[NotRealist]

Re: I like your christ.

How am I a "bad person" for posting a cartoon showing someone with an equally unintelligible and moronic system of grammar (ebonics)?

you are a racist for discerning it as african american ebonics, you are a stupid person for thinking that both are moronic (albeit, the comparison alone should leave your ineptitude not only at risk, but clear), that a vernacular for some is less than acceptable for others. and you are a bad person for being a stupid racist. but i can forgive you, it's not your fault for being stupid or a racist, you have been brainwashed. and i feel bad for you really...

for all of you. i would shed a tear, but i cannot, for it wouldn't sway any of you either way.

[NotRealist]

Re: I like your christ.

mormonic

sorry this word should've been mormonic. not mormonic, it doesn't refer to mormons at all.

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: I like your christ.

No, I am explaining that it is not good enough for mankind.

Who are you to judge God?

Save your soul, take a dip (that's a metaphor) in reading the Qu'ran, or the Hadid.

I have read it.

Muhammad was given the teachings of the Qu'ran by the angel gabriel.

I'd like to see you try to prove that.

why would god send down an archangel to skew his image? why does this malevolent god torture humanity in such a way by making it impossible to become saved?

Simple, God DIDN'T send an archangel down to Mohammad. Mohammad wrote the Koran himself.

Next you'll try to tell me that an angel told Joseph Smith how to translate some golden plates that no one else was ever allowed to see.

yes i think god IS incapable of inspiring translators to write things down in his exact word because things get lost in translation too much.

God can do anything. Why do you think there are limits to what God can do? Do you even believe in God?

If God is perfect, then why doth evil exist?

Because God created it. Why can't a perfect being create evil if it wants to? God defines perfection, not you.

then why go throught he whole Earth phase, why not just keep souls in heaven and keep them clean there without sending his "son" to be tortured?

Because that would deny our free will to choose whether to follow the LORD or to follow Satan.

I have read the posts, i have rad the articles, it is plainly spread around that the jewish people are held in low regard, much with all other races.

Where?

really, because in the old testament, god kills about 2.6 million people, and in the new testamant he barely kills anyone, except for everyone deemed unpure at the end (rapture, revelations, etc).

Right, so God killed millions of people in the Old Testament, but He will have killed billions of people by the time the Revelation plays out -- and not just killed, but tortured for eternity in Hell. You thought the Old Testament God was the angry, vengeful one.

seems like a subtle attack on jewish faith.

So? The Jewish faith is wrong. That's why I try to help them find Christ so that they can be saved.

really because that hardly solves any problems on earth, it just promotes isolationism.

The only problem on Earth that needs solving is the fact that there are so many hellbound unsaved folks. We need to work on getting them saved.

there is an entire branch of these forums dedicated to male conversation

So what? There's also a section for female conversion.

I have read both, i have partaken in many forms of literature. and i must say, the bible is less than satisfying.

Go back and read the quoted text I was responding to, and maybe you'll understand my comment this time. I wasn't claiming that the Bible was good literature. It isn't literature at all. It's a how-to book.

Jesus did this shortly before becoming Crucified, he was born a hebrew child, he was a very intelligent man later on, and led the hebrew nation to take back the holy land for themselves.

Who told you that nonsense?

but this was seen as treason by the Roman government (let's not kid ourselves it is), so they ordered his execution. did you know that historical censuses, jail notes and legal documents mention nothing of a barabus around this time?

What's your point? They don't mention Jesus either. It's just poor record keeping on their part. Thankfully, we have the eye-witness accounts recorded in the Bible.

Look at Pascal's wager. you can tell me that i can be an atheist and never know if i am right, so i should play it safe and be a baptist like you, but so can everyone else! EVERYONE!

That's why I don't use that argument. I show folks God's Word and let Him do all the talking.

