[Meek and Humble]

Re: I'm having a crisis of faith! Is Jesus really God???

Koine Greek did have a definite article, equivalent to English the, but no indefinite article, nothing equivalent to English a/ an. Who cares how Coptic manuscripts translate John 1:1? The KJV translates it the right way.

I'm not clicking on some link to something that's just full of heresy most likely!

If he didn't have a human body, how could Thomas have touched His wounds (Jn 20:27-28)?

That was for the benefit of Thomas, who had said He wouldn't believe until He saw and felt the wounds himself. In all other appearances Jesus made, nobody noticed gaping wounds in his hands that would have given away his true identity right away. Obviously, Jesus is able to change what his new spiritual body looks like.


(John 21:4) But when the morning was now come, Jesus stood on the shore: but the disciples knew not that it was Jesus.

The world will be destroyed with fire.

2 Pet 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
2 Pet 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

After this world is destroyed, we will get a new heaven and a new earth.

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

From the Watchtower I read, "The Bible also uses the term “day of judgment” to refer to the event that will bring the present system of things to its end. This day of judgment will come as suddenly as the Flood of Noah’s day, which swept away an entire wicked generation. Happily, the imminent destruction of “ungodly men” will clear the way for a new earthly society in which “righteousness is to dwell.”"

Really? Paul seemed to think that if he died, he would go to be with Christ, which he described as far better than living in the flesh.

Phil 1:21-24
21 For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain.
22 But if I live in the flesh, this is the fruit of my labour: yet what I shall choose I wot not.
23 For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better:
24 Nevertheless to abide in the flesh is more needful for you.

You can't just pull on quote of out context. Paul says he would like to leave the world, yes. But it's not saying when he dies his spirit will immediately go to heaven to be with Jesus.

Psalm 146:4 His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.

When he die, we have no more consciousness. On the last day however, God will resurrect us here on earth.

John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Acts 24:15 there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: I'm having a crisis of faith! Is Jesus really God???

[various gobbledygook excised] . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . oh, there's nothing left

As it happens I have a "new world" Greek testament open now. Strange they should call it New World if they think this one's never-ending.

Mr Pendergast referred to John 1 and it does tell us quite a lot about Jesus. He is God the Creator, He is the Word of instruction, the Logos of Accountability and is even referred to as being what we call Light.

WARNING I am going to quote from the New World 1942 edition. But first I need to edit my friends list .. .. .. .. .. ..

OK. John chapter 1 verse 4

..[NW Greek text, unaccented]


..[corrupt NW English rendition]
..John 1:4 In it was Life; and the LIFE was the LIGHT of MEN.

By their own standard then this "Life" is part of some depersonalised, mechanistic it. The "Light" no more than electromagnetic radiation we hear so much about from physics and oncology. According to these bizarre heresies Jesus brings melanoma, leukemia and death. Perhaps Jesus does not include the UV spectrum? Well if it is what men call light (and that text is reproduced exactly as in my NW, this is what they are saying) and light is electromagnetism then it [Jesus] must include all wavelengths, ultra-violet, infra-red, x-rays, ULF and yes I will back that up with a source [KJV, I think we've had enough NW for now]:

I John 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. KJV

NOT and in it is no darkness at all except at 10nm to 400nm so it does include ultra-violet their Jesus would give you cancer that is not the Jesus I know and love.

But there is more. Wave/particle duality in this warped reality admits the dual nature of Jesus. I must be mad to talk like this but physicists declare their "light" [the Logos of John 1] is at once two things BUT ne'er the twain shall meet. Indeterminacy determines that if they measure location they cannot measure wavelength and vice versa. This flies in the face of sound doctrine, the omnipresence of God, the veracity of His Inerrant Word and the ministry of The Holy Spirit. Upon their own petard these fools are hoist.

That is what happens when you depersonalise God, even His Belovèd Son, into the it of NW abomination. That is how we know The Trinity is real. That is how we know all Jehovah's Witnesses are going to hell.

Here is God's English rendition of the passage:

JOHN 1
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
KJV

Jesus is not confusion

[Jedediah]

Re: I'm having a crisis of faith! Is Jesus really God???

So to summarize..you follow the KJV Bible because you believe it is the most accurate available translation of the Bible from Hebrew texts?

The King James Authorized Version ©1611 is not only as good as the original Greek and Hebrew, it is better!

There are three "translations" spoken of in the Bible. In all three cases, the translation referred to is better than the original. Since we accept the Bible as our final authority in all matters of faith and practice, the Bible's "practice" will have more authority than any "mere human" opinion.

