[Levi Jones]

Re: Christian Rover's own special thread

Well Rev. Jim, I thank you for your reasoned tone.

In answer to your first question, why need one influence the other? I'm not using atheist arguments, I just find the arguments put forward by liberal theologians on the point more persuasive. They are more in line with the Jesus Christ that I know personally, and are what the Holy Spirit has revealed to me.

Secondly, I don't like this 'Word of God', 'yes or no' approach. Such terminology only seeks to confuse. I believe the Bible contains a lot of truths about the nature of God, but there are also some errors within it. It was written by men, whose writings were often infused with the cultural and religious mores of the day. I have said before, it is my reason - guided by the Holy Spirit and by what I know about Jesus personally - that determines which parts of the Bible are relevant and applicable to today's world from those which are not. I think you at Landover are equally guilty of cherry-picking, but I won't go there, because I know you won't listen.

I now know that you are an atheist troll. Nice try, kid, but when you claim to be a pastor, a homo, a Christian and are proud to follow only parts of the Bible, you don't believe in our LORD.

Jesus is hip to that, boy.

[Christian_Rover (aka Danny the queer)]

Re: Christian Rover's own special thread

The problem is Christian Rover is that you are opening up a can of words that can damage your faith in whatever else you believe in. Now, you claim to be a "Christian" (which you really haven't shown), but I'm sure you could at least admit that Jesus Christ is the savior, correct? (Or is this something else that has been mistranslated?)

My question is this: Why are you skeptical (and happily using atheist arguments) against the idea that homosexuality is a sin but will not apply them to whatever else you believe in the Bible to be true?

Second question: Do you believe the Holy Bible is the Word of God? If so, how could it have errors like you claim? How could people have been wrong about homosexuality for thousands of years then suddenly some gay pentecostals come along and say "Oh, they had it wrong"? Are you saying the Word of God is corrupt? If it's corrupt...how can you trust anything in the Bible? Why do you turn a blind eye to parts where Jesus said that we must love our enemies or that we should help the poor? Where do you get the authority to determine which parts of the Bible you deem correct?

Unless you are an actual atheist, posing as a Christian, in which case it's a moot point since you're already a Jesus hater and won't listen to anything we have to say. And if so, I suggest leaving because we don't have time for games.

Well Rev. Jim, I thank you for your reasoned tone.

In answer to your first question, why need one influence the other? I'm not using atheist arguments, I just find the arguments put forward by liberal theologians on the point more persuasive. They are more in line with the Jesus Christ that I know personally, and are what the Holy Spirit has revealed to me.

Secondly, I don't like this 'Word of God', 'yes or no' approach. Such terminology only seeks to confuse. I believe the Bible contains a lot of truths about the nature of God, but there are also some errors within it. It was written by men, whose writings were often infused with the cultural and religious mores of the day. I have said before, it is my reason - guided by the Holy Spirit and by what I know about Jesus personally - that determines which parts of the Bible are relevant and applicable to today's world from those which are not. I think you at Landover are equally guilty of cherry-picking, but I won't go there, because I know you won't listen.

Great Big Love,
Stevie.

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Re: Christian Rover's own special thread

The problem is Christian Rover is that you are opening up a can of words that can damage your faith in whatever else you believe in. Now, you claim to be a "Christian" (which you really haven't shown), but I'm sure you could at least admit that Jesus Christ is the savior, correct? (Or is this something else that has been mistranslated?)

My question is this: Why are you skeptical (and happily using atheist arguments) against the idea that homosexuality is a sin but will not apply them to whatever else you believe in the Bible to be true?

Second question: Do you believe the Holy Bible is the Word of God? If so, how could it have errors like you claim? How could people have been wrong about homosexuality for thousands of years then suddenly some gay pentecostals come along and say "Oh, they had it wrong"? Are you saying the Word of God is corrupt? If it's corrupt...how can you trust anything in the Bible? Why do you turn a blind eye to parts where Jesus said that we must love our enemies or that we should help the poor? Where do you get the authority to determine which parts of the Bible you deem correct?

Unless you are an actual atheist, posing as a Christian, in which case it's a moot point since you're already a Jesus hater and won't listen to anything we have to say. And if so, I suggest leaving because we don't have time for games.

[Levi Jones]

Re: Cherry-picking Scripture

There is nothing there that says scripture alone is the key to understanding God. Indeed, when Paul wrote those words the Canon still wasn't settled. In fact, it wasn't settled for another 200 years.

