one source of Wisdom and this is God. Ask and question things, there is only a warning against foolish questions. The philosophers are the ones asking the foolish questions. Questions such as, if a tree falls in the forest and no one hears does it make a sound? Well of course it makes a sound. Only foolish people have to think about it.

About God and Science. It is true they are not at odds with each other. Only some scientists are at odds with God. You all have seen enough science reports to know this.

Take everyones idea of creation for example. It is within the power of God to create earth in the span of 1 day = 1000 years and make it appear as though it has been around for eons beyond eons. This renders dating useless as God can make a natural reaction perform at any pace He chooses. Furthermore an accurate time table of all of earths history is not give in the Bible. Does anyone know how long Adam and Eve lived in the garden prior to expulsion? Give a source and a time frame.

The comment about standing on the shoulders of giants is with knowledge. I doubt you would have the capacity to develop a horse-less cart or a micro-chip. This is what it means to stand on the shoulders of giants. We use the technology and inventions they came up with. I guess many of you know very little as it would seem, and understand even less.

God is not the only cause of suffering, we have it within our own power to cause it as well.

[Brother Temperance]

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Faith at first will be a blind step but will be vindicated by Wisdom from God.

Yes, revealed wisdom from God, not from man. So how does this lead you to wrongly think that God wants us to think for ourselves?

God is not the only cause of suffering, we have it within our own power to cause it as well.

And do we have the power to cause things God does not want us to?

[Rachael Van Helsing]

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About God and Science. It is true they are not at odds with each other. Only some scientists are at odds with God. You all have seen enough science reports to know this.

The Earth = dated to be billions of years old. And ROUND.
The bible states the Earth to around 6000 years old and FLAT.There are quite a few human civilizations alone that are much older than that.
Not at odds? They are the epitome of 'at odds'.

Take everyones idea of creation for example. It is within the power of God to create earth in the span of 1 day = 1000 years and make it appear as though it has been around for eons beyond eons. This renders dating useless as God can make a natural reaction perform at any pace He chooses. Furthermore an accurate time table of all of earths history is not give in the Bible. Does anyone know how long Adam and Eve lived in the garden prior to expulsion? Give a source and a time frame.

The above reply of yours is another fine example of the following:

Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) - Cite This Source
wishful thinking –noun interpretation of facts, actions, words, etc., as one would like them to be rather than as they really are; imagining as actual what is not.

I'm sorry, but if you tried reaching any further, your arms would fall out of their sockets.
And I notice you cannot reply to the facts of the Inquisition, Ireland, and all the other religious atrocities.
It must be nice on 'planet Astral' (aka your mind), the pretty world of purple light where nothing bad ever happens and the clouds and sky and grass are made of cotton candy!

[Astral]

Re: Greetings!

Yes, revealed wisdom from God, not from man. So how does this lead you to wrongly think that God wants us to think for ourselves?

Please... you are just trolling. But for the sake of others whom are watching I will answer.

God values those whom SEEK Heaven, thats entails asking questions. You are just saying people should say "yay heaven exists" and believe it without thought.

A valuable servant of God will recognize God's Wisdom and Glory and will willingly submit themselves to God's will. Those whom blindly believe are not able to understand God's will because they never seek the Kingdom of Heaven.

And do we have the power to cause things God does not want us to?

So what you are saying is that you can not be judged. Because if you are evil, it is because God has made you so? What about all the choices that God gives you?

Why would God even bother sending Christ or the Prophets? They would change nothing... after all, just as you say, we do not have the power to do anything God does not want us to do. And neither would we have had the power to follow Christ lest God dictates so?

You are greatly inaccurate here. We can not be judged if our actions are controlled by God. Yes God does control our actions in certain circumstances, however that is an exception and not a general rule.

For those of you with the Holy Spirit should be far beyond these basic and petty understandings.

[Astral]

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The Earth = dated to be billions of years old. And ROUND.
The bible states the Earth to around 6000 years old and FLAT.There are quite a few human civilizations alone that are much older than that.
Not at odds? They are the epitome of 'at odds'.

You show yourself to be completely ignorant.

God made it all in 6 days and rested on the 7th. Thats 7000 years to begin with. The bible specifically equates each day like unto a thousand years.

further more we can track history back AT LEAST 2000 BC so that tacks on another 2k making it 9k. Now that it is generally agreed upon to be 2007 AD, we can add another 2k to the sum and make a grand total of 11k years of creation AT LEAST!

