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  • Pastor Ezekiel
    Putting the "stud" back in Bible Study
     
    • Sep 2006
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    A Message of Baptist Love

    Praise Jesus, those Southern Baptists do try and get it right. They are usually too libral for my taste, but HERE Rev. Clippard seems to have hit the mudslime on the head.

    Muslims trying to take over America!
    St. Louis Post-Dispatch, USA
    Nov. 1, 2006
    Tim Townsend

    CAPE GIRARDEAU — The prophets of the Holy Scriptures are known for their warnings of doom and gloom, but even Jeremiah — arguably the gloomiest Old Testament sage — would have tipped his hat to the Rev. David Clippard at the Missouri Baptist Convention’s annual meeting here this week.

    Clippard reserved his strongest words for what he said he considered paramount for all Americans: the threat of Islam. “Today, Islam has a strategic plan to defeat and occupy America,” he told the 1,200-strong crowd of delegates (called “messengers”), pastors and lay people, many of whom cheered his words.

    Clippard said the Saudi Arabian government and royal family had funded teaching positions and 138 Muslim student centers on university campuses across the United States, three in the University of Missouri system in Columbia, Rolla and St. Louis. “What they are after is your sons and daughters,” Clippard said. “They are coming to this country in the guise of students, and the Saudi government is paying their expenses.”

    Clippard said that Muslims were hoping to take over the United States government one city at a time, and that they were starting with Detroit, where there is already a large Muslim population.

    “They are trying to establish a Muslim state inside America, and they are going to take the city of Detroit back to the 15th century and practice Sharia (or Islamic) law there.”

    In an interview Tuesday, Clippard said he believed the Islamic “strategy for taking over America” was to wait until there was a Muslim majority here and then “eradicate those who don’t conform to their religion.”

    On Monday night, he told the crowd that “your freedom is on the floor with their foot on it, with their sword raised, and if you don’t convert, your head comes off.”

    Usama K. Dakdok, an Egyptian Christian and founder of Straight Way Ministry who calls himself a “Muslim evangelism specialist,” said Tuesday that “every word (Clippard) said is true. It’s time for us to wake up. They are not here to be in our welfare system, they are here to take over our country.”

    Clippard said Tuesday that his message was really about love.

    “I don’t hate Islamic people,” he said. “We need to love these folks, go after them and love them, one at a time. We need to crucify them with Christ.”
    Who Will Jesus Damn?

    Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:

    Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)

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  • Eye of the Beholder
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    • Nov 2006
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    #2
    Re: A Message of Baptist Love

    It's common knowledge that the West and our beliefs are not held in very high regard by many Islamists. I believe that those who seek to destroy us because of our values are nothing more than, what I call, Islamofascists. They don't follow the teachings of their prophet properly.

    True people of Islam are peaceful, tolerant and loving. As are true Christians.

    Islam recognizes Christianity as a true religion, as well as Judaism. Those bastards that we see and hear on the television who call for our destruction are not true people of Islam.

    I gotta admit though, that last quote in bold made me laugh. I wish I knew that one while in Afghanistan. Believe me, I helped usher some of them to hell, but everyday I thank God that they weren't true Islamists.

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    • Glendora Christianson
      Spiritual Mother of LBC
      True Christian™
      • Sep 2006
      • 2329

      #3
      Re: A Message of Baptist Love

      Originally posted by Eye of the Beholder View Post
      True people of Islam are peaceful, tolerant and loving. As are true Christians.
      Then they must be inviting us to coffee instead of threatening to kill us?

      Unto Him is the return of all of you; it is a promise of Allah in truth. Lo! He produceth creation, then reproduceth it, that He may reward those who believe and do good works with equity; while, as for those who disbelieve, theirs will be a boiling drink and painful doom because they disbelieved. 10 Jonah 10:4 - Quran
      Jesus - gentle, dependable overnight relief.

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      • Brother MoJo
        Soldier of God
        Forum Member
        • Sep 2006
        • 106

        #4
        Re: A Message of Baptist Love

        Originally posted by Eye of the Beholder View Post
        It's common knowledge that the West and our beliefs are not held in very high regard by many Islamists. I believe that those who seek to destroy us because of our values are nothing more than, what I call, Islamofascists. They don't follow the teachings of their prophet properly.

        True people of Islam are peaceful, tolerant and loving. As are true Christians.

        Islam recognizes Christianity as a true religion, as well as Judaism. Those bastards that we see and hear on the television who call for our destruction are not true people of Islam.

        I gotta admit though, that last quote in bold made me laugh. I wish I knew that one while in Afghanistan. Believe me, I helped usher some of them to hell, but everyday I thank God that they weren't true Islamists.
        Friend, this is not the FOX forums- please keep your liberal O'Reilly babble off of our boards.

        All Mudslimes are the same, there's no variations, there's no good-ol' boy "normal" camel jockies- they're all crazy sand-monkeys that enjoy wearing dynamite vests.

