[Mrs. Mary Whitford]

Re: Richard Dawkins runs amok in Minnesota Movie theater!

Dear Lord, please help guide this sinner to Your loving arms, and to help him find the truth of history as written in Your Holy Word. Please lift the clouds from his eyes so that he may know You and find comfort in Your love as we do. Lord, please help him see the error of his ways so that he can stop trying to fill the minds of those not yet saved with lies, and he can stop trying to tempt those of us who are saved away from You. Please help him to see that this so-called "science" he venerates is the work of Satan, and only through the Bible can he find the truth. Please help him into the light.
In Jesus name I pray.
Amen.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Richard Dawkins runs amok in Minnesota Movie theater!

This little monkey worshiper is here to sow seeds of discord, mock christ, and persecute us for following the Holy Word of God rather than his dark masters (Darwin, Marx and satan). We cannot be dissuaded from our Divine Mission so easily, however. Praise Jesus!

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

[Atomic Chimp]

Re: Richard Dawkins runs amok in Minnesota Movie theater!

Here is a great example, Concerning the fossil record, you responded in a previous post:

"You mean those bones that were hardened by the sheer weight of water during the Flood?"

Fossilization is due to the slow replacement of biological matter with minerals, not a great weight hardening them. Also the geological record does not in any way support the claim of a flood. As a matter of fact it supports the age of the earth being far, far, far more than 4000-6000 years old. If you want to believe that the flood did happen at sometime in history, go right ahead, but please do not try to use and twist and change science and education to prove your point. It not only hurts the education of the kids of America, it also make you religion look bad when what you think is supporting it, only shows that you do not have an understanding of the evidence and of the science you speak of. When you can't back up big assertions like this, it only makes people feel they cannot trust any claims you make.

Word is Bond!
~Atomic Chimp

[Atomic Chimp]

Re: Richard Dawkins runs amok in Minnesota Movie theater!

Blah blah blah. I'm sorry, but I see no point in reading all of that. You're just trying to turn me away from my salvation, and it's not going to work. I love God, I know He's real, and that's that.

No, you can accept god and I have no problem with that. I have no ill intentions to change your religious belief and I apologize if I gave that impression. I only brought religion into this because you made the flawed statement that the bible has never been shown to be incorrect, to support your claims. If you'd like to continue a religious debate I could but thats not the point of my posting here.

Its the part about promoting information that is scientifically incorrect that I have a problem with. For many years I was an educator from elementary to college level, so things that undermine a good education upset me. We live in a country who's economy depends on scientific advancements. The misinformation you promote not only prevents children form getting the proper education they deserves but also hurts our countries economy. Also, the the information you use to try to undermine the science has been long refuted. I would hope you could give a more well thought out, up to date claims in your attempt to refute the sciences.

One more thing, why are you so resistant to read what I or anyone writes that doesn't agree with your belief. I do that all the time. Why do you think I'm on a board like this? Why do I read the bible still? Why do I keep up to date on all claims that refute evolution? If you want to really educate yourself and expand your understanding of something you need to read all views no matter how much they seem incorrect. If you're so confident of you own beliefs, reading another's view shouldn't sway you at all. Blinding yourself of other view only cheats you of a well rounded knowledge of the subject.

Word is Bond!
~Atomic Chimp

[Mrs. Mary Whitford]

Re: Richard Dawkins runs amok in Minnesota Movie theater!

Blah blah blah. I'm sorry, but I see no point in reading all of that. You're just trying to turn me away from my salvation, and it's not going to work. I love God, I know He's real, and that's that.

[Atomic Chimp]

Re: Richard Dawkins runs amok in Minnesota Movie theater!

Yes, why not read a bunch of atheists prattle on and support each other in making stuff up to try and drive a wedge between humanity and God?
No thank you. The Bible has lasted millennia without nonsense like "peer review" as the Lord has no peer, and none of it has ever been proved wrong.