I see. The Bible wasn't settled.

You are using atheist arguments now. You are seriously arguing against the same Bible you claim to follow?

I suppose next we will see the nag hammadi scrolls used as canon.

I suppose you will be arguing that James was actually meant to be the head of the church instead of Peter.

[landoverlover]

Re: Christian Rover's own special thread

Right guys, enough is enough. I am sure we are all agreed that our faith is no joking matter. PLEASE remove that stupid picture from my profile. I didn't ask for it to be put there, and I don't want it to remain.

Now if you want to have a serious discussion about matters pertaining to faith, then let's have that discussion and stop this childish behaviour.

You are fortunate that I have a rather thick skin. I am a youth worker, and have met many young gay people who have been bullied and driven to the brink of suicide by name-calling and other puerile acts. Here is a question: in all seriousness, how would you feel if a young gay teenager came here with questions, and went off and put a rope around his neck as a result of how he was treated here. Is that what Christ would want? I think not.

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In several past posts you have been provided with an extensive list of Scripture that plainly, unequivocally, condemns homosexuality. Any common-sense, simple reading of these passages leaves absolutely no doubt of their meaning.

Your response, like others of the fluffy-bunny persuasion, has been to torture the plain-text language until it screams for mercy. The lengths you go to say that simple words don't mean what they say is both ludicrous and laughable.
It is territory already asked and answered.

When that doesn't work your tactic is to say there are other avenues than Scripture to support your position, but neglect to say what they are. I can only assume you mean the pro-homosexual rantings of the liberal "clergy", a phenomenon that has been in existence for the relative blink of an eye - in defiance of thousands of years of consistent Biblical understanding. Can you cite a single, clear statement of support of your pro-homosexual position by a true Christian church leader before, say, 1968?

Any belief worth its salt has stood the test of time. Your idea that God approves of homosexual behavior is one piece of rotten fruit, so to speak, in a whole basket of recent abominations: Female clergy, "liberation" theology, safe havens for illegal immigrants, the rending apart of many protestant churches (thankfully, not the true Baptist church), the ecumenical movement, and on and on. One can only hope this is a passing fad.

It seems apparent that people are waking up in rejection of all that you stand for. Evidence will be provided in November when Republicans will begin taking back our society, in no small part because of the immorality you champion and seek to legitimize in defiance of the will of the majority.

[Christian_Rover (aka Danny the queer)]

Re: Why is the King James Bible the correct one?

Of course not! Except for the Catholics--they've always been lost.

HAHAHAHA!!!!

EVERYBODY was part of the Catholic church until the reformation in the 16th century!!!!!

Sorry, but there were no baptists back then!!!!

[Christian_Rover (aka Danny the queer)]

Re: Cherry-picking Scripture

Do you ever intend to explain how you know that you are right and all of those other people who read the Bible that way, yet reach conclusions contrary to yours, are wrong?

2 Tim. 3:15-17: And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

So the Bible is able to make a person wise unto salvation through faith and to make that person perfect, thoroughly (not partially) furnished to all (not merely some) good works. Sounds like sola scriptura to me.

There is nothing there that says scripture alone is the key to understanding God. Indeed, when Paul wrote those words the Canon still wasn't settled. In fact, it wasn't settled for another 200 years.

[A Follower]

Re: This is just plain ridiculous

Right guys, enough is enough. I am sure we are all agreed that our faith is no joking matter. PLEASE remove that stupid picture from my profile. I didn't ask for it to be put there, and I don't want it to remain.

Now if you want to have a serious discussion about matters pertaining to faith, then let's have that discussion and stop this childish behaviour.

You are fortunate that I have a rather thick skin. I am a youth worker, and have met many young gay people who have been bullied and driven to the brink of suicide by name-calling and other puerile acts. Here is a question: in all seriousness, how would you feel if a young gay teenager came here with questions, and went off and put a rope around his neck as a result of how he was treated here. Is that what Christ would want? I think not.

That depends, did he ask Jesus to Heal him of the gay and did he accept Jesus into his life before he committed suicide? I don't think Jesus would want him to kill himself before he's a Christian, so if that guy came here we'd have to push him as hard as possible to renounce his evil ways before he commits suicide, we'd really be in a race against time.