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        • Eye of the Beholder
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          • Nov 2006
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          #5
          Re: A Message of Baptist Love

          Originally posted by Brother Muhammed Kijo View Post
          Friend, this is not the FOX forums- please keep your liberal O'Reilly babble off of our boards.

          All Mudslimes are the same, there's no variations, there's no good-ol' boy "normal" camel jockies- they're all crazy sand-monkeys that enjoy wearing dynamite vests.
          Kind of like you're crazy rhetoric?

          Those people that you speak of are NOT true people of Islam. Kind of like how you are not a true Christian.

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          • Eye of the Beholder
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            #6
            Re: A Message of Baptist Love

            By the way Brother Muhammed, why would you use the name of the Islamic prophet when you oppose them so vehemently?

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            • Pastor Al E Pistle
              Christ's Cōnsiliārius
               
              • Sep 2006
              • 9323

              #7
              Re: A Message of Baptist Love

              Originally posted by Eye of the Beholder View Post
              Kind of like you're crazy rhetoric?

              Those people that you speak of are NOT true people of Islam. Kind of like how you are not a true Christian.
              No, like YOUR crazy rhetoric. 'Your. Not 'you're'.

              We ARE TRUE CHRISTIANS(TM) BECAUSE WE FOLLOW THE LETTER OF THE BIBLE, not some John 3:16 peace and love nonsense.
              Emeritus Professor of the Christ Jesus Chair of Theology at Landover Baptist University.
              "God loves you. Let us arrange for you to meet Him".
              Break their teeth, O God, in their mouth.--Psalms 58:6


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              • Eye of the Beholder
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                Re: A Message of Baptist Love

                Originally posted by Pastor Al E Pistle View Post
                No, like YOUR crazy rhetoric. 'Your. Not 'you're'..
                Thanks for the spelling/grammar lesson...lol. I must admit, I don't usually makes such silly errors, but I do appreciate the being made aware of a mistake.

                Originally posted by Pastor Al E Pistle View Post
                We ARE TRUE CHRISTIANS(TM) BECAUSE WE FOLLOW THE LETTER OF THE BIBLE, not some John 3:16 peace and love nonsense.
                So you pick and choose which passages to believe? I don't exactly know what you mean. You say you follow the letter of the bible, but then you say that John 3:16 is nonsense.

                For those who may not know this passage (as I see there are non-christians who frequent this site) the passage reads as follows:
                "For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life."
                Or something to that effect.

                What's so nonsensical about this passage?

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                • Pastor Al E Pistle
                  Christ's Cōnsiliārius
                   
                  • Sep 2006
                  • 9323

                  #9
                  Re: A Message of Baptist Love

                  Originally posted by Eye of the Beholder View Post
                  Thanks for the spelling/grammar lesson...lol. I must admit, I don't usually makes such silly errors, but I do appreciate the being made aware of a mistake.

                  You are welcome. We all do it.


                  So you pick and choose which passages to believe?

                  No, we say that ALL of the Bible must be weighed equally.


                  I don't exactly know what you mean. You say you follow the letter of the bible, but then you say that John 3:16 is nonsense.

                  I didn't say that. What I said is that many 'New Wave' Christians go to church and their pastor only teaches them the things that make them feel good and that is usually because happy people drop more in the collection plate. Here are some examples of things you might hear in a John 3:16 sermon. I am sorry if this is a bit long, but most FALSE CHRISTIAN churches only teach about 300 verses in the Bible, mostly these and the ones concerning homosexuality, out of more than thirty THOUSAND verses,
                  Our point is that you simply cannot toss out nine-tenths of the Bible and call yourself a Christian. You must accept ALL of it, not just the parts you like. People are taught that JESUS is coming back to make peace and everyone will get along. That's where the WWJD business came from. But JESUS is returning with a sword to lead the faithful in the final fight. It is clearly explained in Revelations, but people just don't want to believe it.

                  I apologize for the formatting. This is from an old file and I have not modernized it.


