[JesperBechDane]

Re: Formal Apology

Billy Bob,

I didn't stone my wife. I just woke up one morning and there she was in the yard, buried up to her waist, surrounded by bloody stones. I'm not saying it was the wrong thing to do to a reprobate sinner like Ethel. In fact, it was the godly thing to do. I'm just saying it wasn't me. It was somebody else. Whoever it was, they were an instrument of God.

If doing so was the exact same as being an instrument of God, why did Jesus not let the woman caught in adultery be stoned? Why did he speak to the crowds so they desisted, thus PREVENTING a stoning, and rebuking her with words, but not laying a hand or even a finger on her? Maybe you should read the New Testament a bit more, and the Old a bit less. And if you have been involved in a crime, in the eyes of Jesus Christ, know that you will be held accountable on the day of judgment if not before, as God works in mysterious ways, and the police have a way of showing up unexpectedly, guided by ordinary Divine Providence, to the residences of sinners. I would worry about both secular and divine punishment, and rightly so, if I were you. Jesus saw everything you did, and if it was wrong, you will burn in hell for it. Trust me, you will.

Phebe. I cannot give such an apology until I am sure Cindy Lou has not suffered permanent injuries or scarring, I would just feel sick to my guts doing so if that was/is the case, and even if it were not! And judging by what has been said it might very well be the case, who the hell uses an oar that's similar to a baseball bat - who does that to a loved one?! That's what psycho gangs do, not normal people!! Did you know that St Thomas Moore, who was beheaded for reproving the King of England for marrying and remarrying an unholy number of women, for worldly gain, chastised his children with a mere feather, yet managed to die as a martyr, to uphold the sanctity of marriage? Much like John the Baptist who was beheaded for telling the Roman consul he could not marry his brother's wife after the brother's death?

Jesus will judge all sin, this is what we believe as Christians. I suggest you stop thinking about who has the title of True Christian and not, and instead who is a sinner and not, because that is what Jesus sees and will hold us accountable for, not titles we have given ourselves!

May the Lord bless us all and render justice to the victims of crimes and sin, everywhere!

JBD

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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Jesus doesn't say that nobody should cast stones.
He says that he who is without sin may cast stones.

And friend, he who abides in Jesus Christ is made sinfree (as 1 John 3:5-9 says).
Thus, Jesus expects True Christians(tm) to cast stones. Glory!

[Seth Campbell]

Re: Formal Apology

If doing so was the exact same as being an instrument of God, why did Jesus not let the woman caught in adultery be stoned? Why did he speak to the crowds so they desisted, thus PREVENTING a stoning, and rebuking her with words, but not laying a hand or even a finger on her?

If you read that story fully in John 8, you will notice that she was brought in front of Jesus in order to test him.

6This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.

7So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

So even if he had said that they should stone her, they would of found fault with Jesus. Also with Jesus being God, he is capable of forgiving sins (which we cannot) and he would have known the womans heart (which we cannot). There is the major difference.

He also knew the sinful nature of the men in the crowd. We have been made sin-free through Christs sacrifice.

2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Maybe you should read the New Testament a bit more, and the Old a bit less. And if you have been involved in a crime, in the eyes of Jesus Christ, know that you will be held accountable on the day of judgment if not before, as God works in mysterious ways, and the police have a way of showing up unexpectedly, guided by ordinary Divine Providence, to the residences of sinners. I would worry about both secular and divine punishment, and rightly so, if I were you. Jesus saw everything you did, and if it was wrong, you will burn in hell for it. Trust me, you will.

The police are also known for arresting men for crimes they did not commit. You yourself are accusing him of murdering his wife with absolutely no proof.

Exodus 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

Phebe. I cannot give such an apology until I am sure Cindy Lou has not suffered permanent injuries or scarring, I would just feel sick to my guts doing so if that was/is the case, and even if it were not! And judging by what has been said it might very well be the case, who the hell uses an oar that's similar to a baseball bat - who does that to a loved one?! That's what psycho gangs do, not normal people!!

It is his wife, his business. How a man runs his household is up to him.

Ephesians 5:23-24 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

Did you know that St Thomas Moore, who was beheaded for reproving the King of England for marrying and remarrying an unholy number of women, for worldly gain, chastised his children with a mere feather, yet managed to die as a martyr, to uphold the sanctity of marriage? Much like John the Baptist who was beheaded for telling the Roman consul he could not marry his brother's wife after the brother's death?

Saints? You just can't shake that catholic thing, can you.

Jesus will judge all sin, this is what we believe as Christians. I suggest you stop thinking about who has the title of True Christian and not, and instead who is a sinner and not, because that is what Jesus sees and will hold us accountable for, not titles we have given ourselves!

