[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: King-James-Only? WRONG!!!!

I have spent the last five years of my life translating the ultimate bible to put an end to all the wrangling over which is best, and thus share father martins sentiments and opinions, which is exactly why i have done my version, among other reasons.

Dare I guess which "ultimate Bible" that is, he who does not bother to capitalize "Bible"?

Clifton, is that you, dear?

[SUV]

Re: King-James-Only? WRONG!!!!

JESUS, that awful Earl "Fatha" Hines is back? Just in time to ruin Christmas. Why aren't my Prayers ever answered?

[DeadMan89]

Re: King-James-Only? WRONG!!!!

Uh, you haven't ever watched these moies, have you.

Your buddy Darth was a tool of satan. Like you, bead counter.

Kind of like how your a tool in general? Whether it's of Satan is up to debate. FYI, Darth Vader himself was the one who killed the Emperor and ended thhe empire, as there was good in him.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: King-James-Only? WRONG!!!!

sweeper wrote:
QUOTE: I have spent the last five years of my life translating the ultimate bible to put an end to all the wrangling

..so have a lot of other people

HERE ARE SOME EXAMPLES OF THE RESULTS


We use the King James Authorized Version of 1611 as the standard here, and I will take Psalm 23 as a well known passage.

PSALM 23 ©1611
1 [A Psalme of Dauid.] The Lord is my shepheard, I shall not want.
2 He maketh me to lie downe in greene pastures: he leadeth mee beside the still waters.
3 He restoreth my soule: he leadeth me in the pathes of righteousnes, for his names sake.
4 Yea though I walke through the valley of the shadowe of death, I will feare no euill: for thou art with me, thy rod and thy staffe, they comfort me.
5 Thou preparest a table before me, in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oyle, my cuppe runneth ouer.
6 Surely goodnes and mercie shall followe me all the daies of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the Lord for euer.


There was a further publication of the King James Bible in 1769, with the spelling updated where necessary, and it is the version most people would be familiar with. Today's spellings are the same, and although we use a simplified, vaguer grammar it is still easy to understand.

PSALM 23 ©1769
1 The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want.
2 He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.
3 He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.
4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.
5 Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.
6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the LORD for ever.


Then people decided they didn't like that sort of a God, and all the distorted, false and outright demonic translations started to arrive.They have been commented on elsewhere, but a swift progression down this path to delusion is clear. Beginning with Bobby McFerrin's "improvements" (sic)

PSALM 23 ©Bobby McFerrin
1 The Lord is my Shepard, I have all I need,
She makes me lie down in green meadows,
Beside the still waters, She will lead.

3 She restores my soul, She rights my wrongs,
She leads me in a path of good things,
And fills my heart with songs.

4 Even though I walk, through a dark and dreary land,
There is nothing that can shake me,
She has said She won't forsake me,
I'm in her hand.

5 She sets a table before me, in the presence of my foes,
She anoints my head with oil,
And my cup overflows.

6 Surely, surely goodness and kindness will follow me,
All the days of my life,
And I will live in her house,
Forever, forever and ever.

Glory be to our Mother, and Daughter,
And to the Holy of Holies,
As it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be,
World, without end. Amen

Once people twig that they can make up any kind of God they like, the sky's the limit! They don't seen to twig that they're careering headlong down the slippery slope to Hell! They can just leave that bit out, I suppose. Anyway, here's the next "updated" Psalm:

PSALM 23 ©sophianetwork
1 The Lord is my mother; I shall not be in want.

She makes me lie down in fresh clean sheets and tucks me in and kisses me goodnight, and while I sleep she sorts everything out, ready for the morning.
She makes me cups of tea and ginger cake when I get home from school, and shepherds pie for supper with plenty of fresh vegetables.

She leads me away from the TV to the kitchen table
where we have space to talk without interruptions.
She listens to even the smallest of my worries and helps me get things in perspective.
She restores my soul.

She guides me through the mysteries of how to be a righteous woman, for her name’s sake.

4 Even though I walk past the bus stop
where the big boys threaten me
and the bitchy girls laugh at me,
I will fear no evil for you are with me.
Your strength beside me and your hand in mine,
they comfort and sustain me.

5 You prepare Sunday lunch for me in the presence of my enemies, to remind me that I’ll always have a place to belong.

You have every confidence in me and my future; you are my champion and my biggest fan.

My life overflows with the love you have given me from my very first breath to my first grey hair and beyond.

6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life and I shall dwell in the house of the Lord forever.


And sure enough, talking about slippery slopes, before you know it they're in deep psychosis and reaching for the vaseline! Here we go then, from Naijapals..