                  Exodus
                  • "Honor thy father and thy mother." 20:12
                  • "Thou shalt not kill." 20:13
                  • "Thou shalt not commit adultery." 20:14
                  • "Thou shalt not steal." 20:15
                  • "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour." 20:16
                  • Be kind to strangers, widows, and fatherless children. 22:21-22
                  • Value the truth; don't lie. 23:1
                  • Don't do what everyone else does, if what they do is wrong. 23:2
                  • Be kind to your enemies. Do good to those who hate you. 23:4-5
                  • Treat the poor fairly. 23:6
                  • Be honest. Don't kill the innocent. 23:7
                  • Don't mistreat strangers. 23:9
                  • Every seventh year the Israelites were to leave their fields unharvested, so that the poor would have something to eat. 23:11
                  Leviticus
                  • What is stolen or wrongfully acquired should be returned to the owner. 6:2-5
                  • Leave some grapes on the vine for travelers and the poor. 19:10
                  • Don't steal or lie 19:11, 13
                  • "Thou shalt not curse the deaf, nor put a stumbling block before the blind." 19:14
                  • Don't gossip. 19:16
                  • Don't hate people. 19:17
                  • "Love thy neighbor as thyself." 19:18
                  • Respect your elders. 19:32
                  • Be kind to strangers. 19:33-34
                  • Treat others fairly. Don't cheat. 19:35-36
                  • To help feed the poor and strangers, farmers should not harvest the corners of their fields. 23:22
                  • "Proclaim liberty throughout all the land unto all the inhabitants thereof." 25:10
                  • Do not oppress one another. 25:17
                  Deuteronomy
                  • "Honor thy father and thy mother." 5:16
                  • "Thou shalt not kill." 5:17
                  • Don't commit adultery. 5:18
                  • Don't steal. 5:19
                  • Don't lie. 5:20
                  • "Love ye therefore the stranger: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt." 10:19
                  • Help the poor. 15:7-8
                  • Judges and officers should strive to be impartial and should never take a bribe. 16:18-19
                  • Look out for your neighbor's animals and protect them from harm. 22:1-4
                  • Be careful when making a roof to ensure that no one falls off the edge. 22:8
                  • Don't return runaway slaves to their masters. Let them live with you in peace and freedom. 23:15-16
                  • Do not oppress the poor, whether they be slaves, neighbors, or strangers. 24:14-15
                  • "It shall be for the stranger, for the fatherless, and for the widow."
                    Be kind to widows, orphans, fatherless children and strangers. Share whatever you have with them. 24:17-21
                  • "Thou shalt not muzzle the ox when he treadeth out the corn." Let the animal eat while it works. 25:4
                  • Take care of those who need help. 26:12-13
                  Job
                  • "He that goeth down to the grave shall come up no more." 7:7-9
                  • Job says that humans perish at death like their own dung. Well, one might fault him for his choice of words, but the idea seems sound enough. 20:7
                  Psalms
                  • "Blessed is he that considereth the poor." 41:1
                  • "Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy. Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked." Though this seems to be directed at other gods, it is good advice for humans as well. 82:3-4
                  • "The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence." 115:17
                  Proverbs
                  • "My son, hear the instruction of thy father, and forsake not the law of thy mother." 1:8
                  • A beautiful proverb about mercy and truth. 3:3
                  • Wisdom and understanding lead to happiness. 3:13
                  • "Withhold not good from them to whom it is due, when it is in the power of thine hand to do it." 3:27
                  • Help your neighbor, if you can. 3:28
                  • Don't devise plots against your neighbor, fight without cause, or imitate an oppressor. 3:29-31
                  • "Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding." 4:7
                  • Speak plainly and honestly to others. 4:24
                  • "Rejoice with the wife of thy youth.... Let her breasts satisfy thee at all times; and be thou ravished always with her love." 5:18-19
                  • Wisdom is better than wealth. Nothing else compares with it. 8:11
                  • "A wise son maketh a glad father." 10:1, 23:24, 29:3
                  • "Hatred stirreth up strifes: but love covereth all sins." 10:12
                  • "When pride cometh, then cometh shame." 11:2
                  • "The merciful man doeth good to his own soul: but he that is cruel troubleth his own flesh." Okay, I don't know about the soul stuff, but I like the general idea. 11:17
                  • "He that troubleth his own house shall inherit the wind." A nice thought and a great movie. 11:29
                  • "Whoso loveth instruction loveth knowledge." 12:1
                  • Be kind to animals. (Don't eat them.) 12:10
                  • "The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that hearkeneth unto counsel is wise." 12:15
                  • "The lip of truth shall be established for ever: but a lying tongue is but for a moment." 12:19
                  • "A wise son heareth his father's instruction." 13:1
                  • "A righteous man hateth lying." 13:5
                  • "Every prudent man dealeth with knowledge: but a fool layeth open his folly." 13:16
                  • Some nice proverbs about wisdom, anger, mercy and folly. 14:7-8, 14:16-18, 14:21-22, 29, 16:21-22
                  • "The simple believeth every word." I wonder if this would apply to the fundamentalists who believe every word of the Bible. 14:15
                  • "The poor is hated even of his own neighbour: but the rich hath many friends." Can't argue with this one. 14:20
                  • "A soft answer turneth away wrath." 15:1
                  • Some good remarks about wisdom. 15:2, 7
                  • "Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall." 16:18
                  • Don't gossip about others. Avoid saying hurtful things. 16:28
                  • "A merry heart doeth good like a medicine." 17:22
                  • "Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise: and he that shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of understanding." 17:28
                  • "A fool hath no delight in understanding" and his "mouth is his destruction." 18:2, 7
                  • "He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him." 18:13
                  • Be careful how you speak; words can do great damage. 21:23