I think that it'd be much happier if i go about and make the world a better place instead of converting everyone with blackmail (ex: if you don't you'll go to hell). If you continue to go against everyone who isn't just like you

I'm not interested in making the world happier. I'm interested in saving folks from the very real danger of Hell fire.

Listen, if we were neighbors in an apartment building, and the building caught on fire in the middle of the night, you might be happier if I let you sleep (most folks don't like being woken up in the middle of the night). However, I'm not going to let you sleep. I'm going to bang on your door until you get out of bed and follow me out of the building.

then let me tell you somehting: there is a circle for you all, the ninth, it is called Antenora, it is below all the wickedness you hate. and i find it ironic. wouldn't you? BTW, if you didn't understand that, read dante's inferno, the english version

I have read that too. Dante's Inferno is not scripture, and Antenora doesn't exist.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[NotRealist]

Re: I like your christ.

Who are you to judge God?


I have read it.


I'd like to see you try to prove that.


Simple, God DIDN'T send an archangel down to Mohammad. Mohammad wrote the Koran himself.

Next you'll try to tell me that an angel told Joseph Smith how to translate some golden plates that no one else was ever allowed to see.


God can do anything. Why do you think there are limits to what God can do? Do you even believe in God?


Because God created it. Why can't a perfect being create evil if it wants to? God defines perfection, not you.


Because that would deny our free will to choose whether to follow the LORD or to follow Satan.


Where?


Right, so God killed millions of people in the Old Testament, but He will have killed billions of people by the time the Revelation plays out -- and not just killed, but tortured for eternity in Hell. You thought the Old Testament God was the angry, vengeful one.


So? The Jewish faith is wrong. That's why I try to help them find Christ so that they can be saved.


The only problem on Earth that needs solving is the fact that there are so many hellbound unsaved folks. We need to work on getting them saved.


So what? There's also a section for female conversion.


Go back and read the quoted text I was responding to, and maybe you'll understand my comment this time. I wasn't claiming that the Bible was good literature. It isn't literature at all. It's a how-to book.


Who told you that nonsense?


What's your point? They don't mention Jesus either. It's just poor record keeping on their part. Thankfully, we have the eye-witness accounts recorded in the Bible.


That's why I don't use that argument. I show folks God's Word and let Him do all the talking.


I'm not interested in making the world happier. I'm interested in saving folks from the very real danger of Hell fire.

Listen, if we were neighbors in an apartment building, and the building caught on fire in the middle of the night, you might be happier if I let you sleep (most folks don't like being woken up in the middle of the night). However, I'm not going to let you sleep. I'm going to bang on your door until you get out of bed and follow me out of the building.


I have read that too. Dante's Inferno is not scripture, and Antenora doesn't exist.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

I am a Human, if the bible truly says judge not lest ye be judged, then what wrong act have i commited by judging it in return.

good for you on reading them. i hope you didn't laugh whilst doing so.

O RLY? prove that angels came down. you know what? I'D LIKE TO SEE YOU PROVE TO ME THAT ALL OF IT EXISTS, ANGELS, DEMONS, GOD, LUCIFER (ooh am i going to get banned for that? no, i'm not afraid of that, i'm not afraid of you or your gods.) PROVE TO ME THAT THEY EXIST AND I WILL BEG FOR THEIR FORGIVENESS!(i was laughing while i said this, not yelling) please note that a simple reply of it's in the scripture is NOT sufficient.

I do not partake in the book of mormon, the story behind that is almost as easily falsified (v:to b proven false, archaic) asyour own KJV.

If God can do anything, and you claim him a benevolent God. then why does evil exist, why do we have to suffer through life and sometimes death.

