[IBelive]

Re: Flame the Fires so to speak.

Wow, when I first answered you at the beginning of this thread, I had no idea you were such a nutjob. I feel sorry for you and your whole "going to Hell" situation.

wow thats neat how you can change a persons posts like that. I love you Mr Pilot man.

[Levi Jones]

Re: Flame the Fires so to speak.

Ok let me put my "view" in a way for me to be understood that I don't think I'm getting across..

Lets say a boy age 13 is ridiculed for 5 years on end by his class mates never have been taught the correct way to deal with it (spiritually or otherwise) and decides he can no longer take the abuse. He goes to his fathers gun cabinet and pulls out a Ruger ranch rifle and takes it to school. He then proceeds to shoot 15 children and teachers.

I don't like the turn this conversation is taking. Do we need to report this thread to the authorities?

Now this boy had he been taught spiritually or otherwise may have had a chance to deal with this situation. Now the act of Murder itself its bad and the boy should be punished for the crime but the cause of the boys breakdown was in fact the ridicule he received for 5 years. In Gods eyes shouldn't the ridiculer's be punished for the same crime?

Your analogy is worthless. A more apt one would be if this boy told everyone he was going to kill them daily and his friends walked with him every step of the way guiding him away from killing people.

Murder is a sin.

You call it tough love I call it Accessory to whatever comes from it. If a person goes ,,,, well lets put it to the test,,, there is a thread on your forums about how the oil spill in the golf was a "God send" and the shrimpers are being punished.

Does not God punish? Is He not punishing them or is He simply indifferent?

Matthew 10:29-30 Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father. But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.
Fear ye not therefore, ye are of more value than many sparrows.


Why do you think it is happening? Are you one of these people who credits God with all that is good in the world, but blames man when things go badly? We understand that God tests and punishes.



Have I not shown you Isaiah 45:7?

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.


Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?


God sends evil spirits to people who refuse to obey Him.



Isaiah 19:14 The LORD hath mingled a perverse spirit in the midst thereof: and they have caused Egypt to err in every work thereof, as a drunken man staggereth in his vomit.

Now picture one of those shrimpers See's these comments. He has lost his family business, his home, his land is corrupted for ever and your comments send him over the edge. He then proceeds to ,after reading your "Tough love" takes a gun to a pre school and kills 6 four year olds.

What is your obsession with killing people?

another scenario. A gay person that has been taunted for years sees a "unnamed" church protesting at the funerals of fallen service members. He then goes looking for the website of this church and finds yours instead. It says basically the same thing he was looking for and decides to retaliate not knowing your real point of views.

We have suffered persecution for years. You'll never get past security.

These are just scenario's BTW don't worry I have no malice toward you or your church.

Glad to read that..

But you can see my point I hope that Tough love or what ever you want to call it can be translated in to hate and then in turn breed hate and violence and a number of things evil making you by societies definition (Mans Law) as much at fault as the person committing the act.

I have just consulted our joo lawyers. When you blame us for your killing spree, we will not be held accountable.

I may be dense but I can obviously still see truth.

Obviously, you can't. Now, tell us what are you doing here?

[Jedediah]

Re: Flame the Fires so to speak.

Ok let me put my "view" in a way for me to be understood that I don't think I'm getting across..

Lets say a boy age 13 is ridiculed for 5 years on end by his class mates never have been taught the correct way to deal with it (spiritually or otherwise) and decides he can no longer take the abuse. He goes to his fathers gun cabinet and pulls out a Ruger ranch rifle and takes it to school. He then proceeds to shoot 15 children and teachers.

Now this boy had he been taught spiritually or otherwise may have had a chance to deal with this situation. Now the act of Murder itself its bad and the boy should be punished for the crime but the cause of the boys breakdown was in fact the ridicule he received for 5 years. In Gods eyes shouldn't the ridiculer's be punished for the same crime?

Well, first of all - if any of them are not True Christians™, then they are all equally culpable in the eyes of the LORD, whether they pick on the boy or not. Any who do not live by the Holy Bible (KJV 1611) will be cast into the lake of fire, regardless of their conduct in this life.

However, if the murderous lad's classmates were rebuking him in righteousness, then they were following God's instructions as given in II Timothy 4:1-5:

I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.

If his classmates were trying to win his soul for the LORD and he returned their love with violence, then they died as martyrs and sit at the right hand of Jesus while he begs them from hell for a drop of water.

As I have pointed out to you before, you mistake our True Christian Love™ for hatred and mean-spiritedness. We rebuke you and other unsaved trash because we want you to join us in Heaven. If you had an ounce of Christian discernment in your body, you would be thanking us when we chasten you and scourge you.

Hebrews 12:5-8
And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

But the point you try to make in your hypothetical situation is moot. Unless they accept Jesus and live by the every word of the KJV 1611, then they will be dragged to hell when they die.

