[Irinka the repentant jewess]

Re: What is it like to be an atheist?

Firstly, I do believe in a causal universe and evolution proves there's no need for Adam and Eve. Which proves Eve never picked the apple from the tree which then proves there's no original sin. This would subsequently mean that there was no need for Jesus. This kind of dismantles your religion and should be the final nail in the coffin. But, you don't accept evolution and despite all of the evidence and proof to back it up, you will never accept it. So, now I've just dismantled your religion, can I talk about astrology?

One thing we can agree on is that Astrology is the biggest load of horse shit in the world. That is all.

You are correct about astrology, however, there is no need for foul language. What is a bit disquieting to me, though, is that you are so full of yourself, so arrogant and self-absorbed. That is probably due to your age. As you grow older, you will realize that you do not know everything and that you cannot dismantle anyone's faith or a poweful and well-established religious theology in a matter of a couple of sentences. Your knowledge is much too superficial and your life-experience not nearly extensive enough to undertake such a dismantling.
Sad, really...

[Teenaged Shaun]

Re: What is it like to be an atheist?

Let's take
.1{a} He does know what's going to happen
For such a statement to make sense you must admit the existence of a causal universe: "what's going to happen" (future tense). We have a location in time (it hasn't happened yet).

What seems to escape the power of contemporary science entirely, however, is the answer to the question of why the Universe is. Such an inquiry demands the use of a fundamental philosophical category of causality. Inasmuch as the "how" causality is associated with the determinism of scientific laws, the "why" causality reaches beyond the scientific discourse. In other words, one wishes to know why the Universe is and why it is as it is. SOURCE 16th Kraków Methological Cinference, 2012

God did know what would happen and warned us. There is just so much evidence for the fulfillment of prophecy in Jesus, the circumstances of His birth, His subsequent torture, the empty tomb, the death brought into the world by Eve and communicated to us all by Adam, the calamity which derives from (causality again) rejecting The Perfect Love of God, the blasting curse in perpetuity (it has nod abated yet) for viewing by one's father of one's grandfather's genitals, the Miracle of Pentecost, the concequences of idolatry (a) the vatican (b) war [but these are the same thing really], the disaster of following black magic & witchcraft & astrology [again, these are all the same thing] all of which disasters befall nations so polluting themselves AND YET YOU SAY in the single example of our eternal destiny God is mistaken?

ROMANS 8:29-31 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us? KJV

Obviously not. God is quite clear that here in the world He made real actions have real consequences. You mentioned cancer. That's pretty real as those who deny Christ discover when it kills them. And it's cause is equally real. Death enetred the world through sin. Cause and effect. God knew all about that when He warned us but neither Adam nor Eve took much notice of that she gobbling down whatever took her fancy, he seduced by her libidinous desire.

Eve did not have Pastors. Opting to disregard what Adam had told her resulted in her giving birth to a murderer. Just as God had warned. Today we have The Pastoral Team. God's Promises fulfilled yet again:

II THESSALONIANS 2:13-16…we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle. Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us…hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace KJV

Firstly, I do believe in a causal universe and evolution proves there's no need for Adam and Eve. Which proves Eve never picked the apple from the tree which then proves there's no original sin. This would subsequently mean that there was no need for Jesus. This kind of dismantles your religion and should be the final nail in the coffin. But, you don't accept evolution and despite all of the evidence and proof to back it up, you will never accept it. So, now I've just dismantled your religion, can I talk about astrology?

One thing we can agree on is that Astrology is the biggest load of horse shit in the world. That is all.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: What is it like to be an atheist?

1. He does know what's going to happen but won't stop it - he's sick.
2. He doesn't know what's going to happen and can't stop it - he's not worthy of the title "God".
3. He doesn't exist.

Let's take
.1{a} He does know what's going to happen
For such a statement to make sense you must admit the existence of a causal universe: "what's going to happen" (future tense). We have a location in time (it hasn't happened yet).

What seems to escape the power of contemporary science entirely, however, is the answer to the question of why the Universe is. Such an inquiry demands the use of a fundamental philosophical category of causality. Inasmuch as the "how" causality is associated with the determinism of scientific laws, the "why" causality reaches beyond the scientific discourse. In other words, one wishes to know why the Universe is and why it is as it is. SOURCE 16th Kraków Methological Cinference, 2012

God did know what would happen and warned us. There is just so much evidence for the fulfillment of prophecy in Jesus, the circumstances of His birth, His subsequent torture, the empty tomb, the death brought into the world by Eve and communicated to us all by Adam, the calamity which derives from (causality again) rejecting The Perfect Love of God, the blasting curse in perpetuity (it has nod abated yet) for viewing by one's father of one's grandfather's genitals, the Miracle of Pentecost, the concequences of idolatry (a) the vatican (b) war [but these are the same thing really], the disaster of following black magic & witchcraft & astrology [again, these are all the same thing] all of which disasters befall nations so polluting themselves AND YET YOU SAY in the single example of our eternal destiny God is mistaken?