Why tie evil to the epitome of perfection, isn't that extremely... hippocratic, counterproductive, imperfect, evil? If God is present i would like him to clearly define perfection for me in physical form, he can speak through an angel if he wants (the voice of God is not for human ears or such). and oh wait, he's not saying anything. could it be that perfection doesn't exist?

the idea of the war in heaven has taught us that God does not look kindly on free will. the idea of free thought was pushed out in Adam and eve.

look around you can't miss it. but first, try this, try imagining that everyone, regardless of race creed or gender is equal, has equal rights and is priveliged to things based on their intelligence. (this is americanism, and though similar to communism it is not)

It still is, the rapture has not come.

so you beleive that the jewish faith is wrong? let me get this straight... you believe that the orignial word of God is incorrect based against a revision, and yet you refuse to believe that It would change it at any point beyond that? isn't that a little hippocritical?

no, you need to work on making the world a better place so that the progeny will enjoy it, so that there will be an aura of peace accross the planet, and from that stepping stone you can peacefully convert people if it still seems like the proper thing to do by then.

conversation is very different from conversion, if you meant conversation then i would like to note that they should be in the same place. where is your section of the forum for homosexuals?

i understood that. I am claiming that the bible is a collection of stories with morals and hardships that are overcome by bravery and such. it's an enlightening set of tales. and much like current politics, it scares us into being good.

it's in the bible, and it's arguable in social semantics. jesus was born a hebrew child like his parents, for another example, I'm guessing that your parents are also within your religion, unless their souls have passed (bless them, sorry if they are sorry if they aren't) He had to be an intelligent man to speak at least three languages (hebrew to convert the jews, latin to the roman soldiers, and aramaeic to everyone else). converting everyone to christianity was his way of getting jews their promised land. Go ask a large group of historians and they will tell you this as well.

i know, thanks for not using that argument, but you still fail to realise that by showing the KJV, you are showing the same thing that everyone else uses!

well that's the problem, i don't talk to dead people, because they are dead, i've hung out in cemetaries and waited but heard nothing, in fact, no one has ever come back and told us of the true after life. i think that what really matters is a more epicurean happiness that benifits global society.

Thanks for the thought, but honestly, if you were in my apartment complex, i would not be living there. expecially if you lived within close enough proximity to help me escape a fire

how can you be sure that Antenora doesn't exist, you're pretty sure hell exists, or are you one of those same punishment for all crimes people?

sorry this took so long, i'm going to sleep it's late and i have things to do. I am still inclined to partition myself from all of religion though. say no to fundamentalism!

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: I like your christ.

If God can do anything, and you claim him a benevolent God. then why does evil exist, why do we have to suffer through life and sometimes death.

Evil exists because God created it.

Isa 45:5-7 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me: That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else. I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Who claimed that God was strictly benevolent? God is all things.

Why tie evil to the epitome of perfection, isn't that extremely... hippocratic,

Hippocratic? What does it have to do with how physicians treat their patients?

the idea of the war in heaven has taught us that God does not look kindly on free will.

What war in Heaven? There's nothing about a "war in Heaven" in the Bible.

God gave us our free will and expects us to use it. We only get in trouble when we use it to rebel against Him.

but first, try this, try imagining that everyone, regardless of race creed or gender is equal, has equal rights and is priveliged to things based on their intelligence.

I agree 100% with that statement. Why would you assume otherwise? You are the bigot here. I am a fundamentalist Christian who reads God's Word and believes it, therefore in your mind, I must be some hate-filled monster.

Shame on you!

so you beleive that the jewish faith is wrong?

Yes.

let me get this straight... you believe that the orignial word of God is incorrect based against a revision,

No. There are so many incorrect implicit assumptions in that statement it is hard to know where to begin to set you straight.

The New Testament is not a revision. God is unchanging. God is the same today as yesterday.

The Jewish faith was wrong before Jesus came along because, while they obeyed the strict letter of the law, they completely violated the spirit of the law.

no, you need to work on making the world a better place so that the progeny will enjoy it, so that there will be an aura of peace accross the planet, and from that stepping stone you can peacefully convert people if it still seems like the proper thing to do by then.