                  • "A good name is rather to be chosen than great riches." 22:1
                  • "Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it." 22:6
                  • "He that hath a bountiful eye shall be blessed; for he giveth of his bread to the poor." 22:9
                  • Don't rob the poor or oppress the afflicted. 22:22
                  • "Speak not in the ears of a fool: for he will despise the wisdom of thy words." 23:9
                  • "Apply thine heart unto instruction, and thine ears to the words of knowledge." 23:12
                  • "Hearken unto thy father that begat thee, and despise not thy mother when she is old." 23:22
                  • Find the truth and hang on to it; Value wisdom, instruction, and understanding 23:23
                  • "Rejoice not when thine enemy falleth, and let not thine heart be glad when he stumbleth." 24:17
                  • "Be not a witness against thy neighbour without cause; and deceive not with thy lips." 24:28
                  • "Say not, I will do so to him as he hath done to me: I will render to the man according to his work." 24:29
                  • "If thine enemy be hungry, give him bread to eat; and if he be thirsty, give him water to drink." 25:21
                  • "Seest thou a man wise in his own conceit? there is more hope of a fool than of him." 26:12
                  • "As the door turneth upon his hinges, so doth the slothful upon his bed." 26:14
                  • "Boast not thyself of to morrow; for thou knowest not what a day may bring forth." 27:1
                  • "Let another man praise thee, and not thine own mouth; a stranger, and not thine own lips." 27:2
                  • "Be thou diligent to know the state of thy flocks, and look well to thy herds." Take care of your animals. 27:23
                  • "A man that flattereth his neighbour spreadeth a net for his feet." 29:5
                  • "The righteous considereth the cause of the poor: but the wicked regardeth not to know it." 29:7
                  • "A man's pride shall bring him low: but honour shall uphold the humble in spirit." 29:23
                  • As a sailor and birdwatcher, I agree with this proverb that says that the way a ship sails and an eagle flies are two of the most wonderful things. 30:18-19
                  • "Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts. Let him drink, and forget his poverty, and remember his misery no more." 31:6-7
                  Ecclesiastes
                  • "The place from whence the rivers come, thither they return again."
                    Good description of the water cycle. 1:7
                  • Wisdom is better than folly, but the same fate awaits us all. 2:13-14
                  • "There is nothing better for a man, than that he should eat and drink, and that he should make his soul enjoy good in his labour." 2:24
                  • "To everything there is a season...." Some nice poetry and a great Byrds song. ("Turn, Turn, Turn" -- written by Pete Seeger) 3:1-8
                  • Strive to do good in this life. You only get one chance. 3:12
                  • Eat, drink, and enjoy the good of your labor. 3:13
                  • Men and animals both die and their spirits don't survive death. "A man hath no pre-eminence above a beast ... All goeth unto one place ... Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?" 3:19-21
                  • "Wherefore I perceive that there is nothing better, than that a man should rejoice in his own works." 3:22
                  • "Two are better than one" -- the value of friendship. 4:9-12
                  • "Better is a poor and a wise child than an old and foolish king." 4:13
                  • "A fool's voice is known by multitude of words." 5:3
                  • Greedy folks are never satisfied. 5:10
                  • "As he came forth of his mother's womb, naked shall he return to go as he came, and shall take nothing of his labour, which he may carry away in his hand." 5:15
                  • "It is good and comely for one to eat and to drink, and to enjoy the good of all his labour that he taketh under the sun all the days of his life." 5:18
                  • No one knows what happens after we die and no one can tell another how to live. 6:12
                  • "A good name is better than precious ointment." 7:1
                  • "It is better to hear the rebuke of the wise, than for a man to hear the song of fools." 7:5
                  • "The patient in spirit is better than the proud in spirit." 7:8
                  • "Be not hasty in thy spirit to be angry: for anger resteth in the bosom of fools." 7:9
                  • Don't waste time thinking about "the good old days." 7:10
                  • Don't pay attention to everything people say. 7:21
                  • Always strive "to know, and to search; and to seek out wisdom, and the reasonableness of things." 7:25
                  • There is nothing better for us to do than "to eat, to drink, and to be merry." 8:15
                  • The same death comes to us all, the good and the bad alike. 9:2-3
                  • As long as we are alive there is hope. After that there is nothing. "A live dog is better than a dead lion." 9:4
                  • Dead people know nothing and receive no reward. 9:5
                  • "Go thy way, eat thy bread with joy, and drink thy wine with a merry heart." 9:7
                  • "Live joyfully with the wife whom thou lovest." 9:9
                  • "Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might," because dead people don't work and they know nothing 9:10
                  • Human life is subject to indifferent laws and random events -- just like the lives of other animals. 9:11-12
                  • Wisdom, though often ignored and despised, is better than strength. 9:16-17
                  • "Wisdom is profitable to direct." 10:10
                  • "The words of a wise man's mouth are gracious; but the lips of a fool will swallow up himself." 10:12
                  • "A fool also is full of words." 10:14
                  • "Cast thy bread upon the waters: for thou shalt find it after many days." I don't know what this means, but it sure sounds cool. 11:1
                  • However long you may live, enjoy your life to the fullest. But do not forget the dark days and know that the end is both certain and final. 11:8
                  • "Walk in the ways of thine heart, and in the sight of thine eyes." 11:9
                  • "Much study is a weariness of the flesh." 12:12
                  Isaiah
                  • "Cease to do evil; learn to do well ... relieve the oppressed ... plead for the widow." 1:16-17
                  • "Come now, let us reason together." 1:18
                  • "And they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more." Well, it's a nice thought, but Joel 3:10 says just the opposite. But what do you expect from a "God of Peace" (Rom.15:33, Heb.13:20) who calls himself a "man of war"? (Ex.15:3) 2:4