ROMANS 8:29-31 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us? KJV

Obviously not. God is quite clear that here in the world He made real actions have real consequences. You mentioned cancer. That's pretty real as those who deny Christ discover when it kills them. And it's cause is equally real. Death enetred the world through sin. Cause and effect. God knew all about that when He warned us but neither Adam nor Eve took much notice of that she gobbling down whatever took her fancy, he seduced by her libidinous desire.

Eve did not have Pastors. Opting to disregard what Adam had told her resulted in her giving birth to a murderer. Just as God had warned. Today we have The Pastoral Team. God's Promises fulfilled yet again:

II THESSALONIANS 2:13-16…we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle. Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us…hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace KJV

[Basilissa]

Re: What is it like to be an atheist?

"There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”

Why is there death, mourning, crying and pain in the first place? Is it part of God's plan that says that children must die of cancer? He's sick. And why does he need a plan? Surely an all powerful omnipotent being that created the universe wouldn't need humans to re-enact his will? There are only three options here then.
1. He does know what's going to happen but won't stop it - he's sick.
2. He doesn't know what's going to happen and can't stop it - he's not worthy of the title "God".
3. He doesn't exist.

Now which one seems more likely to you?

4. None of the above.

God is God, He knows why He does things, and He certainly doesn't have to explain anything to us, His creation. He creates good and evil (Isaiah 45:7).

Also, suffering on earth gives True Christians™ bonus points (Matthew 5:4, 10-12).

[Teenaged Shaun]

Re: What is it like to be an atheist?

Kid, start reading the Holy Bible. It has all the evidence you need.



Sweetie, even the best life here on earth is miserable comparing with the joys of eternal life in Heaven (read Revelation 21).

"There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”

Why is there death, mourning, crying and pain in the first place? Is it part of God's plan that says that children must die of cancer? He's sick. And why does he need a plan? Surely an all powerful omnipotent being that created the universe wouldn't need humans to re-enact his will? There are only three options here then.
1. He does know what's going to happen but won't stop it - he's sick.
2. He doesn't know what's going to happen and can't stop it - he's not worthy of the title "God".
3. He doesn't exist.

Now which one seems more likely to you?

[Basilissa]

Re: What is it like to be an atheist?

Interesting. You have nothing logical to say so you chuck the "You'll burn in hell forever" at me.

Kid, start reading the Holy Bible. It has all the evidence you need.

I love how you used "miserable life". So you think your life is miserable? Life is one of the most amazing things about the universe and your're putting it on hold because of a presumed afterlife? Baffling.

Sweetie, even the best life here on earth is miserable comparing with the joys of eternal life in Heaven (read Revelation 21).

[Teenaged Shaun]

Re: What is it like to be an atheist?

...And then you'll regret your sinful atheistic life when you burn in Hell forever

Isn't that a truly satisfying feeling, that we have only our short miserable life to repent and accept Christ, and after we die, we have the eternity to suffer or enjoy the consequences of our decision?

Interesting. You have nothing logical to say so you chuck the "You'll burn in hell forever" at me.
I love how you used "miserable life". So you think your life is miserable? Life is one of the most amazing things about the universe and your're putting it on hold because of a presumed afterlife? Baffling.

[Basilissa]

Re: What is it like to be an atheist?

It's nice being an atheist. Not having to bow down to an overlord that may or may not exist. And, for thinking that atheists operate on pure instinct. Think again. Humans have always been afraid of death, and perhaps always will be. So, it's the natural reaction to come up with some sort of "afterlife" to save yourself from being dead forever. I accept the inevitability of my death. You people clearly do not. So, it's you who's being more primitive in that sense.

No, it doesn't feel cold. It feels humbling. This is because I have the knowledge that a huge cloud of Hydrogen collapsed upon itself to form a sphere of hydrogen. When that sphere got dense enough, the core got to around 15,000,000 K and ignited the sun's fusion process. The debris left over from the formation of the sun coalesced to form many planets, including Earth. This one tiny speck of dust in the cosmic perspective. But, an organism such as the human being has flourished here and thrived. I'm happy to be one of these humans, and when I die, it won't be with fear but with fulfilment.

Thank you.

...And then you'll regret your sinful atheistic life when you burn in Hell forever

Isn't that a truly satisfying feeling, that we have only our short miserable life to repent and accept Christ, and after we die, we have the eternity to suffer or enjoy the consequences of our decision?

[Johny Joe Hold]

Re: What is it like to be an atheist?

It's nice being an atheist. Not having to bow down to an overlord that may or may not exist.

No, it doesn't feel cold.

I'm happy to be one of these humans, and when I die, it won't be with fear but with fulfilment.