PSALM 23 ©naijapals
1. The Lord na my shephard, i dey Gidibaaa.
2. E make me sidon for where betta dey flow and come put me next to stream make mai bodi thermacool.
3. E panel beat mai soul come spray am white, come dey lead me dey go through express road of righteousness sake of Hin name.
4. Walahi, if I waka pass where arm robber, 419 and juju people boku, come even join okada reach valley of the shadow of death sef, mai bodi dey inside cloth. Your rod and staff nko ? Na so dem dey like back bone dey comfort me.
5. You don prepare Egusi and Pounded yam make I chop. All mai enemies dey look waa waa. You rub me for head wit vaseline intensive lotion. mai cup na River Niger wey
overflow hin bank.
6. True true, betta life and mercy go gum mai back till I quench. And man pikin go tenda for God house from lai lai to lai lai.
GOD ALMIGTHY NA YOU BIKO
AMEN



Standards exist for a reason. The guidance afforded to the apostles, the voice of God heard by the prophets, the visions granted to His servants everywhere are the very antithesis of psychotic delusions such as motivate these "new age" re-interpereters of scripture, and is equally available to us today through the inspiration of those scholars assembled for His purpose to provide Scriptures in the language He has chosen to unify His children.

[Levi Jones]

Re: King-James-Only? WRONG!!!!

I support Farther Thomas Martin as far as his opening thread starter goes. He nailed it with comprehensive dynamic truthful fluency, and facts, and i second his opening thread not knowing anything about the man, this being my first post in these forums.
I have spent the last five years of my life translating the ultimate bible to put an end to all the wrangling over which is best, and thus share father martins sentiments and opinions, which is exactly why i have done my version, among other reasons.
The king James version is merely a revision of other earlier versions which is why it is 80% identical to the earlier Geneva and William tyndale versions. It rides on the back of work achieved by earlier scholars like those who did the Bishops bible, the Coverdale bible, and others.
I can state unequivocally that the king james bible has errors and questionable translation in many verses and also is now long outdated in it's use of 4 hundred year old English language, and my version revises it and fixes the problem beautifully. I better say my earlier statement again-five years now i've been doing it! You can bet your life on it that someone has finally nailed it.

Let's look into your post a bit more.

Yeah, you really agree with Mr. Martin. You believe the Latin Vulgate is the ultimate authority.

According to you, the KJV is a derivative of other English translations. Well, gosh I don't know how that could have happened, butterscotch.

Maybe because they translated from the same sources? Did that ever cross your noggin?

my version revises it and fixes the problem beautifully. I better say my earlier statement again-five years now i've been doing it! You can bet your life on it that someone has finally nailed it.

Of course you have, sweetcheeks. I should take your word over hundreds of years of textual criticism.

[sweeper]

Re: King-James-Only? WRONG!!!!

I support Farther Thomas Martin as far as his opening thread starter goes. He nailed it with comprehensive dynamic truthful fluency, and facts, and i second his opening thread not knowing anything about the man, this being my first post in these forums.
I have spent the last five years of my life translating the ultimate bible to put an end to all the wrangling over which is best, and thus share father martins sentiments and opinions, which is exactly why i have done my version, among other reasons.
The king James version is merely a revision of other earlier versions which is why it is 80% identical to the earlier Geneva and William tyndale versions. It rides on the back of work achieved by earlier scholars like those who did the Bishops bible, the Coverdale bible, and others.
I can state unequivocally that the king james bible has errors and questionable translation in many verses and also is now long outdated in it's use of 4 hundred year old English language, and my version revises it and fixes the problem beautifully. I better say my earlier statement again-five years now i've been doing it! You can bet your life on it that someone has finally nailed it.

[Brother Temperance]

Re: King-James-Only? WRONG!!!!

Ya know, the KJV1611 has all the Deuterocanonical books...It's the modern KJV that took them out!

Show me one KJV 1611 that has the Deuterocanonical books in. I'm waiting.

[Father Thomas Martin]

Re: King-James-Only? WRONG!!!!

Father Martin,

There’s a True Christian™ inside you trying to get out. But your wages and house depend on towing the party line.

The learned way you lay those nice words out on the page tends to make me think there’s more than a bit of Jesuit* in you.

The point of the KJV is that it nearer the source than any other English text. It reflects, in all its glory the society and morality of the time and does not bow down to dumbing down and tree-hugging friends of the Whale to make it more “acceptable.” Nor does it lessen the mighty impact of the True Word™ of The Lord.

I suggest a reading of the preface of the KJV – a more honourable set of scholars have never been brought together before or since.

All these, soft translations that followed to please man’s idea of how God should be are rubbish. Why, I read recently that some translator translated the original word “virgin” in respect of Mary as “maiden” in the sense of “young girl” – no virgin birth for you then and no point in all those idols.

Now I’m sure that the vicar of Rome would not approve that. So, we see that what appears in each and every subsequent translation of the Bible changes to fit the times and politics of those in power.

Strangely God does not change; only once in the Bible does He regret His actions 1Sa:15:35 but He changes nothing.

