[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: Stupid Atheists!

Yes but when I say I exist I am telling you personally I am not telling someone who told someone who told someone who told someone who told someone who told someone who eventually decided to write it down(not forgetting that there would be many more someone's in this chain I just don't know all of them off the top of my head). More importantly there is far more proof that I exist than God. For one I have a birth certificate a driver's license a passport and I am registered for Selective Service. Those are four reasons that anyone in the government knows that I exist. In fact there was proof for me before I could say anything.

The Bible is the very living Word of Jesus.

2nd Timothy 3:16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness"
Deuteronomy 4:2 "Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you."
Revelation 22:18-19 "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."
Psalm 12:6-7 "The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever."

Jesus is literally speaking to us through the Bible: exactly the same as you are speaking to my via the internets.

YIC

[TraumaSandwhich]

Re: Stupid Atheists!

The Bible is the very living Word of Jesus.

2nd Timothy 3:16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness"
Deuteronomy 4:2 "Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you."
Revelation 22:18-19 "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."
Psalm 12:6-7 "The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever."

Jesus is literally speaking to us through the Bible: exactly the same as you are speaking to my via the internets.

YIC

Well that's not true I am telling you what I am saying God uses a few moderators between him and the bible not to mention all of your scripture quotes except the first simply talk about not editing the bible, while the first one says that is profitable for reproof and correction, which is the opposite of the others.

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: Stupid Atheists!

profitable for reproof and correction,

...of sinners.

It must not be changed because it is the very voice of Jesus. Jesus tells us His will via the Bible.

Can't you see that?

YIC

[TraumaSandwhich]

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Thank you for correcting me on that quote I thought it meant the bible. And just because the bible is Jesus' way of telling us his will it cannot be proof that he is who he says he is. If I say that I am a ten foot tall lava eating man(which I am not for the record) and I say well here is my proof that I am and I hand you a book and in that book it says that whatever I say is true, then does that make me a ten foot tall lava eating man?

[Alvin Moss]

Re: Stupid Atheists!

Yes but when I say I exist I am telling you personally I am not telling someone who told someone who told someone who told someone who told someone who told someone who eventually decided to write it down(not forgetting that there would be many more someone's in this chain I just don't know all of them off the top of my head). More importantly there is far more proof that I exist than God. For one I have a birth certificate a driver's license a passport and I am registered for Selective Service. Those are four reasons that anyone in the government knows that I exist. In fact there was proof for me before I could say anything.

So then, your point is that since God didn't register for the draft, had no drivers license or passport and was unknown to the God forsaken Federal Government, that He could not have existed. That is what we call circular reasoning. You are making assumptions and then basing your other assumptions on the first assumptions and citing those assumptions as proof of your later assumptions.

You are another atheist, here to splain it all to us. Many have come before you. All have honored their own intellect and talked down to us Christians, as if we are fools. And yet we have this nifty website and you don't have one at all. You are drawn here by the intense magnatism of God's Truth and yet you are too blind to see it right here before you. We have seen all this many times.

You are a smart atheist, an intellectual in your own mind. Hell is full of smart atheists and there is always plenty of room for more.

God Bless!

[TraumaSandwhich]

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Well thank you for deciding what my argument is(it was wrong but I appreciate the help) my argument was not that "God doesn't exist because the government has no record of him" nor where those examples used to disprove God in any way, if you had read the argument before you would see that I mention those four examples as proving myself as existing outside of me saying I do I did not claim that God does not exist because he is not apart of the draft. For the record there are atheist websites however I see no use in talking to people with eh exact same viewpoints as me in-fact there is a reason not to and it is called polarization. That means that when a group of like minded individuals talk together on a subject in which they all share the same opinion then they only increase their belief sin that and add to their bias I am trying to learn and lessen my biases so instead of being on an atheist website I am here.

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: Stupid Atheists!