The first "translation" found in Scripture is found in II Samuel 3:7-10:

And Saul had a concubine, whose name was Rizpah, the daughter of Aiah: and Ishbosheth said to Abner, Wherefore hast thou gone in unto my father's concubine? Then was Abner very wroth for the words of Ishbosheth, and said, Am I a dog's head, which against Judah do shew kindness this day unto the house of Saul thy father, to his brethren, and to his friends, and have not delivered thee into the hand of David, that thou chargest me to day with a fault concerning this woman?
So do God to Abner, and more also, except, as the LORD hath sworn to David, even so I do to him;
To translate the kingdom from the house of Saul, and to set up the throne of David over Israel and over Judah, from Dan even to Beersheba.

After the death of King Saul in I Samuel 31, Abner, who had been the captain of Saul's army installed Ishbosheth as King instead of David (II Samuel 12:8,9). Later Ishbosheth and Abner had a falling out. Abner, in anger, announces to Ishbosheth that he is going to "translate" the Kingdom of Israel from Ishbosheth to David.

It is obvious by Abner's statement of II Samuel 3:9 that the LORD wanted David to be king over all twelve tribes of Israel. Therefore, the "translation" of the kingdom of Israel to David was BETTER than the "original" state which has a split kingdom with David rightly ruling over one portion and Ishbosheth wrongly ruling over the other section.

The second "translation" found in Scripture is found in Colossians 1:13:

Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Here the "translation" spoken of is the conversion of a lost sinner to a new life in Jesus Christ. No one in their right mind could even pretend that this translation is not a massive improvement over the "original" condition.

The third "translation" found in Scripture is found in Hebrews 11:5:

By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

The word "translate" only appears five times in scripture. Once in II Samuel, once in Colossians and the remaining three times here in Hebrews 11:5.

A Christian with even a shallow knowledge of the Bible is familiar with the story of Enoch from Genesis 5. Enoch walked with God and is known to have pleased God. He was a prophet (Judges 14) and a man of faith. God saw fit to physically take Enoch to Heaven so that he would not have to experience death. This individual action is a miniature version of what Christians call "The Rapture," mentioned in I Corinthians 15, I Thessalonians 4, Titus 2 and various other places in the Bible. Since the word "Rapture" appears nowhere in Scripture, a more proper name for this future occurrence might be "The Blessed Hope" (Titus) or "The Catching Up" (I Thessalonians) of "Our Translation" (Hebrews).

It is obvious that Enoch's translation was an improvement over his original condition.

Thus we see that every "translation" in our final authority on all matters is an improvement over the original.

If you are a simple Bible believer you will have no trouble accepting this. If you worship education or just hate to be wrong, you will reject this Bible Fact as easily as you have rejected every Bible Fact that you couldn't agree with.

Now which will you follow son, the Bible or men?

[Pim Pendergast]

Re: I'm having a crisis of faith! Is Jesus really God???

The King James Bible is MISTRANSLATED. John 1:1 should read, In [the] beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.

The Greek language doesn't have a definite article distinguishing a and the. However, we can know get a glimpse at what the earliest Witnesses of Jehovah believed from the 3rd century translation of the Bible into the Coptic language. Coptic does have definite articles, and it uses "the Word was a god". There is historical precedent for this!

Koine Greek did have a definite article, equivalent to English the, but no indefinite article, nothing equivalent to English a/ an. Who cares how Coptic manuscripts translate John 1:1? The KJV translates it the right way.

When he "resurrected" he returned to His SPIRITUAL form, not a human body.

If he didn't have a human body, how could Thomas have touched His wounds (Jn 20:27-28)?

[COLOR=Black]And all this nonsense you people go on about, the end of the world, our souls going to heaven when we die. Just WHAT are you going on about and WHERE is it in the Bible. The Bible says the world will NEVER end!

The world will be destroyed with fire.

2 Pet 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
2 Pet 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

After this world is destroyed, we will get a new heaven and a new earth.

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

When we die the first time, we are dead, that's it. Jesus Himself said death is like sleep.

Really? Paul seemed to think that if he died, he would go to be with Christ, which he described as far better than living in the flesh.

Phil 1:21-24
21 For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain.
22 But if I live in the flesh, this is the fruit of my labour: yet what I shall choose I wot not.
23 For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better:
24 Nevertheless to abide in the flesh is more needful for you.

[Dr. Isaiah Jones]

Re: I'm having a crisis of faith! Is Jesus really God???

So to summarize..you follow the KJV Bible because you believe it is the most accurate available translation of the Bible from Hebrew texts?

The KJV1611 has been accepted as the most accurate version ever since it was released in 1611. Why do you hate Jesus so much? Do you enjoy being an online bigot?

[Tool of satan]

Re: I'm having a crisis of faith! Is Jesus really God???

Please see my sermon on the subject HERE.

Many men have become Saved© just by reading that sermon. I'll be Praying for you.

So to summarize..you follow the KJV Bible because you believe it is the most accurate available translation of the Bible from Hebrew texts?

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: I'm having a crisis of faith! Is Jesus really God???