                  • "The liberal deviseth liberal things; and by liberal things shall he stand." -- A Bible verse for Howard Dean and the US Democratic Party! 32:8
                  • "All flesh is grass."
                    Since all animals, including humans, survive by eating plants or other animals that have eaten plants, it is true that "all flesh is grass." 40:6
                  • This verse appear to condemn slavery. However the bible is far from clear on this issue. 58:6
                  • Feed the hungry, house the homeless, clothe the naked. 58:7, 10
                  • "He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man." 66:3
                  Jeremiah
                  • Defend the helpless and oppressed; don't harm strangers, widows, orphans, or other innocent people. 22:3
                  • Pay a fair wage to your employees. 22:13
                  Hosea
                  • "For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice." 6:6
                  Micah
                  • "They shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more." Well, it's a nice thought, but Joel 3:10 says just the opposite. But what do you expect from a "God of Peace" (Rom.15:33, Heb.13:20) who calls himself a "man of war"? (Ex.15:3) 4:3
                  • "O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?" 6:8
                    (Well, it's a nice thought, but there are a few things more that Micah forgot to mention. Like you must believe certain unlikely things or you will be tormented forever in hell (Mk.16:16, Jn.3:18, 36); you must kill witches Ex.22:18, homosexuals Lev.20:13, those who believe differently than you Dt.13:6-10, disobedient children Dt.21:18-21, etc.6:8)
                  Zechariah
                  • "Execute true judgment, and shew mercy and compassions every man to his brother: And oppress not the widow, nor the fatherless, the stranger, nor the poor; and let none of you imagine evil against his brother in your heart." 7:9-10
                  • "These are the things that ye shall do; Speak ye every man the truth to his neighbour; execute the judgment of truth and peace in your gates: And let none of you imagine evil in your hearts against his neighbour; and love no false oath." 8:16-17
                  Malachi
                  • "Let none deal treacherously against the wife of his youth." 2:15
                  • God disapproves of adultery, lying, oppressing workers, and mistreating widows, orphans, and strangers. 3:5
                  Matthew
                  • "Love your enemies." Well, it's a nice thought. But it seems strange coming from someone who damns his enemies to hell. (Mark 16:16) 5:44
                  • Don't brag about the good things that you do. 6:1-3
                  • Jesus tells his disciples not to pray in public. Those who favor school prayer, National Day of Prayer, etc. should take his advice. 6:5-6
                  • "Consider the lilies of the field...." A nice analogy, good advice (unless you live in cold climates), and a great movie. 6:28
                  • "Judge not, that ye be not judged." 7:1
                  • Avoid hypocrisy. Consider your own faults rather than criticizing others. 7:3-4
                  • "Whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them." 7:12
                  • Forgive those who repeatedly offend you. 18:21-22
                  • Jesus lists the "ten commandments," but his list has only six, and the sixth is not one of the ten. The commandments given by Jesus are secular, not religious, in nature. 19:18
                  • Jesus quotes Lev.19:18: "Love thy neighbor as thyself." This is by far the best verse in Leviticus, and one of the best in the entire bible. 22:39
                  • "For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in." 25:35
                  • "All they that take the sword shall perish with the sword." 26:52
                  Mark
                  • When Jesus lists the "ten" commandments, he only mentions five -- the humanistic ones that make no mention of God. He also gives one that is not included in the so-called ten commandments: "defraud not." Just where he got this one is anyone's guess. 10:19
                  • "Love thy neighbor as thyself." 12:31
                  Luke
                  • Do violence to no man, neither accuse any falsely. 3:14
                  • Love you enemies; do good to those who hate you. 6:27
                  • The Golden Rule: Treat others as you would like to be treated. 6:31-34
                  • "Love your enemies." Well, it's a nice thought. But it seems strange coming from someone who damns his enemies to hell. (Mk.16:16) 6:35
                  • "Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful." Well I'm glad Jesus thinks we should be merciful. But the Old Testament God is a strange role model for mercy! (See 1 Sam.15:2-3 for an example of the OT God's mercy.) 6:36
                  • Don't judge or condemn others. Forgive those who have offended you. 6:37
                  • Jesus warns against hypocrisy. The Christian right should pay more attention to this verse. 6:41
                  • Love thy neighbor as thyself. 10:27
                  • The story of the good Samaritan gets my vote for the best bible story. We should all "go and do likewise." 10:30-37
                  • From his comments on the widow's mites, it appears that Jesus, contrary to today's Christian right, favored progressive taxation. 21:1-3
                  John
                  • Jesus tells those who'd like to stone to death an adulteress that whoever among them that is without sin should "cast the first stone." Good advice -- but it directly contradicts the teachings of the Old Testament (Lev.20:20). If that wasn't a good law then why did God make it? Has he since changed his mind? Shouldn't it then be removed (along with most of the OT) from the bible? 8:7
                  • "The truth shall make you free." 8:32
                  • "Love one another." 13:34
                  • "This is my commandment, That ye love one another." If this is what it takes to be a Christian, then count me in. Unfortunately, Christians often take Jesus' commandment to mean that Christians should love other, like minded, Christians, and to hell with everybody else. 15:12, 17
                  • Pilate asked Jesus a very good question: "What is truth?" 18:38
                  Acts
                  • It's better to give than to receive. (Jesus didn't say it, but it's a nice thought anyway.) 20:35
                  Romans
                  • Although it isn't entirely clear to me, Paul seems to be saying that it is wrong to lie, even when it produces a good result. The ends do not justify the means. 3:7-8
                  • Let your love be genuine. Do good; avoid evil. 12:9
                  • Be kind to others. 12:10
                  • Show empathy toward others. 12:15
                  • Associate with the lowly. Don't pretend to be wiser than you are. 12:16
                  • Don't return evil for evil. 12:17
                  • Try to "live peaceably with all men." 12:18
                  • Be kind to your enemies. Overcome evil with good. 12:19-21