That sounds like a good idea, but it is incredibly naive. There won't be any peace until Jesus returns.

conversation is very different from conversion, if you meant conversation

Right, I meant conversation.

then i would like to note that they should be in the same place.

They are in the same place.

where is your section of the forum for homosexuals?

Here: Straight 4 Jesus! (Back Door Christians)

[The story of Jesus rising up against the oppressive leaders is] in the bible

Where? I have read the Bible cover to cover several times, and I can't recall that story. Please site the chapter and verses.

He had to be an intelligent man to speak at least three languages (hebrew to convert the jews, latin to the roman soldiers, and aramaeic to everyone else).

No one spoke Hebrew in Jesus' time. By then, the Hebrew language was as dead as Latin is today.

converting everyone to christianity was his way of getting jews their promised land. Go ask a large group of historians and they will tell you this as well.

Please find me a large group of secular historians who can agree on ANYTHING about Jesus. They even debate on whether He was a real person.

you still fail to realise that by showing the KJV, you are showing the same thing that everyone else uses!

No, I am showing the Word of the living God. Anyone who shows you something different is showing a bunch of made up stories.

Thanks for the thought, but honestly, if you were in my apartment complex, i would not be living there. expecially if you lived within close enough proximity to help me escape a fire

Because you are a hateful bigot. I would willingly be your next door neighbor, but it is obvious that my kind is not good enough for you.

how can you be sure that Antenora doesn't exist, you're pretty sure hell exists,

Antenora doesn't exist for the same reason that Narnia doesn't exist. Not even Dante would have claimed it was a real place.

or are you one of those same punishment for all crimes people?

Well, when you get down to brass tacks, there is only one crime, and that is rebellion against God.

I am still inclined to partition myself from all of religion though. say no to fundamentalism!

Say no to bigotry!

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[NotRealist]

Re: I like your christ.

Evil exists because God created it.

Isa 45:5-7 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me: That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else. I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Who claimed that God was strictly benevolent? God is all things.


Hippocratic? What does it have to do with how physicians treat their patients?


What war in Heaven? There's nothing about a "war in Heaven" in the Bible.

God gave us our free will and expects us to use it. We only get in trouble when we use it to rebel against Him.


I agree 100% with that statement. Why would you assume otherwise? You are the bigot here. I am a fundamentalist Christian who reads God's Word and believes it, therefore in your mind, I must be some hate-filled monster.

Shame on you!


Yes.


No. There are so many incorrect implicit assumptions in that statement it is hard to know where to begin to set you straight.

The New Testament is not a revision. God is unchanging. God is the same today as yesterday.

The Jewish faith was wrong before Jesus came along because, while they obeyed the strict letter of the law, they completely violated the spirit of the law.


That sounds like a good idea, but it is incredibly naive. There won't be any peace until Jesus returns.


Right, I meant conversation.


They are in the same place.


Here: Straight 4 Jesus! (Back Door Christians)


Where? I have read the Bible cover to cover several times, and I can't recall that story. Please site the chapter and verses.


No one spoke Hebrew in Jesus' time. By then, the Hebrew language was as dead as Latin is today.


Please find me a large group of secular historians who can agree on ANYTHING about Jesus. They even debate on whether He was a real person.


No, I am showing the Word of the living God. Anyone who shows you something different is showing a bunch of made up stories.


Because you are a hateful bigot. I would willingly be your next door neighbor, but it is obvious that my kind is not good enough for you.


Antenora doesn't exist for the same reason that Narnia doesn't exist. Not even Dante would have claimed it was a real place.


Well, when you get down to brass tacks, there is only one crime, and that is rebellion against God.


Say no to bigotry!

