Prove it.

[A Child]

Prove the existence of you God and your messiah. Prove it.

[GOD=life]

Re: Prove it.

Why?

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Prove it.

Prove the existence of you God and your messiah. Prove it.

It has been proven HERE.

Please use the "search" function before making any new threads. Chances are good that your question has been addressed elsewhere already.

Also, please make a thread of your own in the "Introductions" section of the forum, so that we can properly greet you. Tell us about yourself, your church, and how you came to find Jesus.

And if you're here to flame us, better take a look at THIS before making an even bigger ass out of yourself.

[Brother Enoch]

Re: Prove it.

Prove the existence of you God and your messiah. Prove it.

Done.



Any other questions?

[The Messenger]

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It's really interesting what passes for proof on this forum....

[The Messenger]

Re: Prove it.

Done.



Any other questions?

Yes actually, are you familiar with the Councils of Nicea and Trent? The places where your holy book that was allegedly passed down from god was edited with a fine tipped pen?

[Brother Enoch]

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It's really interesting what passes for proof on this forum....

Yeah. We've only got a text that starts at the very beginning of history, written by those living in those times, and extending through 4,000 years of history, until 2,000 years ago. All inspired by God.

What have you got, exactly?

Oh right, theories.

[Logan]

Re: Prove it.

It's really interesting what passes for proof on this forum....

You're the one making anti-religious claims, the burden of proof is on YOU.

[Nathan B. Forrest]

Re: Prove it.

Prove the existence of you God and your messiah. Prove it.

Your very existence is all the proof I need. Not the Lords best work for sure, but even HE can have an off day.

[TruePath]

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Bismillahir'Rahman'ir'Rahiim

Wa'Salaam'un'Aleykum friend,

The proof as I keep pointing out is the Noble Qur'an as given through the Prophet Muhammed (PBUH). How could an illiterate man living in the desert come up with such incredible literature with SCIENTIFIC FACTS NOT DISCOVERED UNTIL RECENT TIMES if it were not from God?

[humble servant]

Re: Prove it.

Prove the existence of you God and your messiah. Prove it.

It's really interesting what passes for proof on this forum....

To both of you:

You are able to type.
You are breathing.
You are thinking (although not well).
You exist.
The earth exists.

What more do you need? Close the door to evil and open the door to Him for He is our Lord. There is but one path.

[The Hand]

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(I'm just going to copy-paste my thoughts on this. It hardly seems worth typing anything new, since people are unwilling or unable to read anyway)

The burden of proof is on the non-believer.

No scientist can disprove the existence of GOD, and all scientific evidence points to 'something' else - an unknown factor, 'something' that put it all in motion, 'something' to begin it, 'something' that was there before everything. There are so many gaps in logic that have scientists puzzled. So many unanswered questions. So many missing links.

Even the greatest minds of the modern age cannot fathom what it could be, and show no signs of coming closer to being able to fathom it. The Big Bang theory is close to being written off - scientists now think they might have been wrong all along. And the greatest minds of history were men of Faith, from now, through the Renaissance and Age of Enlightenment, right back to the Old Testament - the word of GOD. Why do the enlightened embrace Faith so freely, and yet the unenlightened trash and internet trolls are so eager to discredit it?

All ancient civilizations believed in supreme beings, and they all share remarkable similarities. How could these people, before the age of radio and TV, before the age of phones and internet, how could they believe in such similar things? They never even met each other. They never even knew each other existed. How did they communicate these ideas? Some even almost got it correct, almost as correct as the written Bible. They were simple people who knew no better, but now we have the wisdom of the ages, and the word of GOD brought by the Prophets. We have no excuse for not believing.

And how can Christianity be so easy to believe in? How do people so willingly convert? Even believers of false gods and idols, even they are eager to embrace the True Faith once they have seen the Light. Why? Because it makes sense! It all fits into place perfectly. The Bible is infallible, as only a work of the divine could be. When you read the Bible, and I mean when you really read it, you can tell in your heart of hearts that it is no mere work of man. Listen to your heart, because it rarely lies to you. This is no work of a poet, no work of an artist, no work of fiction - this is something bigger. Bigger than you or I.

You are afraid, and I understand. You are afraid to surrender yourself so completely to GOD's will. You are afraid to believe in something greater than yourself. I am no longer afraid. I am a man of Faith. For the sake of all, I offer Him this sacrifice: my life, my body, my heart, my soul, my spirit. For Faith is what we believe it to be. Love, meaning, power. Light shines bright through the darkness, the world begins anew. Life returns to how it should be. Life with GOD has no holes of logic, no unexplained phenomenon, no secrets, no confusion, no lies, no fooling yourself, no trying to hammer square pegs in round holes.

Embrace The LORD. Forever, you shall see a bright future, a happiness, enlightenment. Do not fear Him, for He loves you. Never forget, the sacrifice of CHRIST who gave his life to save your world. The world could never owe Him enough.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Prove it.

Bismillahir'Rahman'ir'Rahiim

Wa'Salaam'un'Aleykum friend,

And a "Mecca lecca hi, mecca hiney ho" to you.

The proof as I keep pointing out is the Noble Qur'an as given through the Prophet Muhammed (PBUH). How could an illiterate man living in the desert come up with such incredible literature with SCIENTIFIC FACTS NOT DISCOVERED UNTIL RECENT TIMES if it were not from God?

Please provide demonstrations.

[TruePath]

Re: Prove it.

And a "Mecca lecca hi, mecca hiney ho" to you.