                  • Love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. 13:8
                  • "If there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself." 13:9-10
                  • Be honest; avoid drunkenness. 13:13
                  • "Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind." 14:5
                  • Don't judge other people or cause them to fall. 14:13
                  • "Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another." 14:19
                  1 Corinthians
                  • Husbands and wives should be kind to each other. 7:3
                  • Love is a good thing. 8:1
                  • Some nice thoughts about love (or charity). 13:4-6
                  • "Put away childish things." (Like believing in the bible?) 13:11
                  • Speak clearly. Too bad the whole Bible doesn't follow this principle. 14:8-9
                  • "Be not children in understanding." 14:20
                  • Do all things with love. 16:14
                  Galatians
                  • "By love serve one another." 5:13
                  • "Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself." 5:14
                  • "Love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, ... meekness, temperance: against such there is no law." 5:22
                  • Don't be conceited or envious of others. 5:26
                  • Forgive others. Someday you might make a mistake, too. 6:1
                  • Bear one another's burdens. 6:2
                  Ephesians
                  • Don't lie. Speak the truth to your neighbor. 4:25
                  • "Let not the sun go down upon your wrath." 4:26
                  • Don't steal, but rather work so that you will have something to give to those who are in need. 4:28
                  • "Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying." 4:29
                  • Be kind and forgiving to one another. 4:31-32
                  • Love your wife as yourself. 5:33
                  Philippians
                  • Don't fight, be humble, and look after the needs of others. 2:3-4
                  • "Whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things." 4:8
                  Colossians
                  • Avoid anger, wrath, and malice. 3:8
                  • Don't lie. 3:9
                  • Be merciful, kind, humble, and forgiving toward one another. 3:12-13
                  • "Husbands, love your wives." 3:19
                  • "Fathers, provoke not your children to anger, lest they be discouraged." 3:21
                  • "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man." 4:6
                  1 Thessalonians
                  • "Comfort the feebleminded, support the weak, be patient toward all men." 5:14
                  • Don't return evil for evil, but be good to yourselves and all others. 5:15
                  • "Prove all things; hold fast to what is good." 5:21
                  1 Timothy
                  • "Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies." If we follow this advice we would ignore most of the Bible -- especially the genealogies found in Gen.10, 1 Chr.1-9, Mt.1, and Lk.3. 1:4
                  • Paul says to "refuse ... old wives' fables." What about old husbands' fables? Old Bible fables? 4:7
                  • "We brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out." 6:7
                  2 Timothy
                  • Be gentle and patient with all others. 2:24
                  Titus
                  • Disregard "Jewish fables and commandments of men, that turn from the truth." Like most of the bible, maybe? 1:14
                  • Do good works; be gentle toward others; avoid fighting or speaking unkindly about others. 3:1-2
                  • "Avoid ... genealogies." Like Gen.10, 1 Chr.1-9, and Lk.3? 3:9
                  Hebrews
                  • "Let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works." 10:24
                  • Let brotherly love continue. 13:1
                  • Be hospitable to strangers. 13:2
                  • Avoid "strange doctrines." Those who do so will avoid nearly everything that the Bible teaches. 13:9
                  James
                  • "Be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath." 1:19
                  • "Pure religion ... is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world." 1:27
                  • "Love thy neighbor as thyself." 2:8
                  • Help others that are in need; don't just wish them well. This is good advice, though it's unfortunate that James restricted this help to "brothers". Did he mean by this that you only need to help fellow believers? 2:15-16
                  • James ridicules those who say salvation is by faith alone. He says the devils believe in God. Will their faith save them? 2:19
                  • "Speak not evil of one another." 4:11
                  • Don't judge other people. 4:12
                  • "Ye know not what shall be on the morrow. For what is your life? It is even a vapour, that appeareth for a little time, and then vanisheth away." (All we are is dust in the wind.) 4:14
                  • Workers should be treated fairly. 5:4
                  1 Peter
                  • "For all flesh is as grass."
                    Life is ephemeral. Enjoy it while you can. 1:24
                  • Avoid evil, malice, hypocrisy, and envy. Don't speak badly about others. 2:1
                  • Be compassionate and courteous. Don't seek revenge when you are harmed by another. Speak kindly of others. Do good and avoid evil. 3:8-11
                  • Peter says that Christians should be ready to explain why they believe what they do. This is a good verse to remember when Christians refuse to debate you. 3:15
                  • Be hospitable to one another without grudging. 4:9
                  • Don't murder, steal, do evil things, or interfere needlessly in the lives of others. I wish Christians would follow Peter's advice here, especially the "busybody" part, and stay out of the beliefs and sex lives of nonchristians. 4:15
                  2 Peter
                  • Paul's epistles are hard to understand. And that those who try to understand them, as with the other scriptures, do so "unto their own destruction. 3:16
                  1 John
                  • Those who love others are "in the light"; those who hate are "in darkness". 2:9-11
                  • "Let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth." 3:18
                  • "Love one another." 4:7-8, 4:16
                  • "There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear." 4:18
                  2 John
                  • "Love one another."
                    Except for all those antichrists (non-Christians), that is. (See verses 7-10) 5
                  3 John
                  • Do good; avoid evil. 1:11
                  For those who may not know this passage (as I see there are non-christians who frequent this site) the passage reads as follows:
                  "For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life."
                  Or something to that effect.