Which texts from which the Bible was composed are of the greatest value? Why the early ones, and the earlier the better.

So, when we want authority of God’s word, the KJV Bible lets us have the earliest written in God’s English.

* What is similar about the Jesuit and Dominican Orders?
Well, they were both founded by Spaniards, St. Dominic for the Dominicans, and St. Ignatius of Loyola for the Jesuits.
They were also both founded to combat heresy: the Dominicans to fight the Albigensians, and the Jesuits to fight the Protestants.
What is different about the Jesuit and Dominican Orders?
Well, have you met any Albigensians lately?


Amen


Bathfire E

Ya know, the KJV1611 has all the Deuterocanonical books...It's the modern KJV that took them out!

[JennyD]

Re: King-James-Only? WRONG!!!!

You do realize that Star-Wars is a fictional movie right? A crappy fictional movie at that. I'm not doubting your agruement, mind you. In fact I agree there is only one Bible. But did you have to put star wars into this? :| Compare it to something else. Once again I agree, but the verbal weapon choice was....bleh.

Excuse me, Kirby Vacuum Cleaner, but Mother Thomas Martin is the one who brought Star Wars into the discussion. Kindly re-read the final sentences of the original post.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: King-James-Only? WRONG!!!!

You do realize that Star-Wars is a fictional movie right? A crappy fictional movie at that. I'm not doubting your agruement, mind you. In fact I agree there is only one Bible. But did you have to put star wars into this? :| Compare it to something else. Once again I agree, but the verbal weapon choice was....bleh.

You are aware of the resemblance of Pope Benedict to Emperor Palatine in Star Wars?

[Kerby316]

Re: King-James-Only? WRONG!!!!

First, you plagiarize a pile of claptrap from some papist website, then you suddenly become "Darth Vader" and order us imprisoned? I suppose you imagine this to be devastatingly impressive....

At least you have us on the correct sides in your ridiculous little fantasy, "father darth".

You do realize that Star-Wars is a fictional movie right? A crappy fictional movie at that. I'm not doubting your agruement, mind you. In fact I agree there is only one Bible. But did you have to put star wars into this? :| Compare it to something else. Once again I agree, but the verbal weapon choice was....bleh.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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Father Martin,

There’s a True Christian™ inside you trying to get out. But your wages and house depend on towing the party line.

The learned way you lay those nice words out on the page tends to make me think there’s more than a bit of Jesuit* in you.

The point of the KJV is that it nearer the source than any other English text. It reflects, in all its glory the society and morality of the time and does not bow down to dumbing down and tree-hugging friends of the Whale to make it more “acceptable.” Nor does it lessen the mighty impact of the True Word™ of The Lord.

I suggest a reading of the preface of the KJV – a more honourable set of scholars have never been brought together before or since.

All these, soft translations that followed to please man’s idea of how God should be are rubbish. Why, I read recently that some translator translated the original word “virgin” in respect of Mary as “maiden” in the sense of “young girl” – no virgin birth for you then and no point in all those idols.

Now I’m sure that the vicar of Rome would not approve that. So, we see that what appears in each and every subsequent translation of the Bible changes to fit the times and politics of those in power.

Strangely God does not change; only once in the Bible does He regret His actions 1Sa:15:35 but He changes nothing.

Which texts from which the Bible was composed are of the greatest value? Why the early ones, and the earlier the better.

So, when we want authority of God’s word, the KJV Bible lets us have the earliest written in God’s English.

* What is similar about the Jesuit and Dominican Orders?
Well, they were both founded by Spaniards, St. Dominic for the Dominicans, and St. Ignatius of Loyola for the Jesuits.
They were also both founded to combat heresy: the Dominicans to fight the Albigensians, and the Jesuits to fight the Protestants.
What is different about the Jesuit and Dominican Orders?
Well, have you met any Albigensians lately?


Amen


Bathfire E

[Joe the Atheist]

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You say you are true Christians-you are part of the Rebel Alliance and a traitor. Take them away!

Hey Father Martin. Can I take your statements as a confirmation of this story?

The new Pope Benedict XVI seems to bear more than a passing resemblance to Emperor Palpatine from the Star Wars movies, in fact some suggest he might even be Emperor Palpatine, and this is just his latest scheme for galactic domination.

I'm just kidding around. Getting back on topic, this page lists various revisions of the KJV.

My favorite one is the 1763 KJV, where Psalm 14:1 says "the fool hath said in his heart there is a God."

--Joe

[Father Thomas Martin]

Re: King-James-Only? WRONG!!!!

Uh, you haven't ever watched these moies, have you.

Your buddy Darth was a tool of satan. Like you, bead counter.

I hope you cen team up with me in outsting Emperor Pastor-Deacon Fred. Then together we can rule the city of Freehold as Father and Separated Brother!

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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"Father" Martian seems to have conveniently overlooked THIS recent sermon of mine. I think I summed it up nicely.