Thank you for correcting me on that quote I thought it meant the bible. And just because the bible is Jesus' way of telling us his will it cannot be proof that he is who he says he is. If I say that I am a ten foot tall lava eating man(which I am not for the record) and I say well here is my proof that I am and I hand you a book and in that book it says that whatever I say is true, then does that make me a ten foot tall lava eating man?

I would ask you this: are you perfect? Well Jesus is. Is it more logical to trust a perfect being or a human being (flawed, like all of us)?

I mean no disrespect but Jesus created the whole world in seven days 6500 years ago (or so) so that you and I could live out our lives in fulfilment of His vision.

Do you really have the right to gainsay your creator?

YIC

[Alvin Moss]

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Well thank you for deciding what my argument is(it was wrong but I appreciate the help) my argument was not that "God doesn't exist because the government has no record of him" nor where those examples used to disprove God in any way, if you had read the argument before you would see that I mention those four examples as proving myself as existing outside of me saying I do I did not claim that God does not exist because he is not apart of the draft. For the record there are atheist websites however I see no use in talking to people with eh exact same viewpoints as me in-fact there is a reason not to and it is called polarization. That means that when a group of like minded individuals talk together on a subject in which they all share the same opinion then they only increase their belief sin that and add to their bias I am trying to learn and lessen my biases so instead of being on an atheist website I am here.

You talk like a Jesuit.

[TraumaSandwhich]

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I would ask you this: are you perfect? Well Jesus is. Is it more logical to trust a perfect being or a human being (flawed, like all of us)?

I mean no disrespect but Jesus created the whole world in seven days 6500 years ago (or so) so that you and I could live out our lives in fulfilment of His vision.

Do you really have the right to gainsay your creator?

YIC

No I am not perfect but my point is you are saying the bible is proof because you believe what it says to be true. I don't believe that the historical Jesus(as in the person in the New Testament) was perfect either because I believe the bible to be false. But let's go ahead and for the sake of argument let's say I'm wrong and Jesus created the world the way it says in Genesis. Here are my questions

1. If it took 2 total days to build the earth then why did it take just one day to create the stars because the stars in the universe are vastly larger and measure in the trillions?

2. If you believe in the young earth theory(in other words that the earth is approx. 6,000 years old which it seems that you do but I may be wrong) then how do account for the universe being older, by billions of years, than that especially if God made the earth before the other planets and suns?

3. How was there light before the sun and the stars and if there was where did that light go? And if he had a form of light other than a star why make the stars at all?

[Alvin Moss]

Re: Stupid Atheists!

No I am not perfect but my point is you are saying the bible is proof because you believe what it says to be true. I don't believe that the historical Jesus(as in the person in the New Testament) was perfect either because I believe the bible to be false. But let's go ahead and for the sake of argument let's say I'm wrong and Jesus created the world the way it says in Genesis. Here are my questions

1. If it took 2 total days to build the earth then why did it take just one day to create the stars because the stars in the universe are vastly larger and measure in the trillions?

2. If you believe in the young earth theory(in other words that the earth is approx. 6,000 years old which it seems that you do but I may be wrong) then how do account for the universe being older, by billions of years, than that especially if God made the earth before the other planets and suns?

3. How was there light before the sun and the stars and if there was where did that light go? And if he had a form of light other than a star why make the stars at all?

You make many assumptions and all are incorrect.

1-Full of misconceptions, falsehoods and ridiculous assumptions.
2-The Earth is slightly older than 6,000 years and so is everything else- more of your foolish jumping to conclusions.
3-Your points and questions about why God does what God pleases to do have no bearing on your arguement at all and amount to mindless jibberish.

Your foolish pontificating passes as intellectual intercourse among your unsaved Democrat friends, but saved Christians cannot be so easily fooled.

You will have your part in the Lake of Fire that burns eternally, unless you get right with Jesus, which I shall pray for, but will likely not occur.

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: Stupid Atheists!