You call it tough love I call it Accessory to whatever comes from it. If a person goes ,,,, well lets put it to the test,,, there is a thread on your forums about how the oil spill in the golf was a "God send" and the shrimpers are being punished. Now picture one of those shrimpers See's these comments. He has lost his family business, his home, his land is corrupted for ever and your comments send him over the edge. He then proceeds to ,after reading your "Tough love" takes a gun to a pre school and kills 6 four year olds.

another scenario. A gay person that has been taunted for years sees a "unnamed" church protesting at the funerals of fallen service members. He then goes looking for the website of this church and finds yours instead. It says basically the same thing he was looking for and decides to retaliate not knowing your real point of views.

In the case of the shrimpers, they are being judged by God for not accepting His Commandments, not by us.

Leviticus 11:9-12
These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat.
And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:
They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination.
Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.

Deuteronomy 14:9-10
These ye shall eat of all that are in the waters: all that have fins and scales shall ye eat:
And whatsoever hath not fins and scales ye may not eat; it is unclean unto you.

We merely connect the dots. If a shrimper reads our forum, I would hope a lightbulb would go off in his head and that he would turn his life over to the LORD and become a True Christian™ rather than making a career out of breaking the LORD's commandments.

Are you suggesting that we just cower away and stop shouting the Gospel from on high just because of some half-baked hypothetical scenario concocted by a false Christian?

As for your gay scenario, I honestly have no idea where you are going there. Are you suggesting that we coddle sinners and tell them that there is no problem with their lifestyle rather than try to save their souls? And you call us hateful?

These are just scenario's BTW don't worry I have no malice toward you or your church.

But you can see my point I hope that Tough love or what ever you want to call it can be translated in to hate and then in turn breed hate and violence and a number of things evil making you by societies definition (Mans Law) as much at fault as the person committing the act.

I may be dense but I can obviously still see truth.

Your scenarios are bunk, and the devil is doing a number on your thought processes. You do not see Truth™. You only think you do because your mind is filled with demons. As I have explained to you before, we are filled with pure love for you and other unsaved trash.

We Christians are used to having our pure love returned with hate and malice, though. Do you remember the lions in the Roman Colosseum? God tells us to expect for wicked men to return our True Christian Love™ with hatred.

Luke 21:17
And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.

It lets us know that we are obediently following His Word.

Son, there is much you don't understand about Christianity. You would do well to cease trying to get us to tell you your false doctrine is sound doctrine, and spend more time reading the Holy Bible (KJV 1611).

[IBelive]

Re: Flame the Fires so to speak.

I know you have heard this all before from many people that have " tried to test your faith" Ill tell you about myself now,

I am a non religion oriented Christian, I believe all religions have it wrong and use there will against Gods teachings. I do however like to learn from "Religion" because there are a lot of smart people that know far more then I about God.
I can not say I believe as you do about persecution for Jesus himself was persecuted and sent to the cross.
I do however believe you have a right to believe whatever you want and I make no judgments about it, we will all find out in the end.

Again just to put your mind at rest, I'm not a crazy that is hear to get "revenge".

I do however feel If I where a person giving "tough love" I would be held accountable for there actions when i face God. And the talk about "you wish you could take arms like the Muslims did" in the thread by Capt Portway recently posted in the other religions thread is quite disturbing.

[BelieverInGod]

Re: Flame the Fires so to speak.

Ok let me put my "view" in a way for me to be understood that I don't think I'm getting across..

Lets say a boy age 13 is ridiculed for 5 years on end by his class mates never have been taught the correct way to deal with it (spiritually or otherwise) and decides he can no longer take the abuse. He goes to his fathers gun cabinet and pulls out a Ruger ranch rifle and takes it to school. He then proceeds to shoot 15 children and teachers.

Now this boy had he been taught spiritually or otherwise may have had a chance to deal with this situation. Now the act of Murder itself its bad and the boy should be punished for the crime but the cause of the boys breakdown was in fact the ridicule he received for 5 years. In Gods eyes shouldn't the ridiculer's be punished for the same crime?

You call it tough love I call it Accessory to whatever comes from it. If a person goes ,,,, well lets put it to the test,,, there is a thread on your forums about how the oil spill in the golf was a "God send" and the shrimpers are being punished. Now picture one of those shrimpers See's these comments. He has lost his family business, his home, his land is corrupted for ever and your comments send him over the edge. He then proceeds to ,after reading your "Tough love" takes a gun to a pre school and kills 6 four year olds.

another scenario. A gay person that has been taunted for years sees a "unnamed" church protesting at the funerals of fallen service members. He then goes looking for the website of this church and finds yours instead. It says basically the same thing he was looking for and decides to retaliate not knowing your real point of views.

These are just scenario's BTW don't worry I have no malice toward you or your church.

But you can see my point I hope that Tough love or what ever you want to call it can be translated in to hate and then in turn breed hate and violence and a number of things evil making you by societies definition (Mans Law) as much at fault as the person committing the act.