                  What's so nonsensical about this passage?
                  It's only nonsensical if you believe that is the gist of the Bible. It isn't.
                  Emeritus Professor of the Christ Jesus Chair of Theology at Landover Baptist University.
                  "God loves you. Let us arrange for you to meet Him".
                  Break their teeth, O God, in their mouth.--Psalms 58:6


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                  • Eye of the Beholder
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                    • Nov 2006
                    • 53

                    #10
                    Re: A Message of Baptist Love

                    Okay. I understand what you mean now.
                    One thing that I've always had a problem with though is how do you follow the bible when it is chalk full of conflicting things?
                    What I mean is, one of the commandments is Thou Shalt Not Kill, yet in other passages it says that you shall kill certain people.

                    I have to be honest with you. It literally makes my head swim...lol!

                    I enjoy our chats Mr. Pistle. Just today I've learned quite a bit. Just so you know, I've put others through the same gauntlet. I've virtually interrogated a catholic priest, a protestant minister and a rabbi. I haven't yet had the chance to speak to an Islamic guy (Mullah?).

                    Just bear with me, if you please. This is my way of understanding.

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                    • Pastor Al E Pistle
                      Christ's Cōnsiliārius
                       
                      • Sep 2006
                      • 9323

                      #11
                      Re: A Message of Baptist Love

                      Originally posted by Eye of the Beholder View Post
                      Okay. I understand what you mean now.
                      One thing that I've always had a problem with though is how do you follow the bible when it is chalk full of conflicting things?
                      What I mean is, one of the commandments is Thou Shalt Not Kill, yet in other passages it says that you shall kill certain people.

                      I have to be honest with you. It literally makes my head swim...lol!

                      I enjoy our chats Mr. Pistle. Just today I've learned quite a bit. Just so you know, I've put others through the same gauntlet. I've virtually interrogated a catholic priest, a protestant minister and a rabbi. I haven't yet had the chance to speak to an Islamic guy (Mullah?).

