[Cyberax]

Re: Richard Dawkins runs amok in Minnesota Movie theater!

Well of course the Earth is flat friend like God explains in The Bible. I mean come on, how else would it get dark at night? That wouldn't happen if the Earth was round.

Please, please, please. Tell me it's a satire!

Or I'll completely lose my faith in humanity...

[Cyberax]

Re: Richard Dawkins runs amok in Minnesota Movie theater!

You mistake the only True Christian™ Church for a church that cares what “so-called” scientists spew out on a daily basis. “Scientific” views are ever changing, as new “evidence” contradicts old belief, whilst the Word of The Lord is steadfast.

I could never understand why people always blame science for constantly changing and reviewing theories.

It's a GOOD thing. We are not perfect, we make mistakes and so the things and ideas we create are also imperfect. And so scientists constantly try to fix imperfections in their theories.

Your purpose here is to press a literally unpopular idea (only 40% support) down the throats of simple folk who know the value of The Lord’s Guidance and thus aggrandize your personal standing.

Yeah. It's a dirty job, but someone must at least TRY to educate these poor misguided people.

Without those who believe in your false creed, you are nothing and your works are nothing.

And that part is actually not true. Scientific theories do not care if they are supported by more than 50% of public.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Richard Dawkins runs amok in Minnesota Movie theater!

Please, please, please. Tell me it's a satire!

Or I'll completely lose my faith in humanity...

Friend,

What is it with you atheists? Every time we Christians make a point in the argument you claim we are joking? It’s like some kind of messed up version of Godwins law.

Now back to light and dark; light bends in gravity. Right? I assume you know about gravitational lensing as an example of gravity bending light? Well if the world were round like you Geosphereist seem to think the light would just bend around the round earth and it would always be light. Only a flat earth would stop this from happening.

[Cyberax]

Re: Richard Dawkins runs amok in Minnesota Movie theater!

Friend,
What is it with you atheists? Every time we Christians make a point in the argument you claim we are joking? It’s like some kind of messed up version of Godwins law.

Yes, it's that bad.

Now back to light and dark; light bends in gravity. Right? I assume you know about gravitational lensing as an example of gravity bending light? Well if the world were round like you Geosphereist seem to think the light would just bend around the round earth and it would always be light. Only a flat earth would stop this from happening.

Gravitational lensing is an incredibly weak effect. It's nowhere near powerful enough to bend Sun rays by 90 degrees.

Do the math:
phi = 4GM / c2R, where "phi" is the angle of deflection, G - gravitational constant, "c" - speed of light in vacuum, R - radius.

For the Earth:
phi = 4*6.67*10^(-11)*5.97*10^24 / 9*10^16*6.37*10^6 ~= 2.79*10(-9) radians or 5*10-7 degrees.

I.e. the Earth can bend sunlight at the sea level by 0.00000007 degrees. That's a little bit different from the required 90 degrees.

[Joshua Brooks]

Re: Richard Dawkins runs amok in Minnesota Movie theater!

Joshua, Evolution has much, more evidence from many different sciences than just fossil evidence, involving geology, paleontology, genetics, biology, micro biology and many more.

There is no evidence in favor of evolution. Not geological, paleontological, genetical, biological, or micro biological. No one has ever witnessed one animal transform or break off into another.

Concerning the big bang, the laws of physic didn't exist until after the big bang.

Now that is a common example of pulling psuedo facts out of your rear end. How do you know how anything worked before this supposed Big Bang? I caught you red handed in a lie you sneaky snake.

Chicken DNA only exist before chickens in the sense that a wgon existed before a car. Some of the parts of it DNA existed but not all of them nor in the same sequence.

Assuming the Laws of Physics that exist today existed billions of years ago as your false gods claim then it stands to reason that the atomic instructions for chicken DNA already existed from the start. All the particular atomic properties that would one day form a chicken had to be in place from the start. Otherwise, you're claiming the chickens and the laws of physics that are responsible for their existence popped into existence afterward. Who could have made chickens out of nothing? Jesus, of course. Who would have inserted the programming code for chicken DNA into the laws of physics from the very beginning? Jesus!! As you can see, all roads lead to Jesus.

