[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Why? How?

Uh.... you seem to have a deluded idea of a Christian life. Bad things and injuries WILL happen to you. God does not promise a happy and pain free life if you follow him, but one filled with suffering. Did Jesus not say "Pick up your cross and follow me?" referencing the painful journey to Calvary's Hill where he had to carry his heavy cross until he collapsed.

And look at Job, though that was Satan's doing.

Job was a Jew, not a Christian. Remember the Jews rejected Jesus so Satan was correct in challenging Job's faith.

PROVE bad things have happened to TRUE Christians™.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: Why? How?

Uh.... you seem to have a deluded idea of a Christian life. Bad things and injuries WILL happen to you. God does not promise a happy and pain free life if you follow him, but one filled with suffering. Did Jesus not say "Pick up your cross and follow me?" referencing the painful journey to Calvary's Hill where he had to carry his heavy cross until he collapsed.

And look at Job, though that was Satan's doing.

Jesus is talking about persecution:

Matthew 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

Matthew 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

Luke 21:17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.

God only smites sinners with disease:


Exodus 15:26 (King James Version) 26And said, If thou wilt diligently hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, and wilt do that which is right in his sight, and wilt give ear to his commandments, and keep all his statutes, I will put none of these diseases upon thee, which I have brought upon the Egyptians: for I am the LORD that healeth thee.


Deuteronomy 7:15 (King James Version) 15And the LORD will take away from thee all sickness, and will put none of the evil diseases of Egypt, which thou knowest, upon thee; but will lay them upon all them that hate thee.


Psalm 103:1-5 (King James Version) 1Bless the LORD, O my soul: and all that is within me, bless his holy name. 2Bless the LORD, O my soul, and forget not all his benefits: 3Who forgiveth all thine iniquities; who healeth all thy diseases; 4Who redeemeth thy life from destruction; who crowneth thee with lovingkindness and tender mercies; 5Who satisfieth thy mouth with good things; so that thy youth is renewed like the eagle's.

Psalm 103:2-3 (King James Version) 2Bless the LORD, O my soul, and forget not all his benefits: 3Who forgiveth all thine iniquities; who healeth all thy diseases;

Psalm 107:19-20 (King James Version) 19Then they cry unto the LORD in their trouble, and he saveth them out of their distresses. 20He sent his word, and healed them, and delivered them from their destructions.


Psalm 147:3 (King James Version) 3He healeth the broken in heart, and bindeth up their wounds.


Proverbs 3:7-8 (King James Version) 7Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil. 8It shall be health to thy navel, and marrow to thy bones.


Isaiah 19:22 (King James Version) 22And the LORD shall smite Egypt: he shall smite and heal it: and they shall return even to the LORD, and he shall be intreated of them, and shall heal them.


Isaiah 53:5 (King James Version) 5But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.


Isaiah 57:17-18 (King James Version) 17For the iniquity of his covetousness was I wroth, and smote him: I hid me, and was wroth, and he went on frowardly in the way of his heart. 18I have seen his ways, and will heal him: I will lead him also, and restore comforts unto him and to his mourners.


Jeremiah 30:12-14, 17 12For thus saith the LORD, Thy bruise is incurable, and thy wound is grievous. 13There is none to plead thy cause, that thou mayest be bound up: thou hast no healing medicines. 14All thy lovers have forgotten thee; they seek thee not; for I have wounded thee with the wound of an enemy, with the chastisement of a cruel one, for the multitude of thine iniquity; because thy sins were increased.17For I will restore health unto thee, and I will heal thee of thy wounds, saith the LORD; because they called thee an Outcast, saying, This is Zion, whom no man seeketh after.


Malachi 4:2 (King James Version) 2But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.

[Samuel Coleridge]

Re: Why? How?

And look at Job, though that was Satan's doing.

To be fair, God did make a bet with Satan and allowed it to happen.

[Mrs. Mary Whitford]

Re: Why? How?

>First of all, this is NOT a debate forum<
wrong - by the very nature of it being a christian forum, it must be a forum for debating

If you're going to make a ridiculous assertion like this, back it up with scripture. Where in the Bible does it say that by being Christians, we must be open for debate?

after all, the bible tells you to love thy neighbour, which is assumed to mean every single person

You can assume that all you want. I'm going to read the words of the Bible as-is, and when it says "neighbor", I'm going to read that as "neighbor". When it says "lion", do you assume that to mean all cats? When it says "unicorn", does that mean all horses?

you'd let me marry your daugher after I raped her? hilarious - you're just setting yourself up to become a rape target

So you're admitting you would consider raping a True Christian(tm) girl to get yourself a True Christian(tm) bride.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Why? How?

I love how you call everyone who disagrees with you a sinner.

Are you claiming that you're not a sinner?

Romans 3:23

For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God.

[Thomas W]

Re: Why? How?

To be fair, God did make a bet with Satan and allowed it to happen.

...and if you read the Book of Job to the end, you'd see that God explains His reasons in great detail, after Job and three more openly doubts them.