Mary and Talitha, I have read and still read the bible. I understand it very well since I grew up Christian and served the church until I was college age. I would like to see your evidence to support the assertion that the bible you read is the word of your god. As for your assertion that "...none of it has ever been proved wrong.", have you read your own bible without your Christian goggles?! There are many errors in the bible. I would like an explanation of the why it contradicts itself in certain parts, it preaches things we would consider to be cruel and morally incorrect and contains passages that are historically incorrect. If you want a starter for where its incorrect, please show me the historical evidence Moses and the events that are connected to him took place. This will be difficult since Egyptian history shows this to be incorrect and the lack of archaeological evidence that should have been left behind by a large group of people who spent 30 years in the desert. I think you and I differ in one specific way, When I read something whether its scientific, or religious in nature, I don't believe it immediately, I do research myself to either confirm or refute the claims I've read. As new information is found, I do the process all over again. I do this to assure the information I accept is correct. I don't trust something just because I'm told so. This is how all science works and that is why it has been the most successful method of learning we've found.

As for the information I spoke of being atheists prattle, you are incorrect. The information I speak of comes from the same scholarly sources that we use for medicine, computer sciences, etc. If you doubt these sources or methods of learning please stop using your computer or visiting you local doctor because (to name a few) it all is just atheist nonsense. As a matter of fact definitely forget about modern medicine since its built on evolutionary sciences. Who needs something that was developed from this eviloution nonsense. Next time you're very sick if you really believe evolution and the sciences are wrong, and you have such faith in your religion, just go directly to church and pray to get well. I'll warn you though, the last time I heard about a persons religion getting in the way of proper medical treatment in America, the poor boy died.

Also, I don't understand why you think it drives a wedge between Humanity and god. I know many very religious people and scientists who find no problem accepting evolution and god together.

Word is bond!
~Atomic Chimp

[Mrs. Mary Whitford]

Re: Richard Dawkins runs amok in Minnesota Movie theater!

I would recommend that you do the research using reputable resources such as scholarly papers from respectable peer review journals to answer all of these questions yourself.

Yes, why not read a bunch of atheists prattle on and support each other in making stuff up to try and drive a wedge between humanity and God?
No thank you. The Bible has lasted millennia without nonsense like "peer review" as the Lord has no peer, and none of it has ever been proved wrong.

[Talitha]

Re: Richard Dawkins runs amok in Minnesota Movie theater!

>>>>Blah Blah Blah<<<<

Well, that enough for now since this is my first post!

~Atomic Chimp

I suggest you use your second post in the Introduction Forum.
Tell us what you know of Jesus.

[Atomic Chimp]

Re: Richard Dawkins runs amok in Minnesota Movie theater!

Pastor Ezekiel, I'm surprised you're trying to use the hammer as evidence. Its been long debunked. It had been carbon dated and found to be at the most 700 yrs old. Also since it was loose nodule sitting on surface, there is not evidence to connect it with the local bedrock. You can find many excellent articles on the hammer that show why, on its own, it lacks the evidence to support the anti-evolution claims and also how the testing allowed verifies the conclusion drawn from visual inspection. Here is one example article.

http://paleo.cc/paluxy/hammer.htm

Also, your list of questions is a very poor attempt to disprove evolution. I would recommend that you do the research using reputable resources such as scholarly papers from respectable peer review journals to answer all of these questions yourself. It would take me far too long to explain and educate you on Evolution, Abiogenesis, Physics, Geology, Genetics, and other sciences. This board is not a science class and it is not my responsibility to do the foot work you should do before you make unsupported assertions like this. I will go as far as to say that there is an astounding amount of evidence in the science I mentioned to support the slow natural process from simple to complex. Your assertion is that something complex was created by something even more complex which you have no supporting evidence for but you accept as true. That is circular reasoning and like shooting yourself in the proverbial foot.

Well, that enough for now since this is my first post!

~Atomic Chimp

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Richard Dawkins runs amok in Minnesota Movie theater!

Sorry, but you don't.

Because in this case we also have a documentary evidence of:
1) Hydrogen bombardment of the Earth in the past (Scientologists also have a documentary evidence, right?)
2) Creation of the Earth from a lotus flower by Brahma.
3) Creation of the Earth from Izanagi's spear (Shinto).
...