I may be dense but I can obviously still see truth.

So you're saying that you want to kill people and blame the people you kill? Perhaps you should contact the authorities before you do something rash. Go to your local hospital and tell a doctor about these thoughts.

[IBelive]

Re: Flame the Fires so to speak.

I'm sorry I do not respond to antagonism. That may be one of your problems right there, the unwillingness of people to listen to antagonism? Humm words to ponder.

[BelieverInGod]

Re: Flame the Fires so to speak.

[Levi Jones]

Re: Flame the Fires so to speak.

I'm sorry I do not respond to antagonism. That may be one of your problems right there, the unwillingness of people to listen to antagonism? Humm words to ponder.

I accept your surrender, friend.

[IBelive]

Re: Flame the Fires so to speak.

I must say you guys are really good....

[IBelive]

Re: Flame the Fires so to speak.

But what i said holds true, no matter what you say in your site, someone can take it the wrong way and hurt people as a result... I tried to do it your way I just cant.

[Levi Jones]

Re: Flame the Fires so to speak.

I must say you guys are really good....

Thank you very much. I give it all up to God. It's His Word not mine.

[Phebe Carlyle]

Re: Flame the Fires so to speak.

But what i said holds true, no matter what you say in your site, someone can take it the wrong way and hurt people as a result... I tried to do it your way I just cant.

It seems to me you have a skewed perception of what WE are capable of.

Are we the cause if someone feels sickly, due to their own gluttonous ways?

Are we the cause if someone has not sought forgiveness from The Lord, so therefore feels a tremendous void in their lives?

Are we the cause if someone feels pain, due to stubbing their toe?

The answer to all the above is NO.

It seems to me that you are playing the blame game in an attempt to negate responsibility for your own actions and feelings.

I can understand that to a certain degree as it is an easier out to point the finger of judgement at others, rather than oneself and all I can do is pray for you to eventually see the Light.

I sometimes do wish that I had the power you claim we all have, as if I did, everyone would instantly take Jesus into their heart and feel his Salvation washing over them. When that happens, there is no feeling BUT complete love, gaiety and joy. There is no feelings of hurt, or despair with Jesus on your side.

The only power we have is, as Acts 1:8 says:Acts 1:8 (King James Version)

"But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth."

We can witness for The Lord, but after that, it is between you and God; you have to be willing to receive his Gift.

[handmaiden]

Re: Flame the Fires so to speak.

But what i said holds true, no matter what you say in your site, someone can take it the wrong way and hurt people as a result... I tried to do it your way I just cant.

You are worried about what we say on our site ? You think that people will read what we say and hurt people as a result of some binary coding on a computer screen?

Have you READ the Bible? We are concerned about people taking ITS words and using them to serve their own personal agendas, which, oddly enough, often ends up hurting someone.

Our mission is to set forth the truths and teachings of the whole Bible. We want people to stop reading their own intentions and sensibilities and personal motivations into its time-honored words. When people's eyes are truly opened, God cannot be used to hurt anyone. Respect the power of the Bible and learn its lessons for mankind before it is too late.

Exhortingly Yours,

Handmaiden

[IBelive]

Re: Flame the Fires so to speak.

Your abosolutly correct because thats the way you feel about it.

I guess If I was the one doing it jest or not I would hold my self responsible and I guess thats my flaw and ill just have to live with it.

[Levi Jones]

Re: Flame the Fires so to speak.

Your abosolutly correct because thats the way you feel about it.

I guess If I was the one doing it jest or not I would hold my self responsible and I guess thats my flaw and ill just have to live with it.

By your estimation, we are hellbound no matter what. Is satan going to double dip us in hot lava for preaching what you consider to be "hateful verses from the Bible?"

We laid it all out for you scripture and verse. Read what we posted over and over until it sinks in. I hope you have found this enlightening. I truly do.

I'll close this conversation with a prayer from Psalm 7.

6Arise, O LORD, in thine anger, lift up thyself because of the rage of mine enemies: and awake for me to the judgment that thou hast commanded.
7So shall the congregation of the people compass thee about: for their sakes therefore return thou on high.
8The LORD shall judge the people: judge me, O LORD, according to my righteousness, and according to mine integrity that is in me.
9Oh let the wickedness of the wicked come to an end; but establish the just: for the righteous God trieth the hearts and reins.
10My defence is of God, which saveth the upright in heart.
11God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every day.
12If he turn not, he will whet his sword; he hath bent his bow, and made it ready.
13He hath also prepared for him the instruments of death; he ordaineth his arrows against the persecutors.
14Behold, he travaileth with iniquity, and hath conceived mischief, and brought forth falsehood.
15He made a pit, and digged it, and is fallen into the ditch which he made.
16His mischief shall return upon his own head, and his violent dealing shall come down upon his own pate.