[agnesaliencat]

Re: Manchester BOMBING - sickening

It's also relevant to Jesus. Also, if you're prepared to tell others what to think, then you're prepared to have others do the same to you. That goes for everybody.

[Didymus Much]

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It's also relevant to Jesus...

When He throws your rebellious behind into Hell (as the Bible says He will).

...Also, if you're prepared to tell others what to think, then you're prepared to have others do the same to you. That goes for everybody.

Sure, if they go to YOUR forum, that you paid good money to set up and keep running. <--- subtle hint included in there somewhere

Otherwise, not so much.

[agnesaliencat]

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^ Actually, that goes for all forums. Also, who says I'm gonna be the one burning in hell? Asking that because I (simply put) am gonna be nowhere near the fire when I get there (or, if I am, then it's gonna be to put the shackles on people who refuse to acknowledge the fact that the world doesn't revolve around their beliefs).

[Roland]

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Actually, my opinion is relevant. Also, I don't say who is good or evil, [...]

You still haven´t defined what you consider evil, and more important: what not.

[Didymus Much]

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^ Actually, that goes for all forums...

How does that work? Do you really think you have a right to free speech here?

...Also, who says I'm gonna be the one burning in hell?...

Um, Jesus (in the Bible). You really should read it sometime.

...rest of the shit pulled from poster's ass deleted...

Too stupid to respond to.

[agnesaliencat]

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^^


Why should I define my beliefs when those who try to force their beliefs down my throat don't even bother to do it themselves?


^

I have his seal of approval, because unlike half of the people here, I was brought up to accept even anti-gay opinions, and I was raised to not be a hypocrite when it comes to beliefs. I also believe in the judge not lest ye be judged, and if people judge me just because I'm an Agnostic Asexual who doesn't want to get married etc, then I'm going to judge them back (whether they like it or not), because I'm nobody's property but my own, and if people don't like that, then maybe they should take a long look in the mirror (as the problem will be staring right back at them). Oh, and did I mention that I also got blessed by a priest when I was younger? Shame it wasn't a full-on baptism, because funnily enough, some of what I believe does come from God's bumper book of comedy (such as the fact that you should pay charity to those who have less, and that it could theoretically be possible to bring the dead back to life at some point in the future, plus many other things).

[Roland]

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^^
Why should I define my beliefs when those who try to force their beliefs down my throat don't even bother to do it themselves?[...]

Hello Agnes,

I did not ask you to define your believes, I asked you to define as evil and what you do not define as evil. For example, how do you feel about this: "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing.¨

Do you define this as evil or not?

[agnesaliencat]

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Still love you guys, by the way, and what you say doesn't offend me (I refuse to give myself the right to be offended). I also believe that your version of God and Jesus could exist, and my goal in life is not to scare people away, but to make people realise that fighting fire with fire isn't going to do anything. Unfortunately, I see a lot of that happening (from all sides), and it gets up my nerves to the point where I will actively make myself look like an absolute tw@ just so those who like to fight fire with fire get a taste of their own medicine (hence why I've had you guys calling me nasty etc). What I said in the last few lines of my above reply still stands, though, and before people say that I'm afraid of having sex/children, I will tell you that I'm actually not, as I think about stuff like that quite a lot, but it's strictly for story writing (as I'm not going to do it in real-life).

[agnesaliencat]

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Hello Agnes,

I did not ask you to define your believes, I asked you to define as evil and what you do not define as evil. For example, how do you feel about this: "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing.¨

Do you define this as evil or not?

No worries, mate. I do define that as evil, but then again, all religions have their good bits and their bad bits (including the version of Christianity that is seen on this forum). Another thing that I define as evil is the response that some people had to the attacks, as burning down a place of worship just because of one person's stupid decision is just as evil as the act that that person committed. What I don't define as evil is people of all religions coming together and putting aside their beliefs in order to help each other out.

[Roland]

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No worries, mate. I do define that as evil,[...]

Great, at least we have established that you regard islam as evil

but then again, all religions have their good bits and their bad bits (including the version of Christianity that is seen on this forum).[...]

And now we have established you regard christianity as evil too, you are doing great.

Another thing that I define as evil is the response that some people had to the attacks, as burning down a place of worship just because of one person's stupid decision is just as evil as the act that that person committed. [...]

What are you referring to? Even for a straw man this is a poor attempt.

What I don't define as evil is people of all religions coming together and putting aside their beliefs in order to help each other out.

And your last sentence is the bullshit we expect from empty vats.

Roland

[Didymus Much]

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...I have his seal of approval, because unlike half of the people here, I was brought up to accept even anti-gay* opinions...

*I'm going to assume that you meant pro-gay opinions (otherwise your post makes no sense at all), so going from that...

But God in the Bible doesn't. So by disagreeing with Him, how do you think that gets His approval?

Are you listening to what God says in the Bible, or the little voice that only exists between your own ears?

...your version of God and Jesus...

...the version of Christianity that is seen on this forum...

Except, that is the ONLY version of Christianity for which any evidence exists. Refute it, and what do you have left? Your own feelings. Guess what you're worshiping?