The Bible is NOT a documentary evidence. It's a great book, sure. But not a documentary...

Now friend, don't you Darwinist always argue that best supported theory is the most likely to have happened. Sure, the Bible appears to have some minor soft spots (though as a True Christian I contest that), but it still is a document that is accept by at lest 60% of the American population. Can you show any such document for your theory?

[Cyberax]

Re: Richard Dawkins runs amok in Minnesota Movie theater!

It's a hammer made by human beings with a wooden handle! How can it be 5 bazillion years old!! Your joo professors have brainwashed you and filled your head with crazy lies!

Once again: this hammer IS PROBABLY NOT from Crestacene - it was found in A LOOSE NODULE. It's entirely possible that a prehistoric man dropped it into a karst sinkhole (which can sometimes be hundreds of meters deep).

BTW, it's indirectly proven by the fact the this hammer was found near calcite strata - the usual mineral for karst terrains.

You need to answer THESE questions pal, and recognize that God made everything. That's the only reasonable explanation.

I can answer these questions. I don't see anything unusual or world-shattering in them.

However, I will ask you to answer MY questions in return.

Agreed?

Also, I'd like to offer you THIS Chick Tract on the subject of atheism. I pray that Jack Chick's Godly drawings and commentary will help you open your heart to Christ.

A common BS from a someone who doesn't understand evolution.

[Cyberax]

Re: Richard Dawkins runs amok in Minnesota Movie theater!

That's a pretty tall claim.

??
No, it's a fact.

Read here: http://biology.plosjournals.org/perl...o.0060063&ct=1 from the words "VIT Gene Remnants in Placental Mammals".

We also have in our genomes TONS of other remnants of old genes for functions lost or unnecessary in mammals.

For example, ferments are biological catalysts. They typically increase reaction speeds by factors of more than 1000. However, ferments are usually _extremely_ sensitive to temperature changes - they can tolerate only about 10C temperature difference.

That's why cold-blooded animals usually have in their DNA several different versions of one ferment, each version for a specific temperature range. AFAIR, frogs have about 20 versions of ATPase (a ferment crucial for cell functioning) for different temperatures.

However, mammals are warm-blooded, our interior is always at nearly the same temperature and all these extra versions of ferments are unnecessary. And so then they became slowly decay from generation to generation from the time our ancestors acquired warm blood.

However, we still can find a lot of remnants of these genes - they are irreparably damaged and inactive. But we still can use them to confirm that somewhere in the past our ancestors were cold-blooded.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Richard Dawkins runs amok in Minnesota Movie theater!

Looks like a meteoritic iron to me. And it's probably not from Cretaceous period - it was found in a loose nodule not attached to the main layer.

PS: Yes, I'm a chemist specialized in biochemistry.

It's a hammer made by human beings with a wooden handle! How can it be 5 bazillion years old!! Your joo professors have brainwashed you and filled your head with crazy lies!

You need to answer THESE questions pal, and recognize that God made everything. That's the only reasonable explanation.

Also, I'd like to offer you THIS Chick Tract on the subject of atheism. I pray that Jack Chick's Godly drawings and commentary will help you open your heart to Christ.

[Nobar King]

Re: Richard Dawkins runs amok in Minnesota Movie theater!

For example, you yourself carry decayed and inactive genes which encoded egg proteins in our very far reptile ancestors.

That's a pretty tall claim.

[Cyberax]

Re: Richard Dawkins runs amok in Minnesota Movie theater!

I love the hard scientific facts these atheists provide.

Well, yes. We have a corroborating evidence of fossil record and "DNA clock" record. We can now directly analyze the whole DNA sequences of different species and directly search for relationships and common ancestors.

For example, you yourself carry decayed and inactive genes which encoded egg proteins in our very far reptile ancestors.

So far, fossil record is in complete agreement with the DNA record.



I always wanted to know why do fundamental Christians so hate evolution? Creationism proponents consistently show complete ignorance of biology and evolution theory. Evolution theory it completely compatible with religious believes if you admit the possibility that the evolution was guided by the God.