You were not even intelligent enough to be dignified with a response, yet I did so for the sake of others.

Further more you are being a troll. Only a complete God hating moron would say what you have just said!

I bet 1+1=3 for you.

The above reply of yours is another fine example of the following:

I'm sorry, but if you tried reaching any further, your arms would fall out of their sockets.
And I notice you cannot reply to the facts of the Inquisition, Ireland, and all the other religious atrocities.
It must be nice on 'planet Astral' (aka your mind), the pretty world of purple light where nothing bad ever happens and the clouds and sky and grass are made of cotton candy!

Please, your just too ignorant to understand anything. It's hardly my fault that your parents failed to educate you properly.

[Sista Lateefah]

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God made it all in 6 days and rested on the 7th. Thats 7000 years to begin with. The bible specifically equates each day like unto a thousand years.

Please quote the verse in the Bible (KJV1611) where it say this. I has read that book plenty of times and don't remember readin' nothin' like that up in there. Maybe you is readin' from that Godless NIV version that had been wrote by Satan?

Further more you are being a troll. Only a complete God hating moron would say what you have just said!

Rachael do be a God hatin' moron, but what she had said about the Bible had been accurate as far as I know. Do not try to discourage her when she say somethin' that be Biblically accurate. It might mean she be readin' her Bible, and if she doin' that, it might mean she gonna see the Truth and get Saved! Praise the LORD!

Please, your just too ignorant to understand anything. It's hardly my fault that your parents failed to educate you properly.

How is you gonna call her ignant when you gonna use "your" in place of "you're" (which mean "you are"). Oooolawd, I never claimed to be a grammaratition, but even I knows that much. See, the Lord just caused to to make yoself look like a foo'. Tryin'a act all smart and jus' end up embarassin' yoself up in here. Shoot, you mo' hellbound than she be. At least she know fo' sho what the Bible say.

[moofy]

Re: Greetings!

Please quote the verse in the Bible (KJV1611)


How is you gonna call her ignant when you gonna use "your" in place of "you're" (which mean "you are"). Oooolawd, I never claimed to be a grammaratition, but even I knows that much. See, the Lord just caused to to make yoself look like a foo'. Tryin'a act all smart and jus' end up embarassin' yoself up in here. Shoot, you mo' hellbound than she be. At least she know fo' sho what the Bible say.

So, what you're saying is that the sentence should technically be read as follows:

Please, your just too ignorant to understand anything. It's hardly my fault that "you are" parents failed to educate you properly.

For some reason that version of the sentence doesn't quite flow

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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So, what you're saying is that the sentence should technically be read as follows:

Please, your just too ignorant to understand anything. It's hardly my fault that "you are" parents failed to educate you properly.

For some reason that version of the sentence doesn't quite flow

Listen monkeyboy; We do not tolerate racism on God's favorite forum. You're attacking the sister just because she's a negress. She can't help that. Why don't you pick on somebody your own size?

[Rachael Van Helsing]

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You show yourself to be completely ignorant.

God made it all in 6 days and rested on the 7th. Thats 7000 years to begin with. The bible specifically equates each day like unto a thousand years.

further more we can track history back AT LEAST 2000 BC so that tacks on another 2k making it 9k. Now that it is generally agreed upon to be 2007 AD, we can add another 2k to the sum and make a grand total of 11k years of creation AT LEAST!

You were not even intelligent enough to be dignified with a response, yet I did so for the sake of others.

Further more you are being a troll. Only a complete God hating moron would say what you have just said!

I bet 1+1=3 for you.



Please, your just too ignorant to understand anything. It's hardly my fault that your parents failed to educate you properly.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
Coming from you, that's almost a compliment.
A pig-ignorant xtian calling me ignorant, is so laughable it's actually a compliment.
You see, for someone to be smart in your eyes, they'd need to be as stupid as you. And anyone who believes the claptrap you've professed to believe is one dense SOB.
My IQ is in the 150's, my dear.
And I am well-versed in the sciences, and am most likely more familiar with the actual bible than you most likely will ever be.

You, my dear, are an embarassment to the human race. You're a prime example of much of what is wrong with US society. Keep on talking this way, you'll only prove my point.