Please provide demonstrations.

Wa'Salaam'un'Aleykum

Here is a abundant list Reverend:

http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_index.html

I will copy and paste just one such example:

QUASARS AND THE GRAVITATIONAL LENS EFFECT
Allah is the light of the heavens and the Earth. The metaphor of His light is that of a niche in which is a lamp, the lamp inside a glass, the glass like a brilliant star, lit from a blessed tree, an olive, neither of the east nor of the west, its oil all but giving off light even if no fire touches it. Light upon light. Allah guides to His light whoever He wills and Allah makes metaphors for mankind and Allah has knowledge of all things. (Surat an-Nur, 35)
Quasar is the name given to extremely dense and bright bodies that look like stars and emit radio waves in space. Quasars are the brightest known bodies in the universe. The brightness of the brightest quasar in the universe is more than 2 trillion times greater than that of the Sun (2x1012); it is approximately 100 times greater than the total light emitted by a galaxy such as the Milky Way.1

The word "noor" in the verse means “light, brightness, daylight, shining, illumination.” The light referred to in the verse is suggestive, in terms of its brightness, of these celestial bodies known as quasars. Because other expressions in the verse describe the visibility of quasar light and the source of that light in the very wisest terms. (Allah knows the truth.)

The word “durriyyun”, meaning “bright,” in the expression "kaannaha kawkabun durriyyun” in the verse, itself meaning “like a brilliant star,” is highly compatible with the scientific description of quasars as “bright, stellar bodies”.2 In addition, the verse speaks of “giving off light even if no fire touches it.” It is probable that this is a reference to the way quasars burn without fire - nuclear fusion. Since oxygen is not naturally present in space, there can be no question of the brightness of quasars having anything to do with fire. The burning taking place here does so as hydrogen atoms are compressed and produce helium. The energy released during this process then illuminates space.

The expression “light upon light” in the verse may well be a reference to the “gravitational lens effect” in astronomy. (Allah knows the truth.) Many astronomers investigating the sources of light in the universe will easily understand this description in the verse. The effect in question refers to the way light from a source behind a body with a very dense mass, such as a black hole, departs under the effect of that dense body and reaches us. It appears that there is therefore more than one source of light of the images we see. Due to this “gravitational lens effect,” an object appears to be somewhere different to where it actually is, and in greater numbers.

The term “a niche in which is a lamp” in the verse may be interpreted as the niche being the area of gravitational lens effect of a black hole. (Allah knows the truth.) It is significant that in describing the effect that arises, NASA scientists use the analogy of the effect of a drinking glass:

The gravitational effect of the galaxy on the distant quasar was similar to the lens effect of a drinking glass on a distant street light – it created multiple images lenses here too.3

In his book The Whole Shebang, regarded as one of the leading books of the 20th century by the New York Times, the science writer Timothy Ferris clarifies the subject as follows:

As light from a Quasar travels towards us… it may pass through either side of an intervening cluster of galaxies. The warped space surrounding the cluster can act as a lens, with a result that we see two images of what is (or was) actually one quasar.4

NASA's Hubble Space Telescope caught a single quasar in space producing images of five separate stars for the very first time. Bodies with a high density – a group of galaxies here – produce more than one image by giving rise to the gravitational lens effect, bending the light from objects behind them, in this case quasars.

The illustration shows a quasar appearing to be in four separate places due to the gravitational lens effect. The images, obtained by the Hubble Space Telescope (Chandra), represent a distance of 11 billion light years.

The reference in the verse to “light on light” may be a description of reflected light forming more than one image. In addition, the term “neither of the east nor of the west” in the verse is in all likelihood a reference to the uncertainty of the light’s source. (Allah knows the truth.)
Quasars are the brightest objects in the universe, and are the nuclei of growing galaxies with the black holes in their center. Black holes, that arise as the result of the contraction of stars and gasses belonging to galaxies, are the source of quasar energy. Quasars’ brightness is spread by stars falling into the black holes at the centers of galaxies.5Thinking of the “lamp” in the verse as a quasar, the “niche” may well be a reference to the “black hole” that feeds the quasar. (Allah knows the truth.)

Einstein suggested that due to the effect described as the “gravitational lens,” bodies in space could bend light and that it was possible for an observer to see several images from one single source.6However, this effect was only observed for the first time in the quasar known as the “Twin Quasar” in 1979. Quasars were first discovered in 1963, 14 centuries after the revelation of the Qur’an. The status of the heavenly bodies described in verse 35 of Surat an-Nur is in surprising agreement with our current scientific knowledge. This and a great many other scientific miracles are clear proof that the Qur’an is the revelation of our Omniscient Lord, the Creator of all things.

If a star is immediately behind the black hole, as in the illustration, the star will appear to be both to the right and to the left of the black hole.

Gravitational lens effect

1 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quasar

2 http://www.thefreedictionary.com/quasar; http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap951022.html

3 http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap950711.html

4 Timothy Ferris, The Whole Shebang, 1997, p. 61.

5 http://www.tiscali.co.uk/reference/e...m0028790.html; http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/quasars.html

6 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_lensing

[Brother Enoch]

Re: Prove it.

The illustration shows a quasar appearing to be in four separate places due to the gravitational lens effect. The images, obtained by the Hubble Space Telescope (Chandra), represent a distance of 11 billion light years.

Hello future explosive debris! What's up with the 11 billion light years thing? That means that image is 11 billion years old. Aren't muslims creationists? I'm pretty sure they are.