By identifying as "Christian" (even though you're not, see Matthew 7:21), you support these people and their views.

[agnesaliencat]

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Great, at least we have established that you regard islam as evil And now we have established you regard christianity as evil too, you are doing great. What are you referring to? Even for a straw man this is a poor attempt.And your last sentence is the bullshit we expect from empty vats.

Roland

I don't, but I do regard certain things as evil. Like I said, there is both good and bad in every religion. Also doesn't matter if people think that what I say in regards to myself is bullshit, as I only talk the truth when I talk about myself. Also, the arena that got attacked, I have been to a couple of times (last time was 2012), and terrorism in any form is wrong (regardless of where it comes from).

What these people also don't know is that I was born into a rather dysfunctional family, and I have an uncle and cousins who don't even know that I exist. Was my uncle's own fault, though, as he did some stupid stuff which landed him in prison multiple times, and that included conspiring to commit an act of terrorism. I was also born out of wedlock (my parents never got married), and I didn't even know what atheism and agnosticism were until about 2008.

[agnesaliencat]

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*I'm going to assume that you meant pro-gay opinions (otherwise your post makes no sense at all), so going from that...

But God in the Bible doesn't. So by disagreeing with Him, how do you think that gets His approval?

Are you listening to what God says in the Bible, or the little voice that only exists between your own ears?





Except, that is the ONLY version of Christianity for which any evidence exists. Refute it, and what do you have left? Your own feelings. Guess what you're worshiping?

By identifying as "Christian" (even though you're not, see Matthew 7:21), you support these people and their views.

Because nobody knows the absolute truth. Also, that bit where I said that I have his seal of approval isn't to do with being pro-gay, as I am pro-freedom of opinion, and that includes being both pro-LGBT and pro-heterosexuality. I am also pro-freedom of religion, and don't worry about calling me a Satanist etc, as I've heard all of that before, and the only time I will ever fight back in that department is if somebody tries to make their particular religion etc look bad (and that includes the LGBT community, as I've seen a few anti-cisgender videos, and I - a non-cisgender Agnostic Theist - want to fling a Bible etc right in their faces, to show them that bigotry in any form is wrong).

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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Because nobody knows the absolute truth.

Jesus does and He speaks to us.

Also, that bit where I said that I have his seal of approval isn't to do with being pro-gay, as I am pro-freedom of opinion, and that includes being both pro-LGBT and pro-heterosexuality.

Does it also include racism and anti-gay, anti LGTB?

I am also pro-freedom of religion,

I don't think you are - I think you are in favour of people saying God told them to do something, or claiming they know what God means.

the only time I will ever fight back in that department is if somebody tries to make their particular religion etc look bad

"Their particular religion? You think that you can make religion up? You think that you can spout any nonsense and if you end it with "becasue my god says so", then it's OK?

to show them that bigotry in any form is wrong).

Just a minute... Are you accusing Jesus of being a bigot? I tell you He and God won't like that.

Remember the story of the "Good Samaritan"? Remember why a Samaritan was chosen - Jesus chose him because everyone, including Jesus knew that Samaritans were utter bastards.

Remember the Moabites and the Amalkelites and a whole slew of other "-ites" whom God order to be destroyed?

Is that bigotry or racism?

Do you recall any of Leviticus in which gays are damned?
Do you remember Sodom and Gomorrah where queers reigned and the place was destroyed?

Are you being a bigot by arguing with us, and thus arguing with God?

[agnesaliencat]

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Jesus does and He speaks to us.
Does it also include racism and anti-gay, anti LGTB?
I don't think you are - I think you are in favour of people saying God told them to do something, or claiming they know what God means."Their particular religion? You think that you can make religion up? You think that you can spout any nonsense and if you end it with "becasue my god says so", then it's OK?Just a minute... Are you accusing Jesus of being a bigot? I tell you He and God won't like that.

Remember the story of the "Good Samaritan"? Remember why a Samaritan was chosen - Jesus chose him because everyone, including Jesus knew that Samaritans were utter bastards.

Remember the Moabites and the Amalkelites and a whole slew of other "-ites" whom God order to be destroyed?

Is that bigotry or racism?

Do you recall any of Leviticus in which gays are damned?
Do you remember Sodom and Gomorrah where queers reigned and the place was destroyed?

Are you being a bigot by arguing with us, and thus arguing with God?

Jesus was anti-racism, and so am I. He also wasn't white (he was Middle Eastern), and no, I'm not being a bigot, because I do not claim to be superior or inferior to anybody (and neither should you). Your opinion on LGBT people is one that you have the right to have, and I am not offended if people call me the word that rhymes with maggot. Also, the definition of "bigot" is somebody who spews out hate and claims that they are full of love, whereas I look at the argument from both ends and try any tactic possible to force the other person to see that what they are saying is going to get them into trouble (even if that means putting words into their mouth, which I will do if all other options have failed).

In other words...

I couldn't give a naff about what people believe in, as long as they don't force their beliefs on others. Also, being pro-heterosexuality doesn't mean being anti-gay, as what 2 consenting adults do to each other behind their own closed doors is not my business, and if they love each other, then that's all that matters to me.