No I am not perfect but my point is you are saying the bible is proof because you believe what it says to be true. I don't believe that the historical Jesus(as in the person in the New Testament) was perfect either because I believe the bible to be false. But let's go ahead and for the sake of argument let's say I'm wrong and Jesus created the world the way it says in Genesis. Here are my questions

1. If it took 2 total days to build the earth then why did it take just one day to create the stars because the stars in the universe are vastly larger and measure in the trillions?

2. If you believe in the young earth theory(in other words that the earth is approx. 6,000 years old which it seems that you do but I may be wrong) then how do account for the universe being older, by billions of years, than that especially if God made the earth before the other planets and suns?

3. How was there light before the sun and the stars and if there was where did that light go? And if he had a form of light other than a star why make the stars at all?

1: Stars are very simple. Just a massive amount of hydrogen: one proton. The Earth is full of people, foxes, sea snakes and scorpions. The Earth is far more complicated.

2: The universe appears older. But science cannot prove things 100% as it is by definition tentative.

3: Jesus said "let there be light". He can create light. Heck, people can create light: it does not all come from stars. As to where did the light go? The obvious answer is that it is the CMB. But we cannot say that for sure because that is a departure from the Bible and that is never sound logic.

YIC

[TraumaSandwhich]

Re: Stupid Atheists!

You make many assumptions and all are incorrect.

1-Full of misconceptions, falsehoods and ridiculous assumptions.
2-The Earth is slightly older than 6,000 years and so is everything else- more of your foolish jumping to conclusions.
3-Your points and questions about why God does what God pleases to do have no bearing on your arguement at all and amount to mindless jibberish.

Your foolish pontificating passes as intellectual intercourse among your unsaved Democrat friends, but saved Christians cannot be so easily fooled.

You will have your part in the Lake of Fire that burns eternally, unless you get right with Jesus, which I shall pray for, but will likely not occur.

One I'm a Republican and two if you speak to literally anyone who knows anything about the universe (religious people included) will say that the universe is not 6,000 years old but more in the area of billions of years old. And if my first point is full of falsehoods misconceptions and ridiculous assumptions then enlighten me as to what they are.

[TraumaSandwhich]

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1: Stars are very simple. Just a massive amount of hydrogen: one proton. The Earth is full of people, foxes, sea snakes and scorpions. The Earth is far more complicated.

2: The universe appears older. But science cannot prove things 100% as it is by definition tentative.

3: Jesus said "let there be light". He can create light. Heck, people can create light: it does not all come from stars. As to where did the light go? The obvious answer is that it is the CMB. But we cannot say that for sure because that is a departure from the Bible and that is never sound logic.

YIC

Well you'll notice that God spent another day on the animals a day I did not include in my days the animals and the earth is not more complicated than stars and at the very least other planets. And as far as light is concerned I mean not just little beams I'm talking about light that can make day and night and light up the entire planet. And what is the CMB?

[Alvin Moss]

Re: Stupid Atheists!

One I'm a Republican and two if you speak to literally anyone who knows anything about the universe (religious people included) will say that the universe is not 6,000 years old but more in the area of billions of years old. And if my first point is full of falsehoods misconceptions and ridiculous assumptions then enlighten me as to what they are.

You must be a Log Cabin Republican then.

I will not debate you, as this is not a debate site and our Pastors have forbidden it. However, just to let the air out of your smug stance, where is your proof of this vast universe and these trillions of stars?

You are a devotee of the modern cult of science and that alone will send you to Hell.

Repent your sins and come to Jesus. It's that or Hell.

Don't go there; it's too hot.

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: Stupid Atheists!

And what is the CMB?

Cosmic Microwave Background radiation. When Jesus said "let there be light" this could very well be the remnants that you are looking for.

But it is not supported Biblically so we have to remain skeptical.

How can you say stars are more complicated than animals? What unit of measurement are you using to describe complexity?

YIC