And, you expect us to believe this? You are cold with fear, knowing you have sinned and will be held accountable.

The only people who do not fear hell are True Christians™. Do yourself a favor, abandon your pointless life as an atheist and find Jesus.

[Teenaged Shaun]

Re: What is it like to be an atheist?

It's nice being an atheist. Not having to bow down to an overlord that may or may not exist. And, for thinking that atheists operate on pure instinct. Think again. Humans have always been afraid of death, and perhaps always will be. So, it's the natural reaction to come up with some sort of "afterlife" to save yourself from being dead forever. I accept the inevitability of my death. You people clearly do not. So, it's you who's being more primitive in that sense.

No, it doesn't feel cold. It feels humbling. This is because I have the knowledge that a huge cloud of Hydrogen collapsed upon itself to form a sphere of hydrogen. When that sphere got dense enough, the core got to around 15,000,000 K and ignited the sun's fusion process. The debris left over from the formation of the sun coalesced to form many planets, including Earth. This one tiny speck of dust in the cosmic perspective. But, an organism such as the human being has flourished here and thrived. I'm happy to be one of these humans, and when I die, it won't be with fear but with fulfilment.

Thank you.

[Des]

Re: What is it like to be an atheist?

You are not a nice person!

I pray that the 3 days of moderation I just gave you will allow you to stop hating and start loving Jesus!

He is such a bitter, angry knob gobbler, and no doubt lonely as he has shut Jesus from his heart. You did him a good Christian kindness, Sister Felicity. May he use this time of reflection constructively in prayer.

Glory!

[Felicity]

Re: What is it like to be an atheist?

@Felicity, You look about as virginal as Steven Tyler looks like a man. In other words, nice hypocrisy.

You are not a nice person!

I pray that the 3 days of moderation I just gave you will allow you to stop hating and start loving Jesus!

[Des]

Re: What is it like to be an atheist?

Tsk, Tsk! Such unbridled anger, yet we are the ones who are miserable and unfulfilled. Riiiiiiiight!

Glory onto Him!

[I Am A Perverted Homosexual :)]

Re: What is it like to be an atheist?

There is where your confusion comes from, heathen. You see, we follow God's word, which makes us right and just, not twisted and heinous. In fact, the very definition of twisted and heinous would be not following God's word.

I understand. You want to follow the path of drunken debauchery. You think God's laws don't apply to you. You feel hurt and betrayed by God because He doesn't speak to you. But you've never stopped to ask yourself why He doesn't speak to you. God doesn't speak to you because you've never accepted His rules as fixed and absolute! Once you accept that you are a lowly, undeserving creature and realize that God will redeem your worthless earthen self due to His infinite capacity to love, only then will He answer your prayers.

Glory!

Just because in your own mind you are right justifies that no one else is? God I have not met someone more close-minded than you. God doesn't speak to me because he doesn't exist. God won't redeem me because he doesn't exist. God doesn't have an infinite capacity to love because he doesn't exist. As soon as you realize how crappy your life is without the ability to constantly put people down on some dumb extremist Internet forum, you will kill yourself and actually make your mom proud for the first time in your short, sad life

All that pillow biting must have ejected your braincells.

God does appreciate discrimination of everyone who doesn't obey Him:

• Gays (Leviticus 18:22, Leviticus 20:13, Romans 1:26-27)
• Muslims and Atheists (2 Corinthians 6:14–17)
• All sinners (Proverbs 6:16-19, Hosea 9:15, Matthew 13:41-42, Deuteronomy 12:31)
• Annoying children (2nd Chronicles 15:13, Deuteronomy 21:18-21)

Implying I have to refer to some old, dumb book that was written by humans??? Considering most of you sound like you were born yesterday, I wouldn't expect much out of you anyways. You probably conform to people's extremist beliefs because you actually want to feel like you're wanted in life, when your parents wouldn't give you any love because they saw how useless you are. Enjoy the rest of your sad life on a forum full of girls that will never get laid and fat, homosexual men.

@Felicity, You look about as virginal as Steven Tyler looks like a man. In other words, nice hypocrisy.

[Des]

Re: What is it like to be an atheist?

Like what you say isn't gibberish like your whole life? In the end, this abomination is still a real church Contrary to what your twisted, heinous mind thinks.

There is where your confusion comes from, heathen. You see, we follow God's word, which makes us right and just, not twisted and heinous. In fact, the very definition of twisted and heinous would be not following God's word.

I understand. You want to follow the path of drunken debauchery. You think God's laws don't apply to you. You feel hurt and betrayed by God because He doesn't speak to you. But you've never stopped to ask yourself why He doesn't speak to you. God doesn't speak to you because you've never accepted His rules as fixed and absolute! Once you accept that you are a lowly, undeserving creature and realize that God will redeem your worthless earthen self due to His infinite capacity to love, only then will He answer your prayers.

Glory!