Pastor Billy-Reuben

I can understand your idea that God is all things, omnipresence is not a new idea.

but how can you believe that judaism is wrong when you beleive most of what is in the Torah? ie. the old testament? the orginal word of God. and the new word. and yet you still refuse to beleive that they are any more or less correct than you. I choose not to beleive in it for a very specific reason: Confliction. there is too much of it in the scriptures. Just as well if you're too high and mighty to accept someone based on their friendliness, regardless of the ridiculousness contained, then are you not a bigot yourself?

you're right, it is, should've been hipacritical or however you spell that damn word. now please respond to it.

the war in heaven is not in the bible because it takes place eons before genesis. I'm surprised you don't know about it. It is when Lucifer and his Angels defy God with their freedom of thought. the story is entailed in Paradise Lost. I liked it, because it fits as an allegory for today's Government. if we do not think and just go along with it we are ok, but if we do think and reject, then we are cast out. i am not a fan of this christian idea. if we are given free thought then can God instead be blamed for what we do because he gave it to us. Legality claims that if you give someone a gun and they murder someone else with it, you are as guilty as they. So if God gives us the beautiful weapon of free thought and we use it for "evil" then It is as responsible for consequence. i would gladly throw that sociopath in jail.

you believe i am utterly intolerant of your race creed and opinions? i disagree, you, as well as all the people who comment on these forums, are someowhat more guilty than I. that is why i assume otherwise.

if it not a revision, then why is it called NEW? Jewish people were doing fine until Jesus came along.

Honestly I don't think Jesus would want to come back into this world. and even if he did, he would be thrown in the looney bin. hundreds of people claim to be him.

Hmm, you're right Back door Christians does sound like it would be for homosexuals. I'm gay that you would have something for them good for you guys!

It should be around page 651 or so. near where he dies, the part where he gathersw a group of people and leads them to take back the holy land.

Hebrew isn't dead, it is spoken by Jewish people even today. Latin is not dead either, it is used by many scientists and historians.

go outside the church you will find many groups.

Look. except for mormans, everyone uses the same KJV bible. everyone just interprets it differently. there are groups all around that claim you are wrong as i'm sure you would claim of them. don't say because they are, they can use that too.

Your kind is plenty good in certain aspects of societal use. helping me escape a fire thanks. trying to save my eternal soul, leave that to God himself, if he is as omnipotent and willing as you claim him to be, then i'll beleive.

yet all would claim hell is a real place, But we do not know the nature of hell, so who can say that it doesn't have layers, like onions, cakes, parfaits and ogres. (quote from shrek, it fits)

I do not rebel against God, i just choose to be a good person without his guidance. much like the government, there are laws i choose to obey and laws i do not find beneficial to soceity. for such i am an anarchist.

thankyou for repeating me, by saying no to fundamentalism, you in fact are saying no to Bigotry.




Just for the sake of argument... I would like to ask that whoever changed my posting name to Notrealist, i would like to rectify this by changing it back to Nihilrealist. It is not fair that you mock me as such. thankyou if it is corrected, if not. i have lost your reaspect and thusly my own shreds of respects for you.

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: I like your christ.

but how can you believe that judaism is wrong when you beleive most of what is in the Torah? ie. the old testament?

What we recognize as Judaism didn't get started until after Malachi's time, when the Maccabees introduced an extremely legalistic way of following the laws and invented a bunch of ways to stick to the letter of God's laws while flagrantly violating the spirit of the law. Why do you think the best lawyers today are Jewish?

Do you really think that King David walked around with the big ZZ-Top beard and the long stands of hair just above his ears?

I choose not to beleive in it for a very specific reason: Confliction. there is too much of it in the scriptures.

That's a lie. Name one contradiction in context in the King James Bible. You can't do it. It is only possible to invent contradictions by taking individual verses out of context.

you're right, it is, should've been hipacritical or however you spell that damn word. now please respond to it.

Please watch your temper.

Before I respond to it, I'll need you to tell me how it's hypocritical, because I don't see any hypocrisy in it. God can do whatever He wants, and He doesn't owe us any explanations.

the war in heaven is not in the bible because it takes place eons before genesis. I'm surprised you don't know about it. It is when Lucifer and his Angels defy God with their freedom of thought. the story is entailed in Paradise Lost.