So only you and Jesus are allowed to judge? What sin has he committed? Where in the Bible does it say not to correct your wife?

May the Lord bless us all and render justice to the victims of crimes and sin, everywhere!

Pretty sure that isn't going to happen on this earth.

[Phebe Carlyle]

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Phebe. I cannot give such an apology until I am sure Cindy Lou has not suffered permanent injuries or scarring, I would just feel sick to my guts doing so if that was/is the case, and even if it were not! And judging by what has been said it might very well be the case, who the hell uses an oar that's similar to a baseball bat - who does that to a loved one?!

Jesper, I can assure you that the only thing that is bruised caused by this situation are the ones Cindy Lou left on Jesus' heart for her blatant disregard of at least one of the 10 commandments! Cindy Lou stole Brother Billy Bob's identity! She claimed to be him!

If anything, Brother Billy Bob did her a favor, as this way she has earnestly repented, told the truth and now her conscience is clear. If it were to be reported to the police and the whole story came out, Cindy Lou could well be jailed for identity theft and have to spend years in jail with lesbeans abound, trying to tempt her into their ways! Would you prefer THAT to have happened?

Just to let you know I spoke with Cindy Lou as I am a woman's couselor and she certainly understands where she went wrong and why Brother BB reacted the way he did. If Brother Billy Bob is the brute you are making him out to be, then we would NEVER have let her on the interwebs in the first place!

That's what psycho gangs do, not normal people!! Did you know that St Thomas Moore, who was beheaded for reproving the King of England for marrying and remarrying an unholy number of women, for worldly gain, chastised his children with a mere feather, yet managed to die as a martyr, to uphold the sanctity of marriage? Much like John the Baptist who was beheaded for telling the Roman consul he could not marry his brother's wife after the brother's death?

I don't care to know about cathlick saint rubbish to be frank. That said please don't taint or tar John The Baptist with the same brush! BTW the above rant has ZERO to do with the Brother Billy Bob/Cindy Lou scenario! He didn't behead her, he chastized her for GOING AGAINST GOD'S WILL!

Gosh it isn't like Brother Billy Bob lead ..oh.. a Spanish Inquisition or an Holcaust like the cathlicks did...

Jesus will judge all sin, this is what we believe as Christians.

Yes, yes indeed. He will and knowing Brother Billy Bob 1000fold better than you do or ever could, and knowing he only acts as God intended, I can accuse you of bearing false witness! How well do you think your discrepencies will go down on Judgement Day, Jesper? Perhaps you too are nothing more than a perpetual sinner, hence siding with one!

I suggest you stop thinking about who has the title of True Christian and not, and instead who is a sinner and not, because that is what Jesus sees and will hold us accountable for, not titles we have given ourselves!

Brother Billy Bob is a True Christian™ because he has proven himself worthy of such title in God's eyes, by his faith IN God and his dedication to EACH AND EVERY word. You however seem to be pecking scripture to fit your own ideals which is AGAINST JESUS!

James

2:1 My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons.

2:2 For if there come unto your assembly a man with a gold ring, in goodly apparel, and there come in also a poor man in vile raiment;

2:3 And ye have respect to him that weareth the gay clothing, and say unto him, Sit thou here in a good place; and say to the poor, Stand thou there, or sit here under my footstool:

2:4 Are ye not then partial in yourselves, and are become judges of evil thoughts?

2:5 Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?

2:6 But ye have despised the poor. Do not rich men oppress you, and draw you before the judgment seats?

2:7 Do not they blaspheme that worthy name by the which ye are called?

2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:

2:9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.

2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

2:13 For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.

2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

2:15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,

2:16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?

2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

2:25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?

2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

AND as you claim to want to live up to the expectations of the NT only and not that of the OT and in fact you tend to ignore the OT, then why are you defying Jesus when He said:

Matthew:

5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

5:21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:

5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment;

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As I don't want to waste more bandwidth, I also suggest you read ALL of Matthew 5 as by your faux reasoning, you ARE going against Jesus' teachings, specifically in regard to your comments about Brother Billy Bob.

Please do not try to teach those of us with MANY years of Bible College up our sleeve the ways, works and words of The Lord.

Your complete and utter disrespect of your betters,( or is more learned in the ways of Christ less offensive to you...) is astounding.

YIC

Mrs Phebe Dewitt.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: Formal Apology

@ Jester

Matthew 19:9 (King James Version)


9And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

I did not put my wife away, meaning, I did not divorce my wife. She was executed. So this passage does not apply to me. Learn to read, son.