And furthermore, the date I've given you is gotten by adding all the lifespans of the people such as Methuselah since biblical creation. Any biblical scholar will tell you so.
You, my dear, are the one who has proven yourself to be ignorant.

And please don't assume I'm insulted, why would I be insulted by what a speck of dust has to say? Your reaction has only proven my points on many, many levels.

How is you gonna call her ignant when you gonna use "your" in place of "you're" (which mean "you are"). Oooolawd, I never claimed to be a grammaratition, but even I knows that much. See, the Lord just caused to to make yoself look like a foo'. Tryin'a act all smart and jus' end up embarassin' yoself up in here. Shoot, you mo' hellbound than she be. At least she know fo' sho what the Bible say.

Thankyou, Sista Lateefah.
I assume that this sorry creature has acted this way because I've proved it's own ignorance, or hurt it's precious feelings by pointing out certain facts.
Maybe you and the other Landover brethren can educate it more on the bible?

[Rachael Van Helsing]

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And just for your reference, here's a link which explains the biblical age of earth ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE, which you profess to follow and yet ignore:

http://www.albatrus.org/english/theology/creation/biblical_age_earth.htm

You hypocritical asswipe..

[lilith]

Re: Greetings!

" Maybe you and the other Landover brethren can educate it more on the bible?"

Isn't that a bit cruel - even for a...whatever it is?!

[Mrs. Rogers]

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But for the sake of others whom are watching I will answer.

... So truly we are blessed to have you among us? Yes, I believe so, your presence inspiring Van Hellbound to crack open an online Bible, and post scripture for your edification.

There is hope for her yet - do try to keep up with her, won't you? You wouldn't want to be Left Behind!

[Sista Lateefah]

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So, what you're saying is that the sentence should technically be read as follows:

Please, your just too ignorant to understand anything. It's hardly my fault that "you are" parents failed to educate you properly.

For some reason that version of the sentence doesn't quite flow

I sorry, honey. I din't realize we had a retarded postin' on these boards. Try goin' back to my post and readin' it very s-l-o-w-l-y, and maybe you understand it the way normal folk do. I had said that he had put "your" instead of "you're" (which mean "you are", as I had stated). This mean that if this hellbound sinner be half a smart as he/she/it think it is, it woulda looked like:

Please, you're just too ignorant to understand anything. It's hardly my fault that your parents failed to educate you properly.

Folk with common sense would not have tried to put that where it do not apply, as you had done did. But the Lord had decided to make you hopelessly ignant, so it not like you gonna have a easy time understandin' these grammaticalistic matters. I hope you had learned somethin' from this, but I know that it be virtually impossible fo' folk like you to learn anythang. When you get to retarded Hell, you give my retarded son a little wave fo' me, alright?

[Brother Temperance]

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So what you are saying is that you can not be judged. Because if you are evil, it is because God has made you so? What about all the choices that God gives you?

Why would God even bother sending Christ or the Prophets? They would change nothing... after all, just as you say, we do not have the power to do anything God does not want us to do. And neither would we have had the power to follow Christ lest God dictates so?

You are greatly inaccurate here. We can not be judged if our actions are controlled by God. Yes God does control our actions in certain circumstances, however that is an exception and not a general rule.

No. Who are you to pass judgement on what Our Lord can and cannot do? If He wishes to cause us to sin, and then judge us for it, then that is His prerogative. He is God, after all. You admit that God can stop us from sinning, but allows us to do so, so He is judging us for things that He allows us to do. Why do you think He created Satan?

God made it all in 6 days and rested on the 7th. Thats 7000 years to begin with. The bible specifically equates each day like unto a thousand years.

Care to provide chapter and verse for that? I'd be very interested to see it, seeing as you seem to currently be more interested in blowing out hot air and personal attacks than backing your claims up with scripture.

Further more you are being a troll. Only a complete God hating moron would say what you have just said!

Is your definition of a troll "anyone who disagrees with me", by any chance? Some might think that barging into an established community, tossing out illogical assertions left, right and centre, and then attacking anyone who attempts to correct you would be a better definition of trollish behaviour, but then what do I know? I'm one of those simpletons who thinks a day lasts 24 hours.

I bet 1+1=3 for you.

Friend, for me 1+1=whatever GOD says it equals.