Evolution is the building upon and expanding of what existed previously.

No, technology is building upon and expanding upon what previously existed. The Laws of Physics, according to your false gods, behave in the exact same way as after the Big Bang. New atomic properties don't just randomly pop out of thin air. Nobody is worried that water will become combustible when it is put in contact with oxygen anytime soon.

We have seen evolution in action in minor changes and total speciation.

No, you haven't.

We have seen new genetic machines developed in an organism through this process, and create new and unique species.

No, you haven't. You are officially a liar.

If you want to believe it was engineered by jesus, that fine with me, but DNA does exist and overwhelming amounts of evidence for evolution in DNA and other schools of the sciences exists. You can doubt it all you want but it doesn't change whats true. I suggest you should get a deeper understanding of what you're trying to refute before saying anything next time.

I think it is you who needs a deeper understanding of what you are attempting to argue in favor of. You clearly have no understanding of genetics. That is understandable seeing that it was made up by some homosexual pseudo scientist while high of weed in his grandmother's basement. That queer probably hasn't thought it all out yet so all the other geeky virgin dorks living in their mother's basements are all making up their own versions of the theory and therefore your information is bound to be alittle off.

From what you said it sounds like you don't believe in atoms either, is this true?! How much science education have you had so far? What is the average age of people posting on this board too?

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=7402

As you will see I have debunked the theory of atoms.

Psuedo-scientists? Sorry to say that if you believe the pioneers of science that brought us evolutionary sciences and the atomic theory are real scientists and you should thank them for you health and modern conveniences.

I'll thank Jesus for the conviences He has provided us.

THANK YOU, JESUS!!! SHOUT GLORY!!!

[Brother Temperance]

Re: Richard Dawkins runs amok in Minnesota Movie theater!

As for the grasshopper with four legs, let me correct the statement, its says they have four feet. I do not know of any entomologist nor any person who things that grasshoppers have 2 arms.

Well, you've obviously never met any Christians, then.

I'm not sure where you get your definition of what arms and legs are or if you've really looked closely at a grasshopper, but it has 6 legs as it should.

What do you mean, as it should? If it had six legs, it would be in defiance of God's Word! You think God should hate grasshoppers? You think the Bible should be wrong because of insects? Friend, you are wrong in the head.

I notices you didn't mention how PI is incorrect in the bible. These are only a few examples too.

What's wrong with 3? Seems like a nice round number to me.

Nope. We try to drive a wedge between secular and spiritual parts of the world.

Exactly like Jesus does! On one side of the wedge are people who are going to Hell, on the other there's people who're going to Heaven. Which will you choose?

Yes, and people also died young without a decent healthcare for millennia.

Stuff and nonsense. What about Methuselah? He didn't have any Clintonite socialist healthcare, and he was just fine.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Richard Dawkins runs amok in Minnesota Movie theater!

Yes, it's that bad.


Gravitational lensing is an incredibly weak effect. It's nowhere near powerful enough to bend Sun rays by 90 degrees.

Do the math:
phi = 4GM / c2R, where "phi" is the angle of deflection, G - gravitational constant, "c" - speed of light in vacuum, R - radius.

For the Earth:
phi = 4*6.67*10^(-11)*5.97*10^24 / 9*10^16*6.37*10^6 ~= 2.79*10(-9) radians or 5*10-7 degrees.

I.e. the Earth can bend sunlight at the sea level by 0.00000007 degrees. That's a little bit different from the required 90 degrees.

You get this number because of the size of the Universe you assume. We TRUE Christians know that the Universe is only 6,000 light years across, not the ludicrous 156 billion light years you secularist maintain. If you adjust the gravitational effect for a 6K Universe I am sure you will find it is 90’.

[Wash O'Hanley]

Re: Richard Dawkins runs amok in Minnesota Movie theater!

How has this topic reached 9 pages? Any scientist that is also a pastor at this church will tell you that Evolution is a bunch of hooplah. Debate over.

[Cyberax]

Re: Richard Dawkins runs amok in Minnesota Movie theater!

You get this number because of the size of the Universe you assume. We TRUE Christians know that the Universe is only 6,000 light years across, not the ludicrous 156 billion light years you secularist maintain. If you adjust the gravitational effect for a 6K Universe I am sure you will find it is 90’.

The age of the Universe does not matter. Also, it doesn't matter if the speed of light is different beyond our Solar System.

The equation for deflection angle contains only the constants which are measured directly on the Earth.

PS: I still don't understand, is these your REAL believes or are you just a bunch of comedians? The second option seems more and more plausible...

[Talitha]

Re: Richard Dawkins runs amok in Minnesota Movie theater!

PS: I still don't understand, is these your REAL believes or are you just a bunch of comedians? The second option seems more and more plausible...

That's something that Atheists are always trying to throw at us.
I can assure you we are as real as the Fires of Hell in which you and all that blaspheme against God will spend eternity.

[LyingDingDong]

Re: Richard Dawkins runs amok in Minnesota Movie theater!

PS: I still don't understand, is these your REAL believes or are you just a bunch of comedians? The second option seems more and more plausible...

You almost think that this site is divine revelation and I have ran into the idea that these people were just pulling my leg. But after looking around for a couple of months and watching the posts and comments, all you see is ignorant truth. <--- Haha Oxymormonic!

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Richard Dawkins runs amok in Minnesota Movie theater!

You almost think that this site is a divine revelation and I have ran into the idea that these people were just pulling my leg. But after looking around for a couple of months and watching the posts and comments, all you see is ignorant truth. <--- Haha Oxymormonic!

As it should be, after all what do we men know in comparison to God? When He talks about the disk of the Earth in Isiah He should know what He is talking about.

The age of the Universe does not matter. Also, it doesn't matter if the speed of light is different beyond our Solar System.

The equation for deflection angle contains only the constants which are measured directly on the Earth.

If the Universe is smaller then it goes to follow the effect of gravity on light has to be greater to get the distortions at the distances observed. in the Wikipedia example is Darwinista science alleges the quasar Q0957+561 is 7.8 billion light years away when Christian science tells us truthfully that quasar Q0957+561 is 300 light years away. That means the gravity effect has to 26 million times stronger than you are calculating for.

[JennyD]

Re: Richard Dawkins runs amok in Minnesota Movie theater!

Friend,

What is it with you atheists? Every time we Christians make a point in the argument you claim we are joking? It’s like some kind of messed up version of Godwins law.

I've heard it called Tabor's Law, Brother BJ. Is that the one you mean?

[Cyberax]

Re: Richard Dawkins runs amok in Minnesota Movie theater!

If the Universe is smaller then it goes to follow the effect of gravity on light has to be greater to get the distortions at the distances observed. in the Wikipedia example is Darwinista science alleges the quasar Q0957+561 is 7.8 billion light years away when Christian science tells us truthfully that quasar Q0957+561 is 300 light years away. That means the gravity effect has to 26 million times stronger than you are calculating for.

Your "Christian science" is neither "science" nor "Christian"...

However, if speed of light was that much faster then it would mean that the electric constant and magnetic permeability of vacuum would be MUCH MUCH smaller.

They are connected by the equation:

c^2 * u * e = 1, where "c" is the speed of light in vacuum, "u" - vacuum permeability and "e" - the electric constant.

That would in turn mean that all electrons would immediately recombine with protons in atom nuclei (i.e. via http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_capture which in our current Universe only works for some radioactive elements).

The weak nuclear force would stop being a 'weak' force, conventional chemistry would break down and so on.

In short, there should be a LOT of evidence from such a drastic change of lightspeed. We don't see such evidence.

[Dr. Santiago Solo]

Re: Richard Dawkins runs amok in Minnesota Movie theater!

Blah, blah, blah, sickular science, blah, blah...

In short, there should be a LOT of evidence from such a drastic change of lightspeed. We don't see such evidence.

The LORD does as He pleases, we are not who to question his methods. You prefer Einstein over Baby Jesus, so you will spend Eternity in Hell... enoy Satan's tallywacker (I assure you, it is bigger than the ones you are used to drool for).