[Levi Jones]

Re: This is just plain ridiculous

Right guys, enough is enough. I am sure we are all agreed that our faith is no joking matter. PLEASE remove that stupid picture from my profile. I didn't ask for it to be put there, and I don't want it to remain.

Now if you want to have a serious discussion about matters pertaining to faith, then let's have that discussion and stop this childish behaviour.

You are fortunate that I have a rather thick skin. I am a youth worker, and have met many young gay people who have been bullied and driven to the brink of suicide by name-calling and other puerile acts. Here is a question: in all seriousness, how would you feel if a young gay teenager came here with questions, and went off and put a rope around his neck as a result of how he was treated here. Is that what Christ would want? I think not.

I'm going to merge all your new threads to here. You are going to answer the questions posed to you, boy.

You will no longer get humiliated in one thread only to start another. Your humiliation will be consolidated into a place where you can no longer run.

[Levi Jones]

Re: Cherry-picking Scripture

So what do you care about what Rome says? They're all damned anyway, right?

Of course they are damned, but they won't even condone your queerness.

How does it feel to be a pariah to an organization that regularly buggers children?

[Christian_Rover (aka Danny the queer)]

Re: Cherry-picking Scripture

Speaking of heresy, let's find out what the catholic church has to say about your sodomy.

So what do you care about what Rome says? They're all damned anyway, right?

[Christian_Rover (aka Danny the queer)]

This is just plain ridiculous

Right guys, enough is enough. I am sure we are all agreed that our faith is no joking matter. PLEASE remove that stupid picture from my profile. I didn't ask for it to be put there, and I don't want it to remain.

Now if you want to have a serious discussion about matters pertaining to faith, then let's have that discussion and stop this childish behaviour.

You are fortunate that I have a rather thick skin. I am a youth worker, and have met many young gay people who have been bullied and driven to the brink of suicide by name-calling and other puerile acts. Here is a question: in all seriousness, how would you feel if a young gay teenager came here with questions, and went off and put a rope around his neck as a result of how he was treated here. Is that what Christ would want? I think not.

[Morgana]

Re: Scripture Challenge

Wow, you sure are quick to show your stupidity, huh? Look, here's what the Hebrew says.

וְאִישׁ אֲשֶׁר יִשְׁכַּב אֶת־זָכָר מִשְׁכְּבֵי אִשָּׁה תֹּועֵבָה עָשׂוּ שְׁנֵיהֶם מֹות יוּמָתוּ דְּמֵיהֶם בָּֽם׃

Don't believe me? Why don't you look into the history of how this law was enforced - it was used, since the earliest days of the Hebrews, as a law to KILL anyone found having sex with another man. Are suggesting that 21st century perverts understand ancient hebrew better than the ancient hebrews did?

You also like to overlook the fact that since the earliest days of Christianity, the texts used today to condemn all homosexual acts, were used to condemn ALL homosexual acts. For more than 2000 years these words were understood. Are we to believe that suddenly, because of a recent uprise in homosexual popularity in the public, that a few ultra-liberal FRINGE "scholars" who twist the plain words of the Bible and of history, that in fact the Word of God is wrong?

Do YOU read Hebrew, sir? If so, I'm interested in having a discussion on the matter of translation

Oh you are going to love me!!! I am one of the few people here who knows what you said in Hebrew. I also know that not only did the Hebrews not only forbid homosexuality they stoned them outside the city when such things were caught. I also know that Sodom and Gomorrah was not the only city destroy for/or because of homosexuality. There were several others including the Cananites. This begs the question that homosexuality led to the breakdown of their societies.

[Morgana]

Re: Scripture Challenge

Of course a Bible which has been modified by homers will say that. Seriously do you think 2 homers will lie in a womens bed, of course not. If I found out 2 homers had sex in my bed I will burn it because of the homer disease

Lisa that is not the worst part of it!!!

Revelations 20:19 " And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."

That is a curse...some pastors say...not to add or take away from the Bible. The Homers are doing just that by what this homer just said!!!!

[Lisa H]

Re: Scripture Challenge

You can get blood tests to see if your partner has AIDs.

Nooo, I said I'm not on heroin. The drug. You know, the one you insert into your veins.

Why would a priest want to test your blood for the AID's when you are homersexual. It would be against the teachings of the Lord.


Leviticus 4:30 And the priest shall take of the blood thereof with his finger, and put it upon the horns of the altar of burnt offering, and shall pour out all the blood thereof at the bottom of the altar.

That would be so wrong to put drugs into your veins.