Anyways, I have a question.
How do you know the KJV 1611 version of the Bible is the correct version?
I'm sure other versions of the Bible also state that they're the Word of God, why did you choose this version?

Please see my sermon on the subject HERE.

Many men have become Saved(c) just by reading that sermon. I'll be Praying for you.

[Tool of satan]

Re: I'm having a crisis of faith! Is Jesus really God???

Does Pastor Ezekiel have time to reach up a man's rectum to his elbow and rip out demon by the tail? Always.

A strange way to get rid of the devil from people who apparently hate homosexuality.

Anyways, I have a question.
How do you know the KJV 1611 version of the Bible is the correct version?
I'm sure other versions of the Bible also state that they're the Word of God, why did you choose this version?

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: I'm having a crisis of faith! Is Jesus really God???

By that "logic" Catholics would be the most faithful of all!

What you need to know is that the most faithful are those who have been selected to be allowed into heaven to rule alongside Jesus over the eternal Kingdom He will establish on earth.

Daniel 7:27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

Isaiah 11:9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea.


And this all happens at the end of the world when we are resurrected. When we die the first time, we are dead, that's it.

Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

Genesis 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

Jesus Himself said death is like sleep. John 11:11 Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.

You do know that you won't be able to have a blood transfusion, don't you?

YIC

[Meek and Humble]

Re: I'm having a crisis of faith! Is Jesus really God???

Don't you think it requires even more faith to believe a document that is proven to be a mistranslation, than to believe a more accurate version? So why would God let His most faithful be tricked by Lucifer?

By that "logic" Catholics would be the most faithful of all!

What you need to know is that the most faithful are those who have been selected to be allowed into heaven to rule alongside Jesus over the eternal Kingdom He will establish on earth.

Daniel 7:27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

Isaiah 11:9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea.


And this all happens at the end of the world when we are resurrected. When we die the first time, we are dead, that's it.

Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

Genesis 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

Jesus Himself said death is like sleep. John 11:11 Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: I'm having a crisis of faith! Is Jesus really God???

I fear this might be a case of Satanic possession of a dear Christian brother. Does Pastor Zeke have any time for exorcism?

Does Pastor Ezekiel have time to reach up a man's rectum to his elbow and rip out demon by the tail? Always.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: I'm having a crisis of faith! Is Jesus really God???

That's just it Jenkins, I don't think Landover or any "Christians" actually are following the words of God! And it's clear just about the only intellectually honest translation out there is the NWT.

I know Jehovah will defeat Satan, and leave a perfect earth for the faithful to live on forever.

Isaiah 25:8 He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord God will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the Lord hath spoken it.

Psalm 37:29 The righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell therein for ever.

Don't you think it requires even more faith to believe a document that is proven to be a mistranslation, than to believe a more accurate version? So why would God let His most faithful be tricked by Lucifer?

[Meek and Humble]

Re: I'm having a crisis of faith! Is Jesus really God???

That's just it Jenkins, I don't think Landover or any "Christians" actually are following the words of God! And it's clear just about the only intellectually honest translation out there is the NWT.

I know Jehovah will defeat Satan, and leave a perfect earth for the faithful to live on forever.

Isaiah 25:8 He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord God will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the Lord hath spoken it.

Psalm 37:29 The righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell therein for ever.

[Bjorn Jensen]

Re: I'm having a crisis of faith! Is Jesus really God???

I fear this might be a case of Satanic possession of a dear Christian brother. Does Pastor Zeke have any time for exorcism?

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: I'm having a crisis of faith! Is Jesus really God???

Why do I hate Jesus? Why do YOU hate Jehovah?! You are the one who has been deceived by the lie started by 4th century Catholics! Besides, the Bible doesn't mention eternal damnation anyway. I'll pray for you!!!

The King James Bible is MISTRANSLATED. John 1:1 should read, In [the] beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.

The Greek language doesn't have a definite article distinguishing a and the. However, we can know get a glimpse at what the earliest Witnesses of Jehovah believed from the 3rd century translation of the Bible into the Coptic language. Coptic does have definite articles, and it uses "the Word was a god". There is historical precedent for this!!!

So is Jesus? Clearly he is a SPIRITUAL BEING who has existed with God in heaven since the beginning of time. When he "resurrected" he returned to His SPIRITUAL form, not a human body.

1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

And all this nonsense you people go on about, the end of the world, our souls going to heaven when we die. Just WHAT are you going on about and WHERE is it in the Bible. The Bible says the world will NEVER end!

Psalm 37:9 For evildoers shall be cut off: but those that wait upon the Lord, they shall inherit the earth.

My dear sweet ex-brother in Christ, are you suggesting that Satan has defied God and ensured that those who adhere to His published word will burn in Hell? This would mean Satan defeated God. Are you a Satanist?