                      Just bear with me, if you please. This is my way of understanding.
                      Friend, it is late and I have two morning sermons. But I will be happy to discuss these things with you and with everyone else who cares to come here and read about what the Bible really says. And We can go through those supposed contradictions if you like.
                      Emeritus Professor of the Christ Jesus Chair of Theology at Landover Baptist University.
                      "God loves you. Let us arrange for you to meet Him".
                      Break their teeth, O God, in their mouth.--Psalms 58:6


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                      • Brother MoJo
                        Soldier of God
                        Forum Member
                        • Sep 2006
                        • 106

                        #12
                        Re: A Message of Baptist Love

                        Originally posted by Eye of the Beholder View Post
                        By the way Brother Muhammed, why would you use the name of the Islamic prophet when you oppose them so vehemently?
                        Friend, I did not name myself. It was clearly God's will that my parents should name me this, and so I will not change my name no matter how much I dislike it.
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                        We consider the interpretation of John 3:16 that some Lieberal scum have to be nonsense. We wholeheartedly accept ALL of the Bible (KJV1611) and we do not ignore John 3:18:
                        3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
                        3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
                        3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

                        Many folks just ignore that and think that anyone is saved and we'll all have a happy time in Heaven, and ladeeda. They fail to realise that you must believe Jesus- and if you truly believe Jesus then you also believe in ALL of the Bible (KJV1611) which includes all the stuff about people being damned or deserving death

                        And now to address what you see as a contradiction, in that the Bible(KJV1611) says not to kill but then goes on to tell that some deserve death and should be killed. Friend, most of the passages describing the manner in which they should be killed and the very fact that they should be killed also say that their blood shall be on their own hands! God does not see it as the person fulfilling His word is the killer, but that the one who commited the heinous sins is the killer of his own self.

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                        • Bobby-Joe
                          Landover Security Superviser
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                          • Sep 2006
                          • 18405

                          #13
                          Re: A Message of Baptist Love

                          Originally posted by Eye of the Beholder View Post
                          Okay. I understand what you mean now.
                          One thing that I've always had a problem with though is how do you follow the bible when it is chalk full of conflicting things?
                          What I mean is, one of the commandments is Thou Shalt Not Kill, yet in other passages it says that you shall kill certain people.

                          I have to be honest with you. It literally makes my head swim...lol!
                          Friend,

                          The contradiction is with in you, it can not be in The Bible since The Bible is written by God and is therefore perfect, as God is. You can not be a believing Christian and accept that there is any imperfection in God's message anymore than a good Christian could vote for a Democrat.

                          I suggest this thread may help you with God incredible ability to "double speak"


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                          • Eye of the Beholder
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                            #14
                            Re: A Message of Baptist Love

                            Originally posted by Bobby-Joe View Post
                            Friend,

                            The contradiction is with in you, it can not be in The Bible since The Bible is written by God and is therefore perfect, as God is. You can not be a believing Christian and accept that there is any imperfection in God's message anymore than a good Christian could vote for a Democrat.

                            I suggest this thread may help you with God incredible ability to "double speak"

                            http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=737
                            I don't believe that the bible was written by God. It may have been inspired by God, but it most certainly was written by man to suit his own political and religious needs at the time. It basically is only an account of people who were there; it was about their experiences and what they heard and learned.
                            There are no written passages by Jesus himself, just what others claimed he said. I'm not saying He didn't say these things, but man being man, I have a sinking feeling that they may have "tweaked" some of His words to suit what they wanted.
                            Do you believe in the Gospel of St. Thomas?

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                            • Brother Temperance
                              Senior Usher
                              True Christian™ missionary to the Unsaved Kingdom
                              A very nice young man
                              True Christian™
                              • Sep 2006
                              • 15621

                              #15
                              Re: A Message of Baptist Love

                              Originally posted by Eye of the Beholder View Post
                              I don't believe that the bible was written by God. It may have been inspired by God, but it most certainly was written by man to suit his own political and religious needs at the time. It basically is only an account of people who were there; it was about their experiences and what they heard and learned.
                              There are no written passages by Jesus himself, just what others claimed he said. I'm not saying He didn't say these things, but man being man, I have a sinking feeling that they may have "tweaked" some of His words to suit what they wanted.
                              Do you believe in the Gospel of St. Thomas?
                              Do you believe that God is incompetent?
                              O Lord our God, help us to tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our shells; help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of their patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the shrieks of their wounded, writhing in pain; help us to lay waste their humble homes with a hurricane of fire; help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending widows with unavailing grief; help us to turn them out roofless with little children to wander unfriended the wastes of their desolated land in rags and hunger and thirst, sports of the sun flames of summer and the icy winds of winter, broken in spirit, worn with travail, imploring Thee for the refuge of the grave and denied it--for our sakes who adore Thee, Lord, blast their hopes, blight their lives, protract their bitter pilgrimage, make heavy their steps, water their way with their tears, stain the white snow with the blood of their wounded feet! We ask it, in the spirit of love, of Him Who is the Source of Love, and Who is the ever-faithful refuge and friend of all that are sore beset and seek His aid with humble and contrite hearts. Amen.



                              God being truth, justice, goodness, beauty, power, and life, man is falsehood, iniquity, evil, ugliness, impotence, and death. God being master, man is the slave. Incapable of finding justice, truth, and eternal life by his own effort, he can attain them only through a divine revelation... he who desires to worship God must harbor no childish illusions about the matter, but bravely renounce his liberty and humanity.

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