OK, now explain to me why you think a Christan should accept that piece of fan fiction as scripture. Paradise Lost is only fan fiction, like Dante's Inferno.

i am not a fan of this christian idea.

Then why did you sign up and join a Christian forum? Oh wait, I remember, you are a hateful bigot who wants to persecute Christians for our beliefs.

So if God gives us the beautiful weapon of free thought and we use it for "evil" then It is as responsible for consequence.

So should we take automobiles away from everyone because some people drive drunk?

you believe i am utterly intolerant of your race creed and opinions? i disagree, you, as well as all the people who comment on these forums, are someowhat more guilty than I. that is why i assume otherwise.

You are obviously intolerant of us.

Jewish people were doing fine until Jesus came along.

No they weren't.

What's your problem with Jesus? Were you lying when named this thread?

Honestly I don't think Jesus would want to come back into this world. and even if he did, he would be thrown in the looney bin. hundreds of people claim to be him.

First one to raise someone from the dead gets out of the looney bin.

It should be around page 651 or so. near where he dies, the part where he gathersw a group of people and leads them to take back the holy land.

You'll have to do better than that, friend. The passages have chapter and verse numbers for a reason.

Hebrew isn't dead, it is spoken by Jewish people even today. Latin is not dead either, it is used by many scientists and historians.

Dead in the sense that no one spoke it as a native language. Of course there were scholars who could still use Hebrew, but no one used it for conversation.

go outside the church you will find many groups.

I will find many large groups of secular historians who can agree about the life and times of Jesus? I'm afraid I'm going to have to call your bluff and get you to point me towards such a group.

Look. except for mormans, everyone uses the same KJV bible. everyone just interprets it differently. there are groups all around that claim you are wrong as i'm sure you would claim of them. don't say because they are, they can use that too.

They can't say the same thing about us. We read the Word of God as plainly written. Everyone else looks for metaphors or simply ignores the parts they don't like. We follow every bit of the Bible.

yet all would claim hell is a real place, But we do not know the nature of hell, so who can say that it doesn't have layers, like onions, cakes, parfaits and ogres. (quote from shrek, it fits)

Yes, we do know what Hell is like. It is described in detail in the Bible.

I do not rebel against God, i just choose to be a good person without his guidance.

That IS rebelling against God.

much like the government, there are laws i choose to obey and laws i do not find beneficial to soceity. for such i am an anarchist.

No, you are simply a criminal. I'm hardly surprised.

thankyou for repeating me, by saying no to fundamentalism, you in fact are saying no to Bigotry.

So ALL fundamentalists are bigots? What a bigoted thing to say.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[NotRealist]

stop lying to yourself.

fine then. I can see that I have no chance of swaying any of your persistent blather about your polytheism. but i ask you this. Jesus, was born, raised, lived, died in Israel. how can you possibly conceive that he was blonde blue-eyed and had a six pack (most crucifixes feature that)? also, he was born a hebrew (or learned by his parents, w/e) and became christianity. how could he possibly be white for that matter? jesus wasn't black he was middle eastern!

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: stop lying to yourself.

fine then. I can see that I have no chance of swaying any of your persistent blather about your polytheism.

In other words, you have no answers to any of my questions. I didn't expect you to be able to answer them.

but i ask you this. Jesus, was born, raised, lived, died in Israel. how can you possibly conceive that he was blonde blue-eyed and had a six pack (most crucifixes feature that)? also, he was born a hebrew (or learned by his parents, w/e) and became christianity. how could he possibly be white for that matter? jesus wasn't black he was middle eastern!

Jesus wasn't an Arab -- he was half-Jewish on his mother's side, and Israelis are white.

You seem to have your races all mixed up. We have a thread here that should straighten you out.